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U.S. Government Sometimes Jams Keyless Car Locks?
PizzaFace writes "The Washington Post reports that in certain towns (generally near military bases), on certain days (such as the day an aircraft carrier returns to port), keyless car entry systems and remote garage door openers mysteriously fail. While some frustrated motorists blame aliens, the FCC says the jammed frequencies belong to the U.S. military. The good ol' Post even tracks down a government contractor who all-but-confirms the source of the interference."
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Mine don't work in the parking lot on the military base I work on, but the work fine at home.
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I hear you get good prices when buying tin foil in large orders. I'd probably need that for the garage door.
Maybe we deserve this world ?
enter your car, and start it with just the key, the government may be to blame, but you need to be slapped.
Horse and buggy remains unaffected by such measures.
Too bad part 15 of the FCC's guidelines can't apply. The whole "may not cause harmful interference" section might have been nice. My dad parked on a Navy base with his keyless entry-equipped Oldsmobile for a few years up in Washington. Whatever they had running was so strong, it completely fried the system.
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I used to work with an engineer who was a former air force tech on the Looking Glass. The Looking Glass missions were a group of USAF command/control aircraft that was always airborne to provide a redundant facility to the Strategic Air Command (SAC) in the unlikely event SAC ceased to exist from a USSR strike.
He explained on several occasions that one of their amusements was lowering a long antenna and jamming garage door frequencies and other civilian applications (e.g. keyless door locks). I couldn't imagine why the air force would want to interfere with garage doors and he never had a good explanation other than they were told to do that and the crew always found it amusing.
Urban legend? Looking Glass crew tall tale told to amuse their friends? Who knows, but they certainly had the ability to try and lord knows many friends have had their garage doors open by themselves in the middle of the night.
Jamming is a deliberate "denial of service" attack in the RF relm. Interference is the unintentional degradation or stoppage of service.
When 2 ethernet NIC's transmit at the same time in normal operation we don't call it jamming. I doubt that what the government is doing is intentional.
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"But unlike other more powerful radio signals, keyless entry remotes are not licensed by the Federal Communications Commission. They are allowed to operate on frequencies used by licensed customers as long as their signals are sufficiently weak and don't interfere with others. But because of this outlaw status, their own signals can be jeopardized." Tough. Get licensed, or have a working backup system that doesn't depend on radio. I honestly don't see the issue here. The situation isn't likely to change, so the unlicensed folk will have to work around it. Use spread-spectrum at low power or frequency hopping to get around this. -C
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I happen to work at a base where the US Army Communications Electronics Command (CECOM) is headquartered. I have a keyless entry. So do many of the thousands of other people who work there. Never heard of a keyless entry problem.
Weird.
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A few years ago a US ship visited my hometown Hobart/Ausralia and garage door remotes all over the city stopped working. The US Navy apologised.
Does it go on forever?
...people don't interfere with it per se. Thieves armed with a laptop will nab your opener code at a gas station, and then follow you to a hotel or wherever your destination is. They steal the car at night, and are long gone with 3-4 hours head start. They're nice and useful, I'm sure, but not always appropriate.
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this topic has already been covered here.
Radar Tech: "Sir. The car keys, sir. They appear to be... jammed."
Dark Helmet: "Jammed? Raspberry. There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry. Lone Starr!"
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Tin-foil key fob covers... patent pending.
This is one of the reasons medical devices have to go through some rigorous testing and use approved frequencies. Even so, mistakes do occur.
When a pacemaker fails, it tends to get noticed. Early pacemakers had trouble with improperly shielded microwave ovens - mostly because the pacemaker itself was improperly shielded. Pacemakers that used a magnetic sensor for the on/off function ran into trouble if a strong magnet was waved over the patient's chest. Some of the early AV sequential pacemakers with the ability to change heart rate based on activity sensors would, if incorrectly programmed, suddenly throw the patient into an artificial 2nd degree heart block when the patient's heart rate exceeded a specific amount.
Urban legends contribute to percieved problems. Notice all the hospitals with "No Cell Phone" signs. Then notice all the cell phones in use by the doctors and the EMS personnel walking around with Handi-Talkies. Oops....
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I am suprised at your story though. Navy procedure for radio links involved the fuses being put in control of the watch officer who ensures that they don'tr get returned until after everyone is down.
