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ViewSonic VP2290b Super High-Res Monitor

Svenne writes "Ok, TrustedReviews have put up a review of the amazing ViewSonic VP2290b TFT display which has a massive 9.2Mpixel resolution. Check it out here. I'll take two ;-)" Pricewatch lists vendors selling this monitor starting at a bit more than $6,000 -- video card is extra.

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  1. Toys for the rich by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Interesting
    At $6000, what a deal. Just hook that baby up with your Blue Light Special and you'll rule your block with an iron fist.

    Now, if there were only something worth watching on TV... Oh, the TdF is coming up, but usually the resolution is on par with VHS, unless they do something vastly different this year.

    I'm still happy with my 1.3 megapixel 500:1 contrast 17" LCD. Anything wider and I get some weird feeling my head needs to be stretched. Has anyone else noticed something like that? There was something about a big convex display that didn't cause that sort of sensation.

    And that 3840x2400 resolution should give your graphics card a workout trying to render your FPS games at biggie frame rates. At what pixel density do you fail to notice a difference in image quality, anyway? I turned on one pixel on my monitor and can hardly even see it!

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    1. Re:Toys for the rich by Noose+For+A+Neck · · Score: 5, Funny
      You find anything wider than a 17" display too wide to comfortably view all at once?

      Perhaps you should view your monitor for farther away than 3 inches.

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    2. Re:Toys for the rich by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It always works this way...

      Those who need never get what those without need recieve...

      We've got sysadmins around here working on 450mhz p2 systems while there are VPs on their 3rd new laptop this year...

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    3. Re:Toys for the rich by X_Caffeine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FPS's? TV? dude: this display isn't made for you.

      Read the Viewsonic product page: ideal for satellite imaging and digital content creation. Says nothing about a playable framerate (with a friggin Matrox Parhelia!) or watching bootleg anime DiVX movies.

      This is a problem common to Slashdot readers -- "if it doesn't work for me, it's obviously not good for anybody."

      P.S. after a year on a 23" CRT I can't imagine downgrading to anything less; a friend of mine uses two of them!

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    4. Re:Toys for the rich by chefmonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting
      At what pixel density do you fail to notice a difference in image quality, anyway?

      The number that I've found is that the resolution of a human eye (for an individual with 20/20 vision) is about 60 pixels per degree, or about 140 pixels per inch for a screen 2 feet away from your eyes. (Reference: buried in this article. So, thinking about your 17" monitor: 17" diagonal with a 4:3 width-to-height ratio... oh, that's a 3-4-5 triangle. Never noticed that before. Anyway, that's 13.6 inches across, or 94 pixels per inch. So, you'd need to either sit further away than 2 feet for the monitor to exceed the average human eye resolution. On the other hand, if you could run it at 1904x1428 (not exactly a standard resolution, but still...) then you'd be there.

      Working out the numbers for the megamonitor is left as an excercise for the reader, once the site that lists specs recovers from the slashdotting.

    5. Re:Toys for the rich by ryanvm · · Score: 4, Funny

      After a year on a 23" CRT I can't imagine downgrading to anything less; a friend of mine uses two of them!

      Guys, I wouldn't recommend doing that. Look what it's done to
      his friend.

    6. Re:Toys for the rich by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's an insight into the behaviour of people in general. Who actually buys "good enough"? If you do, you find in about 3 years time that it isn't. It was only good enough for then, but eveything else moved on.

      Maybe you've just been lucky or are choosing to ignore it, but what he mentioned does happen quite often, actually.

      One good example would be the constant disbelief by many Linux zealots here that there's any reason to use Windows, forgetting the whole gaming aspect.

      Or maybe when a new version of KDE or something comes out, and the whining begins about how there's too much eye candy, everyone should just stick to bare-bones or the command line, etc.

      Heck, just read the comments on the recent story about standardized plugins - more than a few "I don't want any animation or rich content, therefore this project is a waste of time" comments from more people that can't understand why anyone would want more than a simple and/or bare-bones experience.

