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Video Chat Via Transparent Desktop Overlay

Jason0x21 writes "Wired News has an article about UNC Comp. Sci. researchers developing a transparent desktop overlay for video conferencing, allowing remote coworkers to literally point and interact with things on your screen. The researchers say that Apple's Quartz graphics engine let them go from idea to prototype in 'about 45 minutes'. Windows versions predicted in the future."

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  1. Similar piece of tech... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of my favorite pieces of technology I've ever gotten a chance to play with is the SmartBoard Interactive Whiteboard It's a whiteboard that's touch-sensative. Basically, combine it with your favorite projection monitor and you've got a 60 inch touchscreen monitor. Just like any other touch screen, anywhere you tap the board is treated like a mouseclick in whatever application you're using. As an added bonus, "magic crayons" (really nothing more than plastic styluses) are at the bottom of the board. When the board detects one of the pens removed from its holder, it treats all touches as requests to draw on the screen.

    It's a great presentation tool to liven up a powerpoint and avoid the need to have to walk accross the room to get the next frame. Furthermore, playing solitare with foot-high cards is quite fun. :)

    1. Re:Similar piece of tech... by TastyWords · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Windows version will be done three months from now. Then Guido, dispatched from the Microsoft office will pay you a "visit" to sell it to them "or else".

  2. Mac ahead of Windows on graphics, again... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows has had the ability to draw transparent windows since 2000. However, there's a limit to how far they can go.

    Particularlly, you can't do any blending against windows that are being drawn with DirectX/DirectDraw which is the way that any program that wants to approach full-motion video or 3D graphics has to do things. And that's what prevents Windows from handling this application.

    Mac's OSX is a lot cleaner in this department because in their universe there are no exceptions to the rules... everything passes through Quartz, so there's a chance to capture and play with anything on the screen. DirectX and DirectDraw are painted onto the screen after all mortal windows are drawn in Windows, and that's why there's no chance to add an overlay to them.

    1. Re:Mac ahead of Windows on graphics, again... by Rosyna · · Score: 4, Interesting

      From limited testing it seems that when a window is marked transparent in windows, it is composited into the display. But otherwise everything is non-compositing. This, in my experience, causes huge problems when fully opaque, non-layered windows are set atop a transparent one. Windows will often draw the old image while dragging the transparent window.

      This is especially noticeable if you make a window transparent, then open the Task Manager (always on top) and drag the transparent window around. Very ugly..

      And I haven't seen any way to make specific controls on Windows transparent alone or the window transparent alone (and leaving the controls opaque.

    2. Re:Mac ahead of Windows on graphics, again... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Window using D3D can fade in and out... but try dragging a transparent window from another process on top of it and suddenly things won't be so pretty.

  3. Story text in case of /.ing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    ollaborating with co-workers in the same office is painful enough, but it's nigh impossible over a network.

    For a couple of decades, researchers have tried to blend shared workspaces -- systems that allow two or more people to work on the same document -- with Internet video-conferencing systems, with little success.

    Now researchers at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have designed a new system that cleverly blends a video-conference feed with a transparent image of a computer desktop into one full-screen window.

    Called Facetop, the system simultaneously transmits a video feed of users along with a shared, transparent image of the desktop. It allows two colleagues to work on the same document, Web page or graphic, while communicating face to face.

    The system also tracks the position of the users' fingertips, which can control a cursor. As well as operating the shared desktop -- opening and closing files or selecting text, for instance -- the collaborators can use natural pointing gestures to communicate ideas about the document.

    Developed by David Stotts, an associate professor of computer science, and graduate student Jason Smith, Facetop was conceived for collaborative tasks like programming or editing text. But the researchers say it has obvious uses in other areas such as medical imaging or remote teaching.

    "So far, from the feedback we've received, it works fantastically," said Smith. "It's a very natural interaction. You can see the facial expressions and all the nuances of face-to-face communication."

