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Starbucks - Your Next Music Superstore?

prostoalex writes "The Fast Company magazine looks into the next horizon in music retailing - allowing customers to choose the songs they like in relaxed environment and burning custom CDs from digital copies of the content. The claimed innovator in the field is none other than Seattle-based Starbucks: 'This August, Starbucks will install individual music-listening stations, with CD-burning capabilities, in 10 existing Starbucks locations in Seattle. From there, the concept rolls out to Texas in the fall, including Starbucks stores in the music mecca of Austin. With the help of technology partner Hewlett-Packard, Starbucks plans to have 100 coffee shops across the country enabled with Hear Music CD-burning stations by next Christmas, and more than 1,000 locations up and running by the end of 2005.' And what's wrong with traditional music outlets? 'Schultz and MacKinnon came to believe that the core Starbucks customer, an affluent 25- to 50-year-old who's likelier to be tuned in to NPR than to MTV or one of the nine gazillion radio stations owned by Clear Channel Communications Inc., probably feels ignored by the music industry.'"

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  1. 10 existing Starbucks locations in Seattle by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's 0.00000001% of the Seattle locations.

  2. Sit down and enjoy the coffee by SIGALRM · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Starbucks will install individual music-listening stations, with CD-burning capabilities, in 10 existing Starbucks locations in Seattle
    Starbucks, with their deployment of wireless APs in their stores, and now with the music concept, is really working hard to keep customers sitting down longer in their stores, consuming their products.
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    1. Re:Sit down and enjoy the coffee by tntguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      An epic task, given the nature of caffeine.

    2. Re:Sit down and enjoy the coffee by Steve+Embalmer · · Score: 4, Funny

      keep customers sitting down longer in their stores, consuming their products

      Heh, just what I need, more of their products. I get no sleep as it is :)

  3. Music Industry by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Schultz and MacKinnon came to believe that the core Starbucks customer, an affluent 25- to 50-year-old who's likelier to be tuned in to NPR than to MTV or one of the nine gazillion radio stations owned by Clear Channel Communications Inc., probably feels ignored by the music industry.'"

    Wonder how they came to that conclusion. :-P

    I also wonder why the music industry hasn't.

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    1. Re:Music Industry by funny-jack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because they're entrenched in their current method of making money. To ditch their current method and try something new would be risky and costly. Starbucks however, is looking for new and innovative ways to expand their business, and isn't afraid to risk a little on something that may have big payoffs.

      Oh, wait... was that a rhetorical question?

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  4. Size/Price? by xOleanderx · · Score: 4, Funny

    I look forward to buying a Venti cd.

  5. An idea that's long overdue by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always said that instead of selling tangible product, the music industry needs to shift to a content/service model. All they need to do is put up kiosks where you can insert a CD blank and your credit card, pick from an on-screen catalog, and have the kiosk burn you a copy (and maybe print you the liner notes, and spit out a jewel case, for a couple bucks more).

    Of course, I imagine that the music industry would want your copy of the content to be encrypted or otherwise digitally crippled so that you couldn't do what you wanted with it. The real advancement in intellectual property law and consumer rights will come when they offer to let you buy a "no strings attached" license for the content for a buck or two more, which permits you to copy/transform the content as many times/ways as you want, as long as it's for your own non-profit personal use.

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  6. Core Starbucks Customer?? by g33kgirl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    'Schultz and MacKinnon came to believe that the core Starbucks customer, an affluent 25- to 50-year-old who's likelier to be tuned in to NPR than to MTV or one of the nine gazillion radio stations owned by Clear Channel Communications Inc., probably feels ignored by the music industry.'

    What Starbucks are they looking at? The few times I've been in a Starbucks, it's been full of dumb teenagers humming Brittney Spears songs. It's not like the stuff they're promoting isn't mainstream anyway. It's just a different branch of mainstream.

    Show me a Starbucks where they play Mineral, Freakwater, or Belle and Sebastian, and I'll be impressed.

    (On a slightly related note: one of the funniest things I have ever seen was at a Starbucks in St. Louis, MO, where I went to college. A bunch of punk kids (15-18 years old, I'd guess), with their anarchy patches and bright colored mohawks, were sitting outside the local Starbucks, happily sipping their corporate-whore coffee. I laughed my ass off. Ah, the irony.)

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    1. Re:Core Starbucks Customer?? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What Starbucks are they looking at? The few times I've been in a Starbucks...

      Anecdotes != data. I'm sure Starbucks has spent millions determining their demographics.

    2. Re:Core Starbucks Customer?? by g33kgirl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can there be more than one "main" branch?

      Of course there are different branches of mainstream music. Pop, hip hop, country, punk, metal, etc. all have some artists who are mainstream, and some which are "edgy, eclectic well-kept secrets." If you just dislike my metaphor, I apologize. On reflection, it is a bit awkward.

      What I'm trying to say is that considerng Ella Fitzgerald and Lauryn Hill outside the mainstream seems silly to me. No, they're not all over the Top 40, but they aren't really unknown either.

      But, then, I worked in college radio, so perhaps my idea of "mainstream" is a bit skewed.

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    3. Re:Core Starbucks Customer?? by darth_abaddon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Show me a Starbucks where they play Mineral, Freakwater, or Belle and Sebastian, and I'll be impressed

      If your in Santa Monica, CA, your might want to to take a gander at the Hear Music/Starbucks store there. You can listen to any CD & read all the liner notes, while sipping down some outrageously expensive 3rd rate coffee.
      Love "Hear Music", hate "Starbucks".

  7. Selection, Quality, Price will make or break this by izx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has the potential to become another non-conventional music outlet like iTMS, but only if they do it right.

