It's okay, man. If there's one
thing I know, it's how to drive
when I'm stoned. It's like, you
know your perspective's fucked,
so you just gotta let your hands
work the controls as if you're
straight.
Nobody but John knows what his motivations were, but I don't think he was gay... of all the dozens of "oncers" I know of none who engaged in what could be called, by any stretch of the imagination, 'sex'. (e.g. there was no nudity, outside of what would be typical for a gym... there was no genital contact, no climax, not even any notable tumescence).
If I had to guess, I'd say it was more a power play. John could cajole you into doing something you didn't feel comfortable with, as a gatekeeper to some future benefit. Creepy, no doubt. Sexual, I never saw it that way.
Years later, I had a boyfriend who had very a very similar experience to mine out at that condo in the east bay just out by the Caldecott tunnel... what was the name of the place?...
Hacker 1: Did you ever work out with Crunch? Hacker 2: Once...
There were a lot of "oncers" running around the bay area in that era. The best thing about meeting crunch wasn't meeting crunch -- it was all the hangers on that you met. Steve S. The guys from Berkeley who did the FatMac hack. Edjik. Perry F. John Perry. The list could go on for pages...
Funny, I was reading that and thought to myself that it was overqualified. What they ought to say is It is good to learn many programming languages, but it is a far better thing to learn to write programs
A share in a company is an asset that you can (generally) sell or assign at will. The corporation (outside of specific cases of restricted stock issues) has no way of participating or not in the deal.
Nothing is wrong with greed. But, conversely, what's wrong with a little socialism?
The attitude that emenates from CL staffers (and is reflected in their users) is: There are lots of places to get your greed on,
let's have one that is more happy-hippy just-a-bunch-o-friends swap-n-shop shoot-the-shit kinda place.
THAT, in my arrogant opinion, is why Craigslist has been so phenomenally successful. It is a pleasing balance between capitalism and social community
Wow, I always thought this was a fair use issue. I know fair use isn't what it used to be. I didn't realize it was completely negated. Maybe because I didn't physically make my own backup and went and grabbed someone else's "backup" it's off the negotiating table. I'm no lawyer obviously... someone care to comment?
Take a step back -- I think the question "is making a backup of a audio recording fair use" was never adequately answered. Making a "backup copy" of some copyrighted works is a very recent addition to the statute.
I am fascinated by the whole story -- before this week, I had never
heard of this nutjob.
Therein lies the crux of the problem: This guy (Thompson) is railing against freedom of expression, and the mainstream press is ignoring him in droves.
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Talk about your schadenfreude experiences, eh? Either these scientists are wrong, or they get to gloat about how nobody listented to them.
I am just waiting for President Schwarzenegger's address from the beaches of Las Vegas explaining that global warming is not a serious problem, and there was never a place called Venice.
Well, this posting has generated a ton of heat and little light, so let me clue you-all in to my hiring procedure.
First: I own the company. I personally, with the aid of two assistants, control the entire screen-interview-hire process. There is an HR "gal" who handles things like tax withholding and reporting for four jurisdictions around the world, and making sure that your check comes on time, but she doesn't know a programmer from a dog catcher, so has no role in selecting candidates.
Second: Your resume is actually the last thing I look at.
The screening process goes like this: You are asked to send in a cover letter and code sample. Specific file-format requirements are posted with the job requisition. The last time I advertised, there were 1,266 responses.
The vast majority of applicants get the no-interview decision made based on failing to follow the application procedure. This is mostly to weed out robots and head-hunters, although discarding people who cannot follow simple instructions is a side benefit.
Of the one in twenty that successfully gets his letter into my hands, over half are discarded as incapable of effective communication in English.
Of the roughly 2% who have made it this far, we actually have to read some of their code and accompanying documentation. Since there are some systems (java at the lead) that I am not an expert in, I delegate the code review to other programmers in my organization. Here we are looking for consistency of style, and most of all efficacy of documentation. About half of the applicants at this point pass on to the next step.
Now, a telephone inteview takes place - since very few of us are on the same continent, your ability to communicate via telephone is of high importance. This is the "what is it going to be like to work with this guy/gal?" on a personality level call. Do you have a sense of humor? Can you form cogent sentences extemporaneously? The first passes have eliminated the chum, and about three out of five make it past this point.
Now, we begin the fact-checking phase - this is where your resume comes out of the file - first all of your references will be contacted. A few 'sneaky' techniques are used to help weed out shills - or, if you prefer, a complex heuristic analysis is used to determine the likelihood of dishonest response. You will probably not be surprised how many people I have caught trying to bullshit their way through this part. If you are not honest applying for the position, you likely will not be honest reporting your billable hours. This is where my anti-certification bias gets applied, but it turns out that it never seems to matter, because very few of the candidates that make it to this stage have certs. Curious, eh?
