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Linux Users Are Spoiled

Dozix007 writes "NewsForge carries an interesting article on how spoiled Linux users are. It sites examples such as the availability of wide ranging software packages that Microsoft can't hope to provide. Microsoft has to be careful about what kind of application software it ships with Windows. Microsoft reps sometimes point to Linux distributions and ask why they can get away with shipping stacks and stacks of applications without getting in trouble. The answer to that one, of course, is that the Linux distributions give you a choice. You aren't locked into one particular application. Most Linux distributions include several choices for most program classifications; even single-CD distros usually include several Web browsers and email clients."

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  1. GNAA FUCK MY PEE PEE SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  2. Mod article -1, Troll by xYoni69x · · Score: 1, Troll

    Slashdot and Newsforge (host of linked article) are both owned by OSDN. We already know OSDN is anti-Microsoft. This is not news, just more OSDN Microsoft bashing mixed with Linux praising.

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    1. Re:Mod article -1, Troll by Crashmarik · · Score: 0, Troll

      Please

      Microsoft bringing the crap from the Alexis DeTocqueville institute to their seminars is a troll. Pointing out the strong points of the philosophical differences between FOSS and Microsoft is not. BTW just make it clear FOSS:= you own your computer and your informaton. Microsoft:=Microsoft owns you and if you think different your just naive

  3. Spolied? by banal+avenger · · Score: 0, Troll

    That's a really stupid argument. At least be rational with irrational arguments. I mean sure, I really need 5 different Word clones, none of which successfully open a complete word document...

    If anything, Windows users are spoiled because they can click the install button and the program works.

    1. Re:Spolied? by ScottKin · · Score: -1, Troll

      Your assumption is missing a few things:

      80% of the PC world uses Windows and regularly opens and shares .DOC files produced by Microsoft Word.

      Linux "installers" take a bit to get working properly. Windows installers don't.

      Are you awake now?

      --ScottKin

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    2. Re:Spolied? by ScottKin · · Score: -1, Troll

      98% of the time this is caused by stupid users who install any POS (and I don't mean Point-Of-Sale) software they get from the Internet or on a free CD, or have screwed-up their system so badly by mucking around in the registry to try to eek-out every last bit of performance from their Pentium 266 - including overclocking it so they can try to play the coolest 1st-person shooting game...and both deserve every bit of misery they experience for screwing-up their system.

      Do I have to paraphrase "Making one's bed"?

      --ScottKin

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  4. Hey, where's the disclaimer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Where's the usual disclaimer that NewsForge is a OSDN company and stuff?

  5. Re:lack of windows software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    WHAT??

  6. Re:Linux easier than Windows? Unpossible. by bwalling · · Score: 0, Troll

    a simple "emerge sync && emerge -UD world" keeps my system cutting-edge. Microsoft couldn't hope to match this ease, simply because of the relative lack of free/GPL'd apps for the Win32 platform.

    That's hilarious! Just type this weird looking command, complete with two consecutive ampersands and case sensitive options. Couldn't be easier!

  7. Wöööööööhat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Wöööööööhat döööööööid öööööööyou ööööööösay?

  8. yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    We're so great. We're so smart (smart smart smart, s-m-r-t!). Let's pat ourselves on the back for using an operating system that's not Windows for the n-teenth time this week and reiterate something that we all already know (after all, that's why we're not using Windows in the first place) because there's nothing else interesting enough to post on Slashdot.

  9. What lock-in? by azaris · · Score: 0, Troll

    One thing I never understand is the constant bitching about how Windows supposedly locks you in to a whole world of Microsoft written software. I think XP only comes with Internet Explorer, Outlook Express and Windows Media Player preinstalled, maybe Office if you pay extra, but that's it. So where is all the "lock-in"? There's no Microsoft Photoshop, Microsoft Acrobat Reader, Microsoft Quicken or Microsoft AutoCAD. For most jobs I have to get 3rd party or open-source software anyway, and it's usually available for Windows as well as Linux (in my experience more often for the former than the latter).

  10. Great article by NineNine · · Score: 0, Troll

    This article can be summed up as: I like Linux. It's better.

