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China Deploys IPv9 Network

jeber writes "At the New Generation Internet Ten-Digit Network Industrialization & Development Seminar held on June 25th at Zhejiang University, it was announced that China's Internet technology, IPv9, had been formally adapted and popularized into the civil and commercial sectors. Based on a ten-digit computing method, IPv9 has its own address protocol, nameplate protocol, transitional protocol, and digital domain name regulations and standards as stated by Mr. Xie Jianping, founder of the IPv9 protocol and leader of the Ten-Digit Network Technology Standard Team. Along with being compatible with IPv4 and IPv6, IPv9 can also realize logistic separations between them and safely control them. On small-scale trials in Shanghai's Changing and Jinshan Districts, IPv9 technology has proven stable and safe."

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  1. RFC by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 5, Informative
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  2. Re:Obligatory Great Firewall of China reference by gilroy · · Score: 2, Informative
    Blockquoth the poster:

    I guess the Chinese Government doesn't want that sort of thing happening in Shanghai or Beijing, and turning their back on the rest of the world may look like a good way to maintain the status quo.

    Well, they've done it before. Remember that the Portugese sailing east bumped into Chinese traders working their way westward ... then the emperor died and the fleets were burned.
  3. Re:Obligatory Great Firewall of China reference by BWS · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're right, but there is confusion between "Hong Kong" and "Hong Kong the Island" and that's where you're getting stuck. "Hong Kong the Island" was permantly given to the British and the origional treaty never had any stipulations about return to China. But what you don't mention and is the important thing is "Kwoloon". Kwoloon is a penisula (sp?) which is part of China given to the British after the Boxer Rebellion in 1898 for 99 years.

    When people refer to "Hong Kong" now they refer to "Hong Kong Island", "Kwoloon", and a bunch of much smaller island. The vast majority of the population live in "Hong Kong Island" and "Kwoloon", with less then 5% living in the smaller island.

    By treaty stipulations, again which China still claims were forced upon them, Kwoloon was to be returned to China in 1997. If the British just return "Kwoloon" as by treaty and kept "Hong Kong Island", it would be totaly redilicious. It would be like diving London into two pieces and saying this half now belong to France and you need a visa to cross between them.

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  4. Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    China's New Generation Of Ipv9 Network Technology Ready
    July 2, 2004

    At the New Generation Internet Ten-Digit Network Industrialization & Development Seminar held on June 25th at Zhejiang University, it was announced that China's Internet technology, IPv9, had been formally adapted and popularized into the civil and commercial sectors.

    After ten years of research and development, IPv9 will be used on projects with the National Safety Defense System, National Digital TV Network, IPv9 network experimental programs and many other organizations.

    Based on a ten-digit computing method, IPv9 has its own address protocol, nameplate protocol, transitional protocol, and digital domain name regulations and standards as stated by Mr. Xie Jianping, founder of the IPv9 protocol and leader of the Ten-Digit Network Technology Standard Team. Along with being compatible with IPv4 and IPv6, IPv9 can also realize logistic separations between them and safely control them. On small-scale trials in Shanghai's Changing and Jinshan Districts, IPv9 technology has proven stable and safe.

    IPv9 consists of three sets of root domain name servers and two sets of hard-connect servers. The two sets of domain name parsing servers each have a parsing capacity of three million users and fifty percent simultaneously. Digital domain name parsing servers, English domain name parsing servers, Chinese domain name parsing servers, IP address primal allotment server, DHCP server, IPv4/IPv9 duel-used 1000M routers, 1000M channel router, IPv4/IPv9 address switching server, crystal circuit transmitter and crystal circuit light routers have been applied to IPv9 protocol demonstrative projects.

    So far, China is the only country in the world that has consolidated domain names, IP addresses and MAC addresses into ten-digit text files. China and the United States are currently the only two countries that possess root domain name analysis servers, IP address servers, independent domain names, IP addresses and MAC address sources. Shanghai Jiuyao Digital Network Co., Ltd has been established to popularize the IPv9 technology. The company will work with telecom operators such as China Telecom, China Unicom, China Mobile and China Netcom to better publicize the IPv9 technology.

  5. Like IPv6 isn't good enough by xiando · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a total of 2^128, or 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,45 6 unique IPv6 adresses.

    Isn't this enough?

    1. Re:Like IPv6 isn't good enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Let's just give everyone(aprox 10 billion or so) 1 trillion personal adresses.

      Actually, IPv6 addresses will be assigned in blocks of at least 64 bits (even for home users), which is over 18446744 trillion addreses (2^64). A typical business will get at least a /48, or 2^80 addresses.