    7. Re:Toys for the rich by dasmegabyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds like your company sucks balls. Here, the developers get new top of the line machines every two years, at which point their old machines trickle down to the QA team, whose machines trickle down to the frontline support staff.

      Or maybe you just don't understand what the "needs" are. As a sysadmin, you don't really have to do any heavy duty processing on your machine, nor is your work going to get completed any faster if you do so. Now, at our company the sales staff get new machines at the same time as the developers, because we want them to put the best face forward at conferences and such. Also, sometimes we, uh, don't optimize a product before they show it off, and they're running both the client and server software on the same machine. If your VPs do a lot of selling, they may get new laptops every few months to show how cutting edge you are. Call it a waste if you must, but their laptops are trickling down fairly quickly to the general populous, and they're serving a somewhat legitimate use before hand.

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    8. Re:Toys for the rich by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the article:
      ...in the VP2290b?s case this comes in at 50ms (25ms rise, 25ms fall).
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    9. Re:Toys for the rich by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I think is appalling is the assumption that because a person does not personally need a thing, that it is unneccessary and worthy of contempt. Come on, you guys -- you don't REALLY think that the whole of the economy is built around your personal needs, do you?

      I mean, as a man, I personally have no use for tampons, but I can understand where some people might find them rather helpful.

      Incidentally, an 8 megapixel display would be very useful for those of us who like digital photography. Right now, I have a choice of seeing my shots at actual resolution, or being able to see the whole shot. A monitor like this would make it much easier, and much faster, to detect things like distracting moire effects, JPEG noise and spot blemishes.

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  2. Product link by Karamchand · · Score: 5, Informative

    ViewSonic's Product Info about the VP2290b.

  3. Tell me by harley_frog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why should I shell out money for a monitor that costs more than my Harley?

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    1. Re:Tell me by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because LCD panels don't kill you when your machine crashes.

  4. for that price by bunburyist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For that price you can get several decent quality LCD TFT monitors and a Dual-view Nvidia card going, which is pretty nice. Movies on one screen and work on the other ;). Linux support is sketchy for dual-view in my experience, but it'd probably work if you follow the instructions! either way, this is likely only cool if you're doing some sort of digital photo/movie editing.

    1. Re:for that price by j-turkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      All i do is write perl scripts, jerk off, and read slashdot, why should I buy this? ;P

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  5. Viewsonic support sucks by cloudmaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Better hope you don't need to make a warranty claim on that - it'll take weeks to get your monitor back (they don't cross-ship big monitors), and they'll promise you'll get a new replacement *this* time but send another refurb that'll blow up within a few months, *again*. Not that I'm bitter or anything... :)

  6. Definitely cool ... but not too practical by daviddennis · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reviewer noted that text was too small to read, and you would have to use another monitor for pallettes and the like. I would think that would be a little clumsy - I know I feel that way with my current dual monitor setup (one 23" Cinema Display, one NEC 17" LCD). I would think you could increase the size of the text - I know that's pretty easy with MacOS X since icons and so on are designed to size proportionately.

    It needs the same two DVI channels as the new Apple Cinema Display 30" but it's much higher resolution. The higher refresh rate of the 30" should make that the sounder buy for people like me who are more interested in video than image editing. That makes this an awfully specialized tool even for those who have the bucks.

    Still, being able to see an entire image at full resolution on a screen is quite the cool trick. I'd be envious of its owner but wouldn't buy it for myself - and I will buy the 30" Cinema Display once my finances are in better shape.

    D

    1. Re:Definitely cool ... but not too practical by notsoclever · · Score: 4, Informative
      I know that's pretty easy with MacOS X since icons and so on are designed to size proportionately.
      Unfortunately, that's a myth. OSX does not use vector graphics for the UI itself, and the various UI elements are definitely pixel-based, even icons they're provided in a number of resolutions all the way up to 128x128, giving them the illusion of being scalable, which can be used for some cute tricks like having an icon which actually changes to different images based on how large it is. But icons are basically just MIPmapped polygons, and that's as close as anything in the OSX UI gets to DPI-independence.