    What utter crap! That's not an article. That's not a discussion topic. That's a typical Slashdot post. And all it does is rehash the same old tired arguments. Why didn't the /. editors instead post this interesting story that came out today? I'll give ya' one guess.

  11. Re:Linux is about choice..... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 0, Troll

    Give me a reason why MS shouldnt be able to charge an OEM full price for the operating system? Its the OEMS choice, same as if they want to use supplier X, they may not get preferential treatment from supplier Y or indeed supplier Z may seek another buyer. Why should MS continue giving preferential treatment to someone which is supplying a direct competitor to its product. Its the terms that the OEM signed up for in order to stay in competition with other manufacturers. The OEM can forgo windows altogether and go with linux, but you know what? That doesnt sell systems. Dont like the price, dont buy the product.

    One thing I think a lot of people forget is that OEM prices are a reward, not a god given right. And dont give me any bullshit about MS having to treat everyone correct 'because they are a monopoly', they are still a business first and formost, and no law in this country says you have to support the sale of a competitors product, which they are doing by offering low prices to OEMs who use the lure of an MS system and a Linux system dual booting to sell a computer.

  12. Re:Spoiled? Uh huh. by ocelotbob · · Score: 0, Troll

    Of course OS X installs are easy when there are only 3 programs available for it. Come back to me when you stop using that ugly toy and get a real computer.

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  13. Re:Linux is about choice..... by PepsiProgrammer · · Score: 0, Troll

    Shoddy untested 'public beta' software has never stopped them from shipping windows in the past. Why should firefox be any different?

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  14. Re:Unix Tools and Shells.. that's what windows lac by Mortlath · · Score: 1, Troll

    It sounds like you don't know the tools to use in Windows. I'm sure with some VBScript you could quickly rearrange that text file. Windows has power. You just have to be educated. For example, I don't have a clue how to do the things you mentioned on Linux. Does that make Linux powerless?

  15. Re:Unix Tools and Shells.. that's what windows lac by ScottKin · · Score: -1, Troll

    This harkens to my long-ago posts as to what Linux is really good for and for what Windows is really good for as well.

    Windows: Everyday users who don't want to learn programming the moment they install their OS.

    Linux: Advanced users who really want to learn how to program the moment they install their OS.

    Also, there are plenty of freeware/shareware apps that will accomplish exactly what you were mentioning with that wonderful toolset:

    WinGrep - http://www.wingrep.com/

    Windows AWK - http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/gawk.htm

    SED replacement - Wordpad.exe

    WinZip handles tar & tar.gz files quite well.

    perl for Win32 is freely available on the Internet.

    I've used | in batch files since 1988 in MS-DOS - where have you been?.

    Your points are now forwarded to /dev/null

    You sir, are nothing but a Linux Shill and a Linux-lover parrot - #593, to be exact.

    Enjoy your ignorance.

    --ScottKin

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  16. Re:Linux easier than Windows? Unpossible. by ScottKin · · Score: -1, Troll

    And how is dear old Grandma going to know what to install and uninstall? I bet Grandma will have a fun time when she want's to install Disney's Magic Artist program for her grandkids to play on when they come visit her - WHOOOPS!!!

    "Why won't this run on my PC?...I have Linux? I thought I had a PC?...Where's Microsoft Windows?...Wine? No, I don't drink...Oh, it's another program that will let me use Windows Programs?...How do I install it so it will play this nice Disney program for the kids??"

    I'm totally amazed when people start to use the "Grandma" analogy to show how simple things are without including other details?

    Guess what? Grandparents CAN READ MANUALS AND INSTALLATION GUIDES!!

    Get a clue!

    --ScottKin

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  17. Don't waste your time. by dtrent · · Score: -1, Troll

    Not only is the article poorly written (like all things written by "roblimo"), but it's also about as well thought out as a drunken rant. Microsoft can't include IRC software because of anti-trust concerns? Nice one.