      This page explains it, and RFC 3177 has more details (including the authors' reasoning that this is not a waste of address space).

    2. Re:Like IPv6 isn't good enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a common fallacy when working with powers of numbers to think that 2^100 compared to 2^128 is any sort of big deal. Realize that it's 2^28 smaller, which is a pretty big huge number, and already approaches the size of the 2^32 IPv4 address space (which is also full of holes). They're not actually talking about dividing at that sort of level, though, and not everyone who has an IPv4 address would need a /100 subnet, so this whole argument is pretty specious. The divisions (which you can find in the appropriate RFCs and policy documents) aren't spaced out equally; some areas have huge blocks set aside for experimental use and future allocations, while others will satisfy the need for addresses for the foreseeable future. Also, just because of the way routers work, it's more efficient to allocate from smaller, more densely packed subnets, as you can encode more routing information for the backbone network into the address that way, without huge routing tables.

      The 128-bit address is waaaay too big to be exhausted; there's something like 1 for every electron in the universe, or something like that. Even the original 48-bit and 64-bit address spaces were pretty big, but just to be on the safe side, the standard committee kept cranking it up (rather than adopting a performance-sucking variable length address). As a practical matter, the human race probably won't exist by then, and we'll probably never need to move off of IPv6 (except maybe to adapt to a paradigm shift that renders the IP-derived protocols irrelevant anyway).

  6. MOD DOWN, WRONG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The US does NOT control addresses for China. APNic would be the reponsible body. Its not even located in the USA!

    Stupid.

  7. Re:April fools joke? by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually IPv9 is TUBA. Which is described in RFC1347.

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  8. Re:April fools joke? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative
    I thought the same when I first read the summary, it's filled with meaningless goop-words. But "China IPV9" does return other hits in Google that lead me to believe this is at least semi-legitimate. See this company, or this powerpoint presentation. Apparently "IPv9", in addition to being used in those April 1st RFCs actually refers to something called TUBA (TCP and UDP with Bigger Addresses), an alternative "big number" addressing protocol to IPv6 that is described in RFC 1347 (see this post for example).


    The original RFC is here.

  9. Re:Standards? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try this one: RFC 1347. IPv9 is another name for the TUBA protocol (see here), which was apparently a competing proposal of IPv6 for big-number addressing with TCP and UDP that has never been put into broad use. Some people seem to think it's superior to IPv6 in some ways, but I was under the impression that it's largely deprecated at this point. Obviously some people are still using it - perhaps they are using it as an interim solution until they can transition to IPv6 (when everyone else does - which will be a cold day in hell).

  10. Re:China needs to control technology by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Informative
    China (Zhong Guo) mean the "Kindgom of the middle"

    Like Mediterranean?

    No, "mediterranean" means "in the middle of the land". It's meant to describe the Mediterranean Sea, which (apart from a small gap a Gibraltar) is surrounded on all sides by land; contrast with the Atlantic Ocean which (as far as people at the time knew) was essentially unbounded.

    be serious.

    He is being serious. It does translate to "kingdom of the middle", which in chinese essentially means "that around which all else revolves".

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  11. Re:China needs to control technology by aled · · Score: 2, Informative

    mediterranean

    \Med`i*ter*ra"ne*an\, a. [L. mediterraneus; medius middle + terra land. See Mid, and Terrace.] 1. Inclosed, or nearly inclosed, with land; as, the Mediterranean Sea, between Europe and Africa.

    Middle Land is close to me. Every people believes they are the center of the universe and/or the choosen people and the others are strange barbarians.

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  12. Re:key word "control" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    just a FYI, get the "user agent switcher" extension. A good bit of the sites that are broken with mozilla/firefox will work with the user agent switcher. Basically, sites detect the browser version and say "well, it's not IE, so it must be wrong". The user agent switcher is just an easy way to make the browser masquerade as IE.

    Just because sites don't work with a certain browser doesn't mean that it's because the browser doesn't support what it's doing.

  13. Re:Welcome to last week by jpmkm · · Score: 2, Informative

    But these go to IPv11. You are over there computing all day at IPv10. Where can you go? Nowhere. When we need that extra network boost, we can go to IPv11.

  14. Re:Obligatory Great Firewall of China Reference by gordon_schumway · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, citizens' rights is a concern, however, refer to a comment I have posted previously, It's 2004 People.

    I think you underestimate the repressiveness of the Chinese government. Let's not forget that this is the same government that massacred hundreds or thousands of pro-democracy protesters in front of CNN's cameras. And, for the 15th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre, they shutdown access to the Square and 'disappeared' activists!