    The "NPR-not-MTV listener" they are catering to will have widely varying music tastes, not just the Top 40. How much of a selection will each Starbucks provide? Do they plan to have T1 linkups to a central server? If they work with local storage, then the source tracks will probably be already compressed tracks, affecting quality. I don't see each Starbucks having a half-terabyte RAID array to hold losslessly compressed originals.

    Secondly, price. This can be a one-stop-music-shop, catering not just to those who see it and burn/buy a CD on a whim. Since it doesn't offer any of the advantages of iTMS-style music downloads (instant transfer to computers, portables, etc.), they better price it at less than $0.99 a track. A fixed-price option, e.g. 1 80-minute CD for $12-$15 might be very popular.

    It's upto Starbucks to use its enormous geographical clout to negotiate a sweetheart deal with the recording industry, and make it as attractive to the customer as possible. Otherwise, with audio-CD only Discmans going the way of the dodo, and the growing popularity of iTMS-like solutions, this scheme will turn out at best to be a novelty.

  8. Fantastic, if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...they give you regular CDs with no dirty DRM tricks. MP3s, and goofey DRM is are deal killers that make me think of McDonald's stupid Bigmac tunes through Sony's DRM and Windoze only SonicStage. I'm sure that's not the image they have in mind. If it won't work in a regular CD player, I no more want it than a Bigmac.

    I hate Starbucks but Schultz and MacKinnon are 100% correct. Here in Baton Rouge we have several shops that purchase, blend and roast their own coffee. Their coffee kicks Starbuck and typically cost less but good music is very attractive. I hate record stores more by a longshot than I hate the home of a second rate $4.00 cup of coffee. A set up like this could make me love them.

    Now, if only they have the guts and brains to get away from RIAA label music, they would be my heros.

  9. Starbucks - the Wal-Mart of Coffee Shops... by geekwench · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is nothing new for Starbucks.
    Once upon a time, coffee shops sold coffee, tea, hot cocoa, and other drinkables. A few added various sweet pastries, like croissants, but that was about it. Then along comes the post-expansion Sign O' the Mermaid (it was once a little independent coffee shop, too).
    Suddenly, to keep up with the Seattle Menace, coffee shops must now sell all of the above as well as sandwiches, soup, coffee mugs, branded coffee makers, candy, books, gift cards... you get the idea. A small coffee shop that just wants to focus on the core product -- namely, coffee -- has to work hard to establish a niche in the neighborhood or close its doors. Most of them don't want to be multi-specialty retailers, and they shouldn't have to be.
    Starbucks now sells so many things that coffee is almost an afterthought. Think that won't affect the quality of the product? Do a taste-test with Starbucks versus one of the other chains out there. (Personal favorite: Diedrich's.) Even the lightest of Starbucks' roasts (most are pretty dark) comes off tasting acidic and rather burnt.

    So yeah: make room, if you want, alongside the logo-emblazoned travel mugs and Starbucks brand press-pots for "Mermaid Music Vols. 1" through infinity. I'll walk up the street to my local indie coffee shop and get cuppa joe that doesn't taste like muddy battery acid.

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  10. The three customers.. by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Funny

    who don't have their own MP3 player and/or laptop will probably appreciate this.

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  11. What's stopping the independents? by danharan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are a lot of cafes that are very hip, without the poseur stereotype associated with Starbucks. Many already offer free wireless and/or computer access.

    If this model was easy to implement, a lot of them would probably go for it. Maybe an enterprising slashdotter will take this on?

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  12. Suprisingly Interesting by Zcipher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I RTFA expecting to come out of it thinking "gee, brand dilution like this usually means the beginning of the end for companies." Instead, I was surprised to end up thinking what a neat idea this could be, if implemented correctly.

    I think I'm probably preaching to the choir here when I say that there are lots of songs out there that I like but so very few full albums that I want to own. Thus, the joy that is P2P and iTMS; combined with a cd burner, all the music I listen to in my car these days is mixed the way I want it to be, and in ways you'll never find on a commercial mix (try finding a CD with Nightwish, E Nomine, and L'Arc en~Ciel on it ^_^). So the idea of a mix cd with actual labelling and even liner notes is naturally fairly appealing. Simply put, it passes the "I'd give it a try" test.

    Three major questions that aren't answered in the article, though, which would be major deciding factors for me:

    • How varied is the selection? The article claims there's lots of tracks and implies that part of the appeal is the fact that it introduces people to lesser known stuff they won't be sold at major retailers, but how obscure are we talking? My main complaint with iTMS has been a lack of foreign music; I want my Nightwish and my Yuki Kajiura, dammit!
    • Are the CDs encumbered with spyware and copy protection? I want none of that garbage, and this would be a good source for legal music (especially if it could be ripped onto my computer in something nice and high bitrate)
    • What format/bitrate are the source tracks stored in? I don't want to make a mix CD only to discover that its source was all 128 kbps wma garbage, especially since, as mentioned above, re-ripping is a big selling point to me (and if it's not over 128 kbps, then since the price/convenience point is worse than iTMS, there's really no point).

    Nevertheless, I think this is a fairly neat idea; the current distribution models for music have left a lot of great stuff behind, so going back to a system where people can get recommendations and such is pretty cool. And the inclusion of the Audiogalaxy-esque "you might also like . . ." feature is just awesome; that was my favorite part of AG, and it's something I sorely miss.

  13. Re:I smell desperation... by tekunokurato · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What are you TALKING about?? SBUX has EPS of 80+ cents and growing, and its cash flows from operations dwarfs its (still extremely positive) net income; it's been sinking cash from operations INTO expansion, not somehow relying on expansion to fuel cash flow, which really doesn't make ANY sense at all. Jesus christ, you're insane.