    "It's spectacular technology," said Robert Gotwals, associate director of Chapel Hill's Morehead Planetarium and Science Center, who saw a demonstration of an early version. "I've done lots of video-conferencing work. This is pretty cutting edge. It's a fast-moving field and the stuff David (Stotts) is doing is pretty cool."

    The system can also be used for delivering lectures or PowerPoint presentations: The speaker is projected in the background of the document allowing her to point out bullet points or important passages. According to Smith, users easily switch attention between the subject and the desktop.

    "The brain is really good at picking out what part of the screen the person is interested in," said Smith. "It's like being in a room full of conversations but having no trouble paying attention to only one.... People adapt to the system really naturally."

    Facetop may also be used to as an alternative to the mouse, for controlling a machine simply by pointing with a finger.

    The system is implemented in Mac OS X and is made possible largely by the system's Quartz rendering engine, which can make any part of the interface transparent. Thanks to Quartz, a quick prototype was whipped up in about 45 minutes, Smith said.

    A PC version will likely be delayed until the release of Longhorn, the next major version of Windows, due in 2006, which will include a similar graphics subsystem.

    The system is fairly inexpensive; it has been implemented on a pair of Apple PowerBooks and two $100 FireWire cameras. So far it has been tested only on Ethernet networks and not the Internet, though the researchers say there's no reason it shouldn't work just fine. They are also trying to hook it to Apple's iChat instant-message/video-conferencing software and other similar systems.

    Facetop was initially developed for "pair programming," an increasingly popular form of collaborative coding that pairs programmers in teams of two: one to program, the other to suggest and correct. Stotts said programmers normally sit next to each other, and he has been interested for some time to see whether they could collaborate over the Internet.

    According to Stotts, pair programming -- sometimes called extreme programming -- is fast and effective and is becoming increasingly popular for small projects.

    The idea for Facetop occurred to Stotts and Smith accidentally. Instead of a computer monitor, Stotts projects his

  4. Prior research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had an internship at DoE lab outside of Chicago, Argonne Natl. Laboratory, at which we worked on a project similar to this. The system allowed multiple users (of various geographic, or digital distances) to connect to a Desktop Server, on which all users could interact with icons, windows and programs in tandem as if they interfacing with a local deskptop in windows. Althou, we used BeOS as our platform because it had a small footprint. Interesting that three years later private companies have out-done the DoE's work. Sad.

  5. actual project link by Potlucker · · Score: 5, Informative

    here's an Endeavors article about the project at UNC

    FaceTop

  6. ...sgub emos llits s'erehT by pyrrhonist · · Score: 4, Funny
    allowing remote coworkers to literally point and interact with things on your screen.

    !siht ekil skool gnihtyreve weiv fo tniop rieht morf ,yletanutrofnU

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    1. Re:...sgub emos llits s'erehT by Jason+Smith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope, that's a misconception we're seeing pop up from time to time. This is not like standing on either side of a pane of glass... this is like sitting side by side with the other user.

      I just put up a stupidly simple FAQ of sorts at http://www.cs.unc.edu/~smithja/facetop/index.html and will be updating it this morning.

  7. Talk about an uber-trojan by dbc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, let's say those clever folks over at whatever-Gator-calls-themselves-now gets the brilliant idea that they could download one of them thar transparent-overlay-thingies whenever you browse to random-evil-webpage. Then, whoosh! They can sell remote access to your desktop so that advertisers can move all the annoying icons out of the way so that you can see the advertising more clearly. Or whatever. An since the overlay is transparent, the user can't figure out what is happening and simply thinks their system is posessed by the devil.

  8. Heaven Forbid! by ThePDW · · Score: 5, Funny

    Heaven forbid that people should actually have to talk to each other face to face!

  9. Only 10 years behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This concept was extensively researched by Hiroshi Ishii and his team between 1991 and 1994 while he was at NTT.

    I saw the concept videos in my HCI class at the time. They went through all the various issues of pointing alignment, video flipping and the like.