Now begins the Fun Stuff - which we actually pay you for. You will submit a writing sample -- this is almost always of the form "Here is a library in system-you-say-you-know. Imagine the programer got hit by a train. You have to document it." You will submit more code -- something that should take about one good day of coding for a modest coder. You are expected to give a log of how long you worked on it, what test procedures you used, what bugs you had (and hopefully fixed) , what was harder than it seemed at first, and what was easier than it seemed at first. From that pool (in the last batch of 1,266 responses, seven got to the paid-code/writing-sample stage) we select the best candidate. Two of those were hired -- a twenty-year veteran, and a self-taught high-school dropout.
That is what everybody who has responded to me in this thread has failed to see: I do not believe that certifications require any demonstrable skill, since they can so easily be gamed. For three hundred US I can get a certificate that says my dog has the required skills.
A certification has exactly as much weight and proof-of-knowledge as a degree from the Grace L. Ferguson University and Storm Door company.
Well, please feel free not to apply for any of the positions I advertise for.
But do keep this in mind: I have seven senior level programmers and designers working for me. All of them have been with my firm for at least three years, and are consistently happy. I have a 100% telecommute force, and they all get paid 90th %ile for their market - even the on in Seattle, WA.
So, you can continue to get certifications, call me names, and whine on slashdot when you get treated like cattle as your jobs get shipped of to India, or you can start learning, show demonstrable skill, and get a good job.
You want to quote that Title and Section? For every jurisdiction in the world? Or how about just the one I hire in.
As to it being foolish: There is some slim chance that someone may have gotten one of these abysmal certifications on a dare, or while drunk or stoned, but people who buy meaningless validation strike me as opportunists. Exactly the kind of candidate I want to exclude. So, while I was being dramatically disingenuous upthread, I can safely say: Each certification decreases strongly your chances of getting hired in my organization.
HR does not write the screening requirements for a job posting, I do. And I can guarantee you that I have never put "A Random certificate from a body that has no credibility" as a requirement, so that shoots your to be interviewed pile argument all to hell. Especially since step two of the screening process is discard all resumes with the letters MCSE on them
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Too bad you had to wait until August of 1977 for the computer to be released.
It's okay, man. If there's one thing I know, it's how to drive when I'm stoned. It's like, you know your perspective's fucked, so you just gotta let your hands work the controls as if you're straight.
Nobody but John knows what his motivations were, but I don't think he was gay ... of all the dozens of "oncers" I know of none who engaged in what could be called, by any stretch of the imagination, 'sex'. (e.g. there was no nudity, outside of what would be typical for a gym ... there was no genital contact, no climax, not even any notable tumescence).
If I had to guess, I'd say it was more a power play. John could cajole you into doing something you didn't feel comfortable with, as a gatekeeper to some future benefit. Creepy, no doubt. Sexual, I never saw it that way.
Years later, I had a boyfriend who had very a very similar experience to mine out at that condo in the east bay just out by the Caldecott tunnel ... what was the name of the place?...
For what it's worth, I don't think his interest was overtly sexual -- but it was definitely ... eccentric.
Hacker 1: Did you ever work out with Crunch? ...
Hacker 2: Once
There were a lot of "oncers" running around the bay area in that era. The best thing about meeting crunch wasn't meeting crunch -- it was all the hangers on that you met. Steve S. The guys from Berkeley who did the FatMac hack. Edjik. Perry F. John Perry. The list could go on for pages...
Funny, I was reading that and thought to myself that it was overqualified. What they ought to say is It is good to learn many programming languages, but it is a far better thing to learn to write programs
A sharehlder is not an organ of the Corporation - that perogative is reserved to the Directors.
A share in a company is an asset that you can (generally) sell or assign at will. The corporation (outside of specific cases of restricted stock issues) has no way of participating or not in the deal.
Nothing is wrong with greed. But, conversely, what's wrong with a little socialism?
The attitude that emenates from CL staffers (and is reflected in their users) is: There are lots of places to get your greed on, let's have one that is more happy-hippy just-a-bunch-o-friends swap-n-shop shoot-the-shit kinda place.
THAT, in my arrogant opinion, is why Craigslist has been so phenomenally successful. It is a pleasing balance between capitalism and social community
Okay, would in a world where money is widely worshipped meet your needs?
Go Team!
I also find your handle delightfully appropriate.
Not quite. eBay bought a chunk of craigslist from one of the original partners -- I don't think CL the corporate entity got anything out of the deail.
Real estate is not the only paid category. Jobs postings in the largest markets are also revenue producers. (Although at $25 it can't be beat)
Do you think it is truly wise to play game the system with a judge who has considerable discretion in issuing contempt citations?