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One of those shows that copy MTV's Punk'd concept did a thing like this with retail CB walkie-talkies. They went to one of the big parking lots downtown and when a car's owner approached his vehicle, they just hit the speak button on the CB radio and held it down. Then, when the car wouldn't open, they'd send a fake locksmith in who'd pretend to mess with the lock for a while, eventually give up and then offer to smash in one of the windows.
In most cases, that one walkie-talkie was enough to "jam" the keyless entry system. The only cars it failed to work on were Mercedes, BMW and IIRC Audi models (maybe imports use a different frequeny - I dunno).
Surprisingly, most of the people couldn't seem to figure out how to get in their cars without the remote (well, at least, of those people they showed). I sometimes wonder how those people manage to put their pants on in the morning.
I used to work in a lab where we did some (non-military, non-secret) radio work and it would sometimes cause problems in the car park. The problem seems to be that the receivers in the cars are built "on the cheap" using ceramic resonators rather than quartz crystals, so they are not very selective. That is, rather than being sensitive only to the frequency that the remote is transmitting on, they are also sensitive to adjacent (and not so adjacent) frequencies. They could easily be swamped by a powerful transmitter several MHz away, whereas a better-designed receiver would be imune. So I blame the remote manufacturers.
The particular frequencies used depend on where in the world you are; the U.S. uses one set and the rest of the world uses another. Here in the "rest of the world" most remotes operate at 433 MHz. This is not far from TV frequencies - ever find your car remote doesn't work if you're parked next to a TV transmitter? Newer systems will probably be using 868 MHz (rest of world) or 913 (U.S.); this bit of the spectrum is better regulated and it would be difficult to get away with not using a crystal-based receiver. So hopefully these problems will go away.
You don't need to delve into urban legend. Back in 1998, a dozen wireless heart monitors went offline at a major Dallas-area hospital when WFAA-TV turned on its HDTV transmitter for the first time.
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Might I suggest you work on your cause-and-effect a bit more?
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I have three rocks in my garden. All of them are red. None have been stolen. Ergo, red rocks cannot be stolen.
See how stupid it sounds? Dude - the top five cars on that list are also the TOP FIVE most common cars in the U.S. If you can establish a relationship between the theft rates of similarly-equipped cars, where the only variable is RFID or not, then you've got a case and you are welcome to tell us all about it. If you just wanna spout uneducated shit...
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Somewhere within the remote is an actual metal key for use when the electronics aren't working . There should be a button that flips it out or a hidden compartment that you can pull it out of. Look for extra seams on the sides.
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Your car most likely trigged whenever it heard a wrong sequence on its frequency, figuring that somebody was trying to steal the car by trying to guess the code.
When the air-show came to town, there's usually some military aircraft included in the group whose favorite comminication frequency just happens to be the one your car alarm is tuned to.
Therefore, the car alarm thinks it's always being challenged by the random noise that is really the pilots talking to each other...
In the Navy they use a system called a Red Tag systems. When you are working on equipment and you must kill the power to it you put a Red Tag on it and anyone who violates a red tag suffers severe consequences (up to court martial) So if your dad did not tag the fuse box and decided to work on the radar system (live radar will kill you if you stand in front of the dish) he was not following navy procedure.
I've seen the outcome when the Red Tag procedure is not followed, it cost a friend of mine his hand.
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Whoever modded this a troll doesn't know much about how comm frequencies are allocated. The fact is that according to the article, keyless entry systems are secondary users on their allocated frequencies. Ask a ham what that means.
For an excellent example, hams were in the last couple years authorized to operate on the 60m band. That probably means nothing to most people, but it's a specific band that is used by amateurs in other countries, with its own unique propagation characteristics. However, amateurs, who generally get the run of whatever band they're allowed, are limited to one particular operation mode (upper sideband) on five channels, one of which is shared with the UK making international contact on that band possible. The reason for the limitation: the primary users on that band are military and emergency-related, they use upper sideband on those frequencies, and they need to be able to clear the channel for their own use, so they have to be able to talk to other users. (It's an annoyance to hams, who are used to being able to operate any mode they wish, but c'est la vie.)
What looks like the case here is that the remote systems are designed to operate under Part 15 rules, which govern general unlicensed transmission. They're the same rules under which a community low power AM station can broadcast, and are subject to the same terms. In this case, it was an unfortunate choice for car manufacturers, because the frequency chosen is apparently used for certain FCC-allocated classified purposes. Oh well.