    1. Re:Only 10 years behind by Jason+Smith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, it is similar, but with three critical differences:

      1) ClearBoard's conceptual model was two people standing on either side of a pane of glass. Ours is a much simpler view... two people sitting side by side. We have no issues requiring us to flip document content for instance. It is a small but important difference in how it drives the implementation.

      2) ClearBoard required expensive and cumbersome hardware. FaceTop requires a $100 FireWire camera. Well, and a Mac. ;)

      3) ClearBoard was designed to be integrated with specific applications. FaceTop becomes an input device, much like a mouse replacement, and thereby can work with any application on your system. We generalized it out, and it became much more powerful.

  10. Screenshots by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fine, i'll do Slashdot and Wired's jobs for them:

    Screenshots

  11. Peak Performance by IanDanforth · · Score: 4, Informative
    If anyone can appreciate this reference its slashdot. Facetop: The Next Generation

    -Ian

  12. Go figure by Bouncing+Castle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Business to business relationships have already become so depersonalised. This is just the next logical step - advancing technology that allows people to sit on their chairs to help other people. Heaven forbid that you would have to get up from your desk to help somebody!

  13. Adding 3D to it? by krahd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps this kind of überchatting software is THE place where they can use those 3D desktop environments / window managers.

    I don't really know if it would be useful, but perhaps it is cool to lean a window so you can see your partner while keeping an eye on the app content.

    Anyway, beeing so far from the world as *I* am (yep, there are places on the south of the globe), where the bandwidth is kinda expensive, i can tell that i'll not be using this kind of technology for a while...

    --krahd

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  14. Re:Where are the screenshots? by cujo_1111 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Looks like a reflection, rather than a transparent window.

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  15. Hmm... by el_flynn · · Score: 5, Funny

    One possible feature for them to implement: one party can "flip the bird" to restart the whole session (as opposed to ALT-F4 or CTRL-C or whatever), thus giving new meaning to "Giving your co-worker the finger" for bad suggestions.

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  17. Hey all, one of the co-inventors here with a FAQ. by Jason+Smith · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seeing some misconceptions, tossed up a quick FAQ at http://www.cs.unc.edu/~smithja/facetop/index.html for your perusal.

    I'll be adding material to it through the morning as issues pop up, but these are the ones we've seen the most of this weekend.

  18. Re:How does this work with the camera facing you? by Jason+Smith · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the camera can be anywhere, as long as you're in the field of view.

    As for ease of use, it literally takes people about two seconds to calibrate their hand motions to the cursor movement, and they're off and running. It's exactly like you're standing in front of a mirror (assuming the camera is in front of you), and gesturing... the visual feedback you get from your own image is the key. The transparency lets you see both your 'reflection' and the document content simultaneously.

    Don't worry, we're seeing a lot of people confusing the single-user mode (one head on screen) with the video-conferencing mode (two heads on screen), simply because they're not used to video conferencing including themselves.

  19. Re:what about your background? by Jason+Smith · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, our experiments have found that it really doesn't matter.

    First off, the translucency is adjustable. Looks too cluttered? Make it more faint. Secondly, it's much like being in a room full of conversations at a party - you select particular conversations to pay attention to, and the rest just 'fade away'. In this case, when the user turns their attention to the document content, they don't notice the video, and when they concentrate on the video (either for hand motions or interaction with a remote user), the document content is ignored. The brain is much better at this sort of thing than most people realize.

  20. Re:45 minutes? Isn't that more cocoa? by Jason+Smith · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sadly, no. Forty-five minutes was about the time it took me to write the initial proof of concept, not the full application. (That included reading the documentation on various APIs.)

    But yes, Cocoa made it much easier to do so.

  21. Re:Where are the screenshots? by Jason+Smith · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'll take that as a compliment on our making it look like you're standing in front of a mirror.

    That's rather the *point*.

    Trust me, it would have been much easier to take a picture of a reflection on the screen surface than develop the bloody thing. ;)