I am fascinated by the whole story -- before this week, I had never heard of this nutjob.
Therein lies the crux of the problem: This guy (Thompson) is railing against freedom of expression, and the mainstream press is ignoring him in droves.
Here's a little story that will make you realize how great emacs and vi(m) really are. http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
In other news:
Don't say I didn't warn you.I for one, welcome our new Standards Compliant Overlords.
Talk about your schadenfreude experiences, eh? Either these scientists are wrong, or they get to gloat about how nobody listented to them.
I am just waiting for President Schwarzenegger's address from the beaches of Las Vegas explaining that global warming is not a serious problem, and there was never a place called Venice.
Well, this posting has generated a ton of heat and little light, so let me clue you-all in to my hiring procedure.
First: I own the company. I personally, with the aid of two assistants, control the entire screen-interview-hire process. There is an HR "gal" who handles things like tax withholding and reporting for four jurisdictions around the world, and making sure that your check comes on time, but she doesn't know a programmer from a dog catcher, so has no role in selecting candidates.
Second: Your resume is actually the last thing I look at.
The screening process goes like this: You are asked to send in a cover letter and code sample. Specific file-format requirements are posted with the job requisition. The last time I advertised, there were 1,266 responses.
The vast majority of applicants get the no-interview decision made based on failing to follow the application procedure. This is mostly to weed out robots and head-hunters, although discarding people who cannot follow simple instructions is a side benefit.
Of the one in twenty that successfully gets his letter into my hands, over half are discarded as incapable of effective communication in English.
Of the roughly 2% who have made it this far, we actually have to read some of their code and accompanying documentation. Since there are some systems (java at the lead) that I am not an expert in, I delegate the code review to other programmers in my organization. Here we are looking for consistency of style, and most of all efficacy of documentation. About half of the applicants at this point pass on to the next step.
Now, a telephone inteview takes place - since very few of us are on the same continent, your ability to communicate via telephone is of high importance. This is the "what is it going to be like to work with this guy/gal?" on a personality level call. Do you have a sense of humor? Can you form cogent sentences extemporaneously? The first passes have eliminated the chum, and about three out of five make it past this point.
Now, we begin the fact-checking phase - this is where your resume comes out of the file - first all of your references will be contacted. A few 'sneaky' techniques are used to help weed out shills - or, if you prefer, a complex heuristic analysis is used to determine the likelihood of dishonest response. You will probably not be surprised how many people I have caught trying to bullshit their way through this part. If you are not honest applying for the position, you likely will not be honest reporting your billable hours. This is where my anti-certification bias gets applied, but it turns out that it never seems to matter, because very few of the candidates that make it to this stage have certs. Curious, eh?
Now begins the Fun Stuff - which we actually pay you for. You will submit a writing sample -- this is almost always of the form "Here is a library in system-you-say-you-know. Imagine the programer got hit by a train. You have to document it." You will submit more code -- something that should take about one good day of coding for a modest coder. You are expected to give a log of how long you worked on it, what test procedures you used, what bugs you had (and hopefully fixed) , what was harder than it seemed at first, and what was easier than it seemed at first. From that pool (in the last batch of 1,266 responses, seven got to the paid-code/writing-sample stage) we select the best candidate. Two of those were hired -- a twenty-year veteran, and a self-taught high-school dropout.
Anyway - I have to go do some "real" work
Precisely not.
That is what everybody who has responded to me in this thread has failed to see: I do not believe that certifications require any demonstrable skill, since they can so easily be gamed. For three hundred US I can get a certificate that says my dog has the required skills.
A certification has exactly as much weight and proof-of-knowledge as a degree from the Grace L. Ferguson University and Storm Door company.
Well, please feel free not to apply for any of the positions I advertise for.
But do keep this in mind: I have seven senior level programmers and designers working for me. All of them have been with my firm for at least three years, and are consistently happy. I have a 100% telecommute force, and they all get paid 90th %ile for their market - even the on in Seattle, WA.
So, you can continue to get certifications, call me names, and whine on slashdot when you get treated like cattle as your jobs get shipped of to India, or you can start learning, show demonstrable skill, and get a good job.
As to it being foolish: There is some slim chance that someone may have gotten one of these abysmal certifications on a dare, or while drunk or stoned, but people who buy meaningless validation strike me as opportunists. Exactly the kind of candidate I want to exclude. So, while I was being dramatically disingenuous upthread, I can safely say: Each certification decreases strongly your chances of getting hired in my organization.
I call shenanigans.
HR does not write the screening requirements for a job posting, I do. And I can guarantee you that I have never put "A Random certificate from a body that has no credibility" as a requirement, so that shoots your to be interviewed pile argument all to hell. Especially since step two of the screening process is discard all resumes with the letters MCSE on them