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mcabiling writes "SansWire Networks will demonstrate their "Stratellite" technology next week. For those of you who aren't familiar with SansWire, they plan to build a wireless network with balloons or "airships" as they call them. "A Stratellite(TM) is a high-altitude airship that when in place in the stratosphere will provide a stationary platform for transmitting various types of wireless communications services currently transmitted from cell towers and satellites. It is not a balloon or a blimp. It is a high-altitude airship." Looks like a blimp to me..."

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  1. They are NOT Blimps! by YankeeInExile · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is not a balloon or a blimp. It is a high-altitude airship." Looks like a blimp to me...
    The sarcastic wicked side of me wants to ask, "Do you also have trouble distinguishing cows from automobiles?". The designation of various categories of lighter-than-air craft is not just random - there are specific design features. OPs glib statement comes across like the PHB who says, "Looks like a television set to me ... " when confronted with a computer monitor.

    The things that make the stratellite airship not a balloon or a blimp, based on reading the fine FAQ are:

    1. Rigid airframe: Blimps get their envelope shape from internal pressure acting against the envelope. These craft get their shape from a rigid airframe.
    2. Airfoil shape: Blimps have a streamlined shape, but it is symettrical with reference to the flight motion. These craft have an airfoil shape that can provide lift.

    A communication platform that sits at 65000 feet and stays relatively still sounds like a dream come true. None of the cost of keeping a constellation of LEO satellites moving, none of the latency of geosync. This would also seem a great technology for providing ad hoc coverage to a remote area for a special event. Put a couple of moderately directional (say +23 dBi) antennas, one pointed at Black Rock City, and the other at Civilization, and you have low-cost temporary ludicrous bandwidth at Burning Man. (Feel free to substitute YOUR favorite boondock~based used-to-be-cool-'til-they-sold-out art festival if you are offended by BM)

    I for one, welcome our helium filled stationary communication overlords.

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  2. Re:Nitrogen as a lifting gas? by dmh20002 · · Score: 3, Informative

    probably as dumpable ballast to maintain altitude

  3. Coverage by YankeeInExile · · Score: 4, Informative

    The difference in pathloss between the SSP (21km slantrange) and the edge of a 75 mile coverage circle (122km slant range) is only 15.3 dB. Not an insurmountable design figure. You might need to use a directional antenna at the edge of coverage, where a more omni antenna would suffice at the center.

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  4. Re:Nitrogen as a lifting gas? by pcraven · · Score: 5, Informative

    NH3 is a lifting gas. Some balloonists use it as an alternative to helium (expensive) or hydrogen (safety risks).

  5. Re:Nice technology by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sounds like an attempt to overcome the runaway expenditures of Teledesic's failed LEO project. The problem with these high-altitude sender/receivers is that--while they offer a technology solution--there is a corresponding weakness in application.

    For example, latency in these systems make it unattractive for many internet applications (who wants to play FPS's over a spread-slotted Aloha CDMA system?).


    As long as you have a relatively nearby ground station to relay to, latency isn't a horrible problem. Right underneath one of these things, round-trip latency is about 0.13 milliseconds. At the edge of a blimp's broadcast range (around 100 km if I'm reading things correctly), it's 1.3 milliseconds round-trip.

    Think of these as a much cheaper way of building a very tall relay tower, for something closer to reality than the "satellite" analogy.

  6. Spherical geometry by pjt33 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Don't forget that the Earth isn't planar. Assuming it's a sphere, which isn't too far off,
    Area = 2 PI R^2 (1 - cos theta) where theta is angle subtended by diameter
    cos theta = 1 - Area / (2 PI R^2)
    But
    diameter = R theta
    so
    radius = arccos(1 - Area / (2 PI R^2)) * R / 2
    = arccos(1 - 300,000 mi^2 / (2 PI * (6371 km)^2)) * 6371 km / 2
    = arccos(1 - 777000 km^2 / 255000000 km^2) * 3186km
    = arccos(0.997) * 1980 mi
    = 153 miles.
  7. Blimps are airships, and stratellites are good by Foxwell · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any aircraft that gets most of its lift from lighter-than air gases and can be propelled against the wind is an airship. It floats in air and it goes where you want it, so it is an air-ship. Ok? Blimps are airships. Or dirigibles--different verbal approach, same idea, because the word emphasizes you can _direct_ the motion.

    Several operations have tried this high-altitude business. There are issues with it but if you can make it work, the advantages over satellites should be clear. Why not use an airplane? Because the damn things use a lot of fuel and must move faster than the airship might be forced by shifting winds to move--relative speed matters with high-bandwidth connections.

    The high altitude is chosen in part for the coverage range, but also to seek a layer of air where the average wind _force_ is lowest, to minimize the power needed to stay in place. With this design of airship they are going to have to turn to keep drag down if the wind shifts. True of all practical designs yet except spheres which have unacceptably high drag in _every_ direction--flattened disks called "lenticular" layouts might have lower inherent profile drag but have a tendency to pitch sideways to the wind that can only be combatted with fins that break the symmetry. So inevitably they will be blown off their ideal station point from time to time, the question is can they turn into the new wind fast enough to keep the divergence small. It depends on what the system users consider a small deviation at that range.

    I would wait and see if their next demo comes off. Their last demo was about a year and a half ago, using Techsphere spherical airships. Just before the scheduled launch date their demo airship blew away! Nowadays Techsphere is persuading the Navy they can reliably operate for surveillance missions--I don't know if they paid attention to suggestions from people like me about how to reduce the drag of a sphere or if they have just had the good luck not to encounter severe winds in their demos yet. But meanwhile Sanswire has clearly washed their hands of Techsphere! Anyway they have been here before. We'll see I hope.