  18. Windoze Vs. Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    let see, the last time i installed WIndoze98se i DID NOT have a choice of web browsers or media players, i was forced to let it install Internet Exployter & Windows Media Player without the option of Un-selecting them, same with desktip GUIs (No- choice).

    so all i got to say to Microsoft is fsck you, i wiped your vulnerable kludge off my computer since it crashes and BSODS daily, i abandoned your crap about the year 2000 and moved on to Linux and have not looked back and been a happy camper with Linux ever since, i keep an eye on http://www.distrowatch.com/ to see what is the latest, so when i get enough cash for a new mobo & CPU combo i will get a new distro for it, so there will be no OEM & M$FT Tax in the purchace price...

    not everybody has the cash to spend on the latest & greatest hardware, so i am going to run this box till the wheels fall off...

    when i recently installed Linux (Slackware-8) i selected Gnome & KDE & WindowMaker also i got out a old CD-R with some older GUIs i saved before they could not be found on-line like Blackbox-0.6.1 & ICE-1.0.3

    yeah.....yeah........

    i know this stuff is not the latest but it is what i want on there, along with the stock 2.4.5.xx kernel since this computer is getting a little old it needs nursing along (older software)...

    fsck microsoft, they have as much respect from me as a creepy used car salesman wearing a loud polyester suit & a bad comb-over trying to sell a rusty AMC pacer or Ford pinto or a chevy citation, (crap that naver lasted in the market due to its inferior craftmanship)

    thats exactly what is happening in the battle between microsoft windows & Linux.,,, WIndows was popular for a while now Linux is gaining ground and there is a GIANT penguin that is about to step on redmond's M$FT campus and squash it like a bug, HAHAHAHA

  19. Re:Linux is about choice..... by prestomation · · Score: -1, Troll
    they are still a business first and formost,

    Yes, and I'm a man and have a sex drive. This is considered ok, and I'm allowed to have consensual sex with women. But I'm not allowed to rape them. Do you think I should?

    That proves that you're a man, the first analogy you could think up involved sex and women..

  20. Linux is about choices between crap and more crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    A week ago I decided to try to write something on my computer, with Linux. There were about five word processing programs on my computer already, so I figured at least one should do it.

    One of them crashes every time I save, another prints (on paper) four or five spaces between each word. Another doesn't do word wrapping. Another only does quasi-word wrapping, where the cursor goes to the next line, but that's all. Another does word wrapping, but prints headers and footers on each page that cannot be turned off. And well, crap like that.

    So I went to the console. Seems there isn't one console text editor that does word wrapping.

    Everything in Windows does word wrapping. And although the software may crash at random times, that's better than crashing every time you save the file.

    Of course I can't use Windows for other reasons, so I guess I need to just toss my computer out the window and be done with it.

    Everything sucks.

  21. Re:Linux is about choice..... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1, Troll

    Which is exactly the problem. If you don't do as Microsoft tells you, you will be unable to compete.

    Rather, if you dont do as the terms of the contract said, you dont get the benefit.

    No, but anti-trust law says that if you're a monopolist, you're not allowed to use your power to lock upcoming competitors out of your markets. If you can't compete on the merit (and cost) of your products alone, then you don't deserve your monopoly any longer.

    Now this point is interesting. Which is the uncompetative behavior here, offering specific OEMs cheaper prices, or locking other OEMs out of those prices? Most people would say 'both' and most people on here would say they shouldnt be able to do it at all, which brings us to the question: just how much is software worth? You cant do it on the standard basis of how much it costs to manufacture the item you purchase as once you have one its easy to make a million more.

    It's the other way round. Everyone (vendor of a certain minimum size that is) gets OEM contracts, except those who give MS competitors a chance. It's a tool of punishment, not a reward. But as the die-hard astroturfer you seem to be, you probably don't care.

    What I was trying to say in the origional post was that OEMs who were dual booting Windows with Linux were using the selling point of Windows to shift Linux, which I beleive is a unfair to MS. No business is going to allow its product to be the selling point of its competitor.

    Im not a 'die-hard astroturfer' like you say, and I do care. Im just pissed off with the long standing rhetoric on this site that its OK to punish MS to the ends of the earth while overlooking the fact that most of that view comes from jelousy, and most of the recent lawsuits against MS seem to be cash grabs and little else.

  22. BULLSHIT by melted · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yes, per-cpu licensing, but ONLY for certain model numbers. Increase the model number by one (leave everything else the same) and ship any Linux distro you want with it.

    RTFA, dude. The facts are not as scary as Linux zealots on Slashdot want you to think.