      Also, there's no built-in way to change the system font sizes, and using things like TinkerTool to do it can mess things up (since pretty much all of the UI elements are fixed pixel-size still).

      To make matters worse, for the few things which are DPI-aware (such as viewing PDFs in Preview.app, and for display-oriented font sizing and so on), there's no way to actually specify your display's DPI OSX insists that all monitors are 72dpi (the old Mac standard) even though pretty much every Apple display sold today is around 100dpi (the only exception being the 14" iBook which is still around 72dpi), so when it tries to display things at "actual size" they're actually shrunk down quite a bit.

      With the way that Cocoa works, they could conceivably make the UI truly DPI-independent in the future, but AFAICT Carbon is a lost cause.

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  7. High quality 3D displays by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I hope they combine this technology with 3D displays. The main concern with the glass-less Sharp 3D display is that the resolution reduces by half in 3D mode, because only half the total pixels are viewed by each eye.

    With 9Mpixels at their disposal, they could develop some very high quality 3D displays. Ofcourse, the total number of pixels is an arbitrary measure without mention of the display size. If they're spread over a large area, resolution will still remain low (and no, I couldn't RTFA though I wanted to).

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  8. dead pixel warranty? by rexguo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At 9.2M pixels, what are the chances of dead pixels? How do I even spot one??

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  9. Pricewatch by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny
    I notice one Pricewatch vendor is offering these for $10*





    *$5990 s/h charge applies.
  10. Comparison to Apple by mblase · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The 30" monitor Apple announced the other day measures 2560x1600 pixels, which comes to 4.1 megapixel resolution -- although it does require a graphics card with two ports, so connecting two such monitors gives you an ultra-widescreen 8.2 MP display.

    ViewSonic's specs says theirs offers 3840x2400 pixels, quite a bit higher than Apple's -- but it's only 22.2" diagonal compared to Apple's 30". Whether higher resolution or larger workspace is more important depends on the individual, of course, but I personally would prefer fewer pixels in a larger screen -- that kind of ultra-high-density DPI isn't the sort of thing I can imagine needing if I were a graphics pro.

  11. No improvement by fijimf · · Score: 5, Funny


    I checked out the screen shots, and they didn't look any better than my current display.

  12. You'll know its time to upgrade… by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when the number of dead pixels allowed by the new display's warranty approaches the total number of pixels in your current display.

  13. VGA, SVGA, XGA, ... by bfields · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "QUXGA-W"? Who comes up with these names? I mean, is there really anyone for whom that makes more sense than just "3840x2400"? --Bruce Fields

    1. Re:VGA, SVGA, XGA, ... by devnull17 · · Score: 4, Informative

      XGA is 1024x768. It's pretty much standard on (lower-end) laptops these days (and probably desktops, too, for that matter).

      Ultra XGA, or UXGA, is 1600x1200. That's about as good as consumer-level equipment gets at the moment.

      Then there's Wide Ultra XGA, or UXGA-W (although I usually see it written as "WUXGA"). Essentially the same as UXGA, but with a wider aspect ratio (1920x1200).

      The "Q" most likely stands for "quad."

      So yeah, it does make a little sense. That being said, if I mention this to someone, I'll probably go with "3840x2400," myself.

  14. Re:No thanks by protohiro1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Specialized usage. It is not priced for consumers. This is probably going to be marketed to the medical field, where very high resolution monitors are very useful for view medical imaging. In fact, the low resolution of most LCDs is what is preventing hospitals from switching to an all digital solution for xRays. Your 10 17" LCD solution would not be useful in a hospital setting (or for view satallite images or any number of other special usage).

