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Oracle To Add R&D Centers In China
stoborrobots writes "Reuters is reporting that the big O is planning to open new R&D centres in china. Initially aiming at the domestic Chinese market, there is potential to resell the technologies developed beyond the borders... Is this the next wave of outsourcing?"
Yes.
My blog
... We are foolish not to use all our sway to move to Open Source solutions in our companies and to develop Open Source Software.
OSS is no longer an ideology, it is fiscal self defense for programmers and IT professionals in general. Open Source allows us to start our own businesses offering support and design services without the middle man of large software companies that will always seek to downsize us to cheaper people.
I'm sure others may disagree, but this is the way I see things.
The US has some fairly daunting nuclear non-proliferation export controls on software and hardware to nations such as China. Larry Ellison, a heavy contributor to the Democratic Party, might be encountering difficulty in obtaining the necessary export licenses, so maybe this is a workaround for those export controls.
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American companies having been doing this for decades. Those 'Made in China' stickers you always see on American-bought electronics don't lie...
from Chinese workers stealing their intellectual property and using it in China, or worse, in a Chinese company coming back to compete against Oracle in the States?
Just a question.....
--- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
That's a much bigger deal than just outsourcing. It says alot about how clever Oracle thinks those from the US are.
Perhaps too many grow up thinking they ought to be playing tennis or being musicians. Those are the most important people, right?
Those are the images the media gives them, so it must be true.
Interestingly enough, the Ashkenazi Jews from around Germany and Poland have the highest IQ of any ethnicity: about 115.
It's ironic that Hitler could have won the war through superior technology had he not tried to rid the country of it's best and brightest.
for whom 'big O' is NOT oracle but something else ;-)
The highest average IQs are found among ...
Care to give us your source? If you make such claims without any proof, don't be suprised if you are called a racist.
AC is my identity
sadly, the average IQ of people who believe statistics like this is only 45. (you believe me, don't you?)
Jeez folks, get out of this recent small-town myopia about outsourcing. You can do better than that. Dell's a good example of how excellent US industry can be if you shrug off yesterday's models and try to be genuinely different and quality-focussed, instead of regressive and protectionist.
If you complain about outsourcing you're merely buying into politician's agendas, effectively giving them an easy platform of "Vote for me and I will protect your jobs". Make great stuff and you don't need protectionism. And if you really value a free market, restrictions should be the last thing on your minds anyway.
The world is a tiny place now, you shouldn't be thinking about "keeping jobs at home" any more than you'd think about extracting all your raw materials from home too. That's not today's world. You can't compete on the basis of labour cost, that should be obvious; you need to be better.
Globalization of both the markets and the production has been immense in recent decades, and no megacorp can afford to chain itself down with yesterday's small-town views nor barriers against free flow of resources.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
the best and brightest would not have participated in the war in the first place. ..although manipulation makes anything possible.
Oracle outfits companies around the globe. They advertise themselves as a global company. If they open local office, it's hardly outsourcing.
If my company in New Zealand, or Canada, or wherever, made a billion dollars in the states, and decided it was time to open up a US office,would be out sourcing? Don't be so fucking greedy.
What protection does Oracle have from Chinese workers stealing their intellectual property and using it in China, or worse, in a Chinese company coming back to compete against Oracle in the States?
Hopefully, no protection whatsoever.
Oracle competes on excellence and through continuous improvement and customer satisfaction. The day that they call for protectionism is the day that they've started resting on their laurels and deserve to die.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
If you've ever had to create an Oracle application with support for Chinese you know that it's quite an ordeal. The core of the database just isn't suited for a language that, among other things, doesn't have spaces.
It makes perfectly sense to open an R&D department in China, since there's a huge market there, and of course Oracle wants to fully support chinese.
Underholdning.info
the 'big Oh' notation in computer science. What were you thinking about :-p ?
Also, even in the worst case, I doubt if Oracle would be bothered by any new startup Chinese company that sells database products. Those who buy closed-source products go for brand name - Oracle/MS etc and those who go for open source dont give a rat's ass for anything apart from Postgres, MYSQL, BerkeleyDB etc.
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People fear outsourcing, but the powers that be say "Nah! Don't worry about that. See the Chinese and the Indians will only do what they're good at which is mindless repetitive labor, and we Americans will what we're good at which is innovating!" That argument hasn't been working, and it's obvious why. It's a simplisitc attempt to appeal jingoism and racism. Implicit in that argument is "They're too stupid to do thinking jobs, not like us." That's bullshit, and this move by Oracle proves it.
The other myth about "free trade" is that it's all or nothing. You have to let companies import and outsource everything, otherwise you're economy will tank. That has never been the case, and it never will be.
It's total bullshit. Just more of the same from the people crapflooding Wiki with articles about the "superiority" of the Jews.
And before you mod me down (Score:-1, Anti-Semitic), let me point out that I'm a born-and-bred, practising Jew.
These Jewish Master Race fuckwads are at least as bad as any meathead Aryan type. They almost make me too embarrassed to admit my ethnicity and religion.
The term "Big O" is used in the article description but instead of referring to an orgasm, it refers to a software company.
Actually MaxDB (ex-SAP DB) has been adopted by MySQL and will have all features that you want.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You've never used Oracle, have you?
The day that they call for protectionism is the day that they've started resting on their laurels and deserve to die.
They've been resting on their laurels for a long time now. Oh, the core database product is good enough. But the little bits around the edges that make a polished product are just completely absent with Oracle. It comes across as an amateurish and half finished program. And given that they've had 20 years and billions of dollars to get it right, there really is no excuse for that.
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
Huh? If I broke into Oracle, took all of their code and posted it all over the internet, you think Oracle wouldn't mind and wouldn't go after me?
You do realize that DB is only one of Oracle's products, right? They also have full-scale ERP and CRM solutions, for example.
Dell operates on the same model as McDonald's. They do a little QC on the cheapest crap they can get their hands on and advertise. Most people, it seems, have been happy eating "downer cows". That and an economy built on pure service might be good enough for you, but I want the freedom to do more.
If you complain about outsourcing you're merely buying into politician's agendas ... Make great stuff and you don't need protectionism. And if you really value a free market, restrictions should be the last thing on your minds anyway.
No, I don't buy it and yes I demand free markets.
The real protectionism is in "IP" laws. Restrictive licensing prevents people from actually rating Oracle's databases so comparison is impossible. Worse, I can't compete against Oracle if they get a bunch of bogus software patents. It is only that kind of government protection that makes the logistic headaches of outsourcing possible. In a free economy, most of the current big dumb companies would have been toppled by smaller smarter competition long ago.
As it is, the big dumb companies survive and feed off each other. The average American worker continues to suffer M$ desktops, mergers and layoffs while their overpaid executives pad their salaries with bonuses from all the money they have "saved" by eliminating their competition, auction proceeds and offshoring. The whole thing is a crock and represents the end of a long corporate looting spree.
The "service" economy was a lie. The US will quickly become a backwater if it fails to make things other people want. Some people were dumb enough to think that we could simply provide the world with "brains". The definition of "brains" is swiftly being reduced to ownership of ideas that citizens of other countries are increasingly having.
The ownership strategy is ultimately bankrupt. It amounts to enslavement of the rest of the world, a very unAmerican idea to begin with. It's also impractical. Our ability to level ownership taxes will die as other countries inherit and improve our former technical excellence.
The hogs running US mega corp and the US government could care less. They are getting theirs while the rest of us are getting the shaft.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Who cares about a crap closed-source database?
Crap? Before you sound off about a product you should make an effort to have even the vaguest notion of what you are talking about. Those of us that work with databases professionally know and appreciate what the likes of Oracle can do for us that the current OSS alternatives simply cannot. I would love to see a free and open database be able to compete with Oracle on a terrabyte scale but we simply aren't there yet.
It's ok to be an OSS fan, but for the love of god stay grounded, man!
I've often thought about why the most famous scientists in the world were Jewish .... The more I think about it , the Darwin theory seems more probable.
... (Love that book) ..
Evolutionary Pressure is what happens when you wipe out a huge amount of a species at the same time. When Hitler & Co wiped out a lot of Jews, the few Jews who were smart enough to see it coming escaped... And so on..
Generations of high evolutionary pressure on a once numerous species either kills them by interbreeding or makes them highly selected for survival. It is actually true that "Whatever doesn't kill you , makes you stronger" in an evolutionary timeframe.
Frank Herbert's Dune crystallises this idea in a far more dramatic way
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
Yes, I've seen the bad side of Oracle too, unfortunately. It gets pretty bad at times. I think they have too many managers now and not enough people that actually do things.
Well, if their best days are passed, then they should die. Propping up a dinosaur is in nobody's interest.
If your company made 600 jobs in another country, then fired everyone but a handful of lawyers and marketing people in your country, you could conclude that your company had moved your job overseas.
If your company also had a bunch of bogus patents and other "IP", your unemployment might be indefinite. Try a year or two of it and tell me I'm greedy.
Don't worry too much about it, though, New Zealand companies won't have the chance to screw you. The outsourcing game is based on IP ownership, ultimately backed by military might. If you can work as cheaply as Communist slave labor, your US IP masters will be happy to consume your life. What, you did not understand that "stronger" "IP protection" laws passed by the world's only superpower are not ultimately for the benefit of people in New Zealand? Think about it while you watch US movies, listen to US music and I get none from you, and when your PC BIOS will only run software owned in the US but written in India, China or New Zealand.
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Is it me or did they really just make a wikipedia entry to show Jews are smarter than everyone else?
Jews (even Akenazi or whatever you want to call them) are white people. If you're going to split them off so you can proclaim their intellectual superiority then please also include all the others, like Slavs, Nordics, Nebraskans, blah blah blah. What a bunch of tripe.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/List-of-c ountries-by-IQ
No, no it's not.
Outsourcing is hiring another company to do part of your work for you.
Opening a new branch or division or research centre is _not_ and never will be outsourcing, it's expanding. It's almost a polar oposite of outsourcing.
Perhaps you are confusing outsourcing with "hiring people that are not American"?
If that's what you mean, then say it.
Advanced users are users too!
people who inhabit r&d are people who, generally speaking, have been in the trenches, have at one point done the tedious job of actually coding the software and later moved to architecting it.
but as offshoring moves the tedious jobs overseas, there's less of a domestic training ground for people to work into the higher-level r&d positions from. and with fewer of these jobs available, there's a commensurate decline in people opting to study CS & CE disciplines at university, creating a vicious cycle that spells a grim fate for the future of western software r&d.
not that this is a bad thing per se, just a new thing. 'bad' depends upon your perspective(s).
"Most people think that China will be the "Next India" when it comes to IT/BPO, but there are lots of reasons why they won't be . . . "
all interesting facts, all (probably?) true, and all beside the point.
None of those facts matter to the people who make the outsourcing decisions. Price DOES matter.
Proof: all of your observed "advantages" of India (over China) are even more applicable to the locally-based programmers whose jobs are being outsourced. But those advantages haven't prevented their jobs being lost to the lowest bidder.
Furthermore, I'm not even sure that you're right about the Indian culture making for better programmers:
-- who invented gunpowder?
-- which of those two countries was the first to acquire nuclear weapons, long-range missiles, etc.?
-- which of those two **ethnic** groups has shown greater success in technology? (hint: think Taiwan)
-- and finally, what difference does language etc. make, when labor is so cheap that you can outsource virtually the entire I.T. department?
This entire "culture" thesis reminds me of how some WWII Americans said that Japanese would be inferior fighter pilots -- because their feet wouldn't reach the pedals.
WANing, again? the fruition of trustworthycomputing.com, at long last?
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-M
yikes almighty? haveN'T we seen enough? lookout bullow.
all is not lost?
consult with/trust in yOUR creators... conveying stuff that really matters... since/until forever. see you there?
For about half of the 185 nations that appear in the book, no studies are available. In those cases, the authors estimated by taking averages of the IQs of surrounding nations. For example, the authors arrived at a figure of 84 for El Salvador by averaging their calculations of 79 for Guatemala and 88 for Colombia.
Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
On culture-free IQ tests the Innuit or Eskimo usually rates the highest while the Ugandan rates the lowest (although the spread between the two groups is really quite small). The obvious reason: the inhospitable climate of the Innuit allows for little or no mistakes. All the Ashkenazi Jews I went to school with appeared to be gifted with photographic memories - something for which I always envied them.
Not to mention the forthcoming Narnia series.
OK, not exactly all NZ IP... so go and persuade the world to rent "Footrot Flats: A Dogs Tale" or "Came a hot Friday" and feel better :-)
Not quite anyone. At least one person can't.
That particular group - more so than even other groups of