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PC Magazine Reviews Firefox, Opera

prostoalex writes "PC Magazine reviews Mozilla Firefox 0.9.1 and Opera 7.51, noting: 'Security concerns aren't the only reason to seek an alternative [to Internet Explorer]. IE's slow rendering engine and dearth of privacy features may plant the thought in some iconoclastic minds that it may not be the best browser for everyone.' 4 stars for Firefox and 3.5 for Opera, so looks like a Firefox win, although the editors do point out FF's troubles with DHTML as well as Opera issues with JavaScript."

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  1. User-Agent stats? by Exmet+Paff+Daxx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Has anyone been tracking Firefox/Mozilla in the User-Agent stats for a large site to see if it is truly pulling browsershare from IE? The last mention we had from the Slashdot admins was that Slashdot was 90% Internet Explorer, is this on the decline? Are these stats publicly available?

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    1. Re:User-Agent stats? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      User-Agent stats are pretty much meaningless for Firefox, unless you include pages that say "This page only supports Mozilla Firefox" in the statistic -- many people browse using firefox with the UA set to IE so they can access the sites that would otherwise lock them out.

    2. Re:User-Agent stats? by SLot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While not a large site (5000-10000 hits per month) , I'm seeing 1.6, 1.4 & 1.7 mozilla references in the top ten user-agents for the first time in two years. To go from no instances to three of the top 10 in one month made me happy.

  2. Go Firefox Go by ErikRed1488 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Being the resident tech guy in my family and circle of friends, I'm tasked with supporting all their computers. I do it free of charge for my family and work for beer when it comes to friends. With all the malware that infects Windows PCs through Internet Explorer I've been quite busy. I finally decided to install Firefox on all their PCs. As a condition of ongoing support, they must continue to use Firefox. Since I've institued this policy, they far happier with their online experience, no pop-ups, almost no ads (Adblocker rules!), and it's faster. Not only that, but my time supporting their PCs has gone down to almost nothing.

    Now that the Mozilla Foundation is a 501(c)3 organization I think I may have to insist that the family/friends make a little donation.

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  3. Does MS really care anymore? by Mitleid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm curious; Microsoft has really given up on IE development over the past few years. The last major release was version 6, and that was well over 3 years ago to the best of my recollection. Could it be that MS no longer sees web browsers as a viable resource for their future strategy? I really have no speculation on what they might have up their sleave, but MS hasn't been one to necessarily drop the ball like this. From a security standpoint, one could say they really screwed the pooch, but as far as releasing a snazzy new version or anything to gloss over the problems under the hood, they've kept their hands off.

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    1. Re:Does MS really care anymore? by leperkuhn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well they worked on it till they had a browser monopoly, then due to simple economics, stopped working on it. I believe that is one of the fundamental problems with monopolies, sort of like communism.

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  4. Faster and More secure by dhartman · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I have a few clients who had previously insisted on remaining with IE because "it works best with the other Microsoft programs". However, when I removed the latest pile of spyware/adware and insisted that they at least TRY Firefox they had nothing but good things to say. Their 13 year old even says that "Hey dad, this is like waayy faster than IE". There have only been a few sites which 'require' IE (some due to incompetent web page coders who determine on their own that "this page won't render correctly with Mozilla", then block access using Javascript).

    Linux might not be ready for general public acceptance on their desktop, but using Open Source software such as Firefox, Open Office etc is the first step towards that acceptance. If you don't NEED Windows to run a program, it becomes alot easier to switch the underlying OS.

  5. my only problems with firefox by spacerodent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the only downside to firefox I've found are problems with web sites designed ONLY to work with IE. I've only had the problem with a few web sites and hopfully as firefox gets more well known and excepted people will stop that kind of stupidity.

  6. It's only a matter of time... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before FireFox becomes the target off major exploits. Hopefully Firefox will stand up against it, and the Open source world will respond as fast as expected.

  7. Re:"IE's slow rendering engine" WTF? by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For one, IE does rendering many times VERY BAD.

    CSS is nearly non-existant.
    PNG, whats that? Alpha colors, we dont do em!
    And then there's just plain rendering inconsistencies. What you see is NOT what you get!!

    Mozila hopes to implement the STANDARDS, not be super-fast. After all, computers will just get faster as time goes on. Why not do it correct and not as fast. Its the Unix Way.

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  8. Re:Alright Mozilla by gmack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In all fairness there is one other site that makes good use of ActiveX: housecall.antivirus.com.

    It's great when you need to quickly scan a customer machine without installing anything or running updates on whatever happens to be there already.

    I don't think 2 useful sites justify that travasty of a feature though.

  9. Work computers by billybob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You of course are forgetting to realize that many of us are FORCED to use Windows and IE in our work environments. And how could one let the day go by without catching up on the latest slashdot news at least several times during your 8 hours of hell? :)

    PS - I'm posting this from work :)

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  10. Re:Proof is in the Pudding by horza · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If there's one thing that I couldn't fault IE on is the fact that it actually displays pages pretty fast.

    For me it's far slower than Firefox. And every modern browser has gone backwards in my opinion from the original browsers which had progressive table rendering. I'm sick of waiting for ages for a page to render just because the designer put the whole page in one large table. It's not too difficult, even 10 years ago I've seen complex deeply nested tables rendering progressively in real-time... and this is on 10 year old hardware.

    Phillip.