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  15. Towel by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So if you can't spot a dead pixel it's a problem because...?

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  16. Monitor Issues by karniv0re · · Score: 4, Funny

    Their website must be made to only be viewed on their moniter, because I'm not seeing anything on mine.

  17. Higher Resolution than Reality by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally monitors have higher resolution than reality. As we all know, reality is only 8 megapixels. I think that's worth a measly 6 grand...

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  18. Monitors exceeding software limitations by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We are quickly reaching the point where the resolution of the display is going to experience bottlenecks from other components.

    1) LCD panels with high resolutions (>1600x1200) need 2 or more DVI connectors. Yuck!

    Programmers need to be aware of these or their applications will not function in the near future.

    2) Many software assumes a specific DPI
    A program that is meant to run at 1024x768 at 96dpi will look like a postage stamp when you get a 300dpi display device (coming soon). A 16x16 icon will be the width of a human hair. Software needs to know that pixels aren't a valid measurement -- You need pixels and DPI.

    Mac's got this right from the start. Applications don't display based on RESOLUTION, they use the monitor's SIZE. From there, you can increase or decrease the zoom level (by changing the resolution). PC users scoffed at this, but they will be the ones needing a magnifying glass to use their applications.

    3) Much software assumes a specific aspect ratio (4:3 and square pixels)
    Open up Microsoft Word or Photoshop or Paint and draw a circle. It assumes a circle is the same number of pixels wide as it is tall. Well, that's great if your display has square pixels. That wasn't true at the old 320x200 or 640x400 resolutions of the old days. It has been a safe assumption for about 10 years now, but it isn't always true anymore. For example, if you use an LCD with a 5:4 aspect ratio (like 1200x1024) but run it in a 4:3 resolution (like 1024x768) things will be squished.

    (I find it amusing when someone tells me how great a DVD looks on their LCD display, when Windows Media Player is stretching the image to the wrong size because it places black-bars on a screen that doesn't need them).

  19. Not new, not the only 9MP one either... by csirac · · Score: 4, Informative

    The IBM T221 has a resolution of 3840x2400 in 22.2".

    Whilst its RRP from IBM is $8,399 USD you can find some resellers advertising them for $3,999 USD on froogle such as this.

    The Iiyama AQU5611DTBK is also a 22" 9.2 Megapixel device.

    You need two DVI cables to run these things at a decent screen update rate (no screen flicker, it just takes lots of digital bandwidth to pump that many pixels) when using all those pixels. The cards required are around $1,000 and I've seen Matrox and Nvidia configurations mentioned with the IBM display, though I'm sure ATI's FireGL cards could do the job, software willing.

    So, are we going to get a news post about the IBM and Iiyama displays too?

    Check this article which talks about the Matrox Parhelia 256HR for use with all three. It's from September 2003.

  20. Re:Viewsonic by W2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's news to me. I'm not a Viewsonic owner, but I was under the impression that Viewsonic bought out Nokia's computer display segment. Nokia's monitors were always awesome (I own a 446XS, best CRT I ever used) so I would expect Viewsonic's monitors to be among the best, as well.

    Do you have any actual evidence, even subjective (links?) to back up your statement that Viewsonic monitors are bad?

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  21. Here's what I want... by bgarcia · · Score: 3, Interesting
    At 204 pixels per inch this display has pretty much matched the quality you'd expect from a standard photographic print viewed at normal distances.
    Ok LCD monitor manufacturers, here's what I want:

    A 10 inch monitor with this pixel density.

    I don't care so much about have a big monitor. What I really want are lots of pixels. A 10" monitor with 200ppi would give me a 1600x1200 display! I would be very happy to have this in a nice, compact laptop! Or even as a desktop display!

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  22. We have a few of these... except... by GC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    they're called IBM T221's, and we've had them for about 2 years now.

    These are probably re-badged, re-assembled models of exactly the same technology.

    Incredibly though, I think the IBM T221's are cheaper...