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  15. Re:key word "control" by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is their country and their internal dispute, and no other country has the right to intervene.

    Except that it is NOT an internal dispute. China had a revolution and got split into two nations, PRC and ROC. They are both legitimate nations. There is a border between them.

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  16. Wouldn't IPv3 be better? by bezuwork's+friend · · Score: 1, Informative
    If they want security, wouldn't IPv3 be better?

    Bear with me. With IPv9, they essentially use a superset of the system the rest of the world uses. Padding addresses of IPv4 and IPv6 packages will make them compatable with the Chinese system, right? Thus a satellite feed could be used, the addresses padded, and surrepticiously put on the Chinese internet. The gov. will certainly be able to detect it and put a stop to it, but leaks could presumably occur from time to time.

    With IPv3, the Chinese system would be a subset of the rest of the world's and thus wouldn't be able to address everything simultaneously. Thus any covert hookup wouldn't function. Much better for security, I would think.

  17. Re:key word "control" by silentbozo · · Score: 2, Informative

    EVERY Taiwanese person that I have ever met thinks that the island should be completely and formally a seperate nation. Oddly enough, every mainland chinese person that I've met disagrees and belives as you have stated. Most of them also believe that Tibet rightfully belongs to China too.

    Here's why -- that's what they teach them in the schools. Both sides get a full load of propaganda growing up and it takes a serious amount of critical thinking for any of them to get beyond it.


    Actually, it's even more convoluted than that. Taiwan (aka Formosa, around the WWII era), which was formerly a colonial posession of Japan, who had taken it from China, was essentially invaded by the mainland remnants of Chian-kai-shek's army, who took over the island, imposed their power structure on the local populace, and continually declared that they were the one true government of all of China.

    If you will, think of it as General Lee and what was left of the Confederate army, complete with families and other hangers-on, retreating to the island of Cuba, and declaring themselves the one true government of the USA. And, of course, declaring it illegal on the island of Cuba to speak any language than Standard English, and making it the sole goal of every citizen on the island to press for reunification with the mainland - with the Confederacy as the government.

    For the longest time, the mention of independence was intolerable not only to the mainland communists, but also the mainland losers who controlled Taiwan - being a "political dissident" or an "intellectual" (ie, potential troublemaker) could literally get you shot. Mandarin was the only legal language you could speak in school, which is one of the reasons why many young Taiwanese speak Mandarin, while their parents speak both Mandarin and one of several other dialects, and their grandparents (as a legacy of the Japanese occupation) speak Japanese and their home dialect, but usually not Mandarin.

    The "colonials" have essentially been separated from mainland China for the better part of a century now, and recently became freed of the restrictions of the Chiang-kai-shek era (ie, speaking languages other than Mandarin in school is allowed now, or so I hear.) The Kuomingtang (the mainlander political party in Taiwan) is no longer in control, which makes it permissible to talk about independence, rather than reunification, even if the President of Taiwan must tread a fine line.

    However, despite my American-propaganda filled youth, I can independently say that it is absolutely true that while Taiwan and the mainland obivously share a strong cultural bond, their current-day societies are different enough that any such integration would be extremely difficult and very destructive to smaller of the two.

    Actually, the cultural bond goes deeper than you might suspect. Chiang, on his way to fleeing the mainland, looted a lot of cultural treasures (sculptures, paintings, scrolls, etc.) A lot of those items are still in Taiwan, as far as I know, and the mainlanders, despite now having a different written language (they simplified their writing system), would dearly like to have all that back...

  18. Re:key word "control" by HungWeiLo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Look what's happening in Hong Kong this very moment where they are no longer allowed to choose their own leadership.

    Actually, Hong Kong has never in its history of existence been able to select its own leadership. After being leased to the British from the Qing government, the British appointed its governors just like all its other colonies.

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  19. Re:key word "control" by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Plains, trains, automobiles, computers, networks all invented her in the good ol' rockin' US of friggin' A!

    Sorry to burst your patriotic bubble, but:

    • Plains - France (Ader flew first powered plane)
    • Trains - Britain (Stephenson locomotive)
    • Automobiles - Germany (Karl Benz - yea the one and the same Benz of "Mercedes Benz")
    • Computers - Britain (the WWII cypher cracking Colossus)
    • Networks - Britain (Donald Davies is the dude who put the "P" in the TCP/IP as he invented the term "packet switching network")
    Jolly good jingoistic try though. Keep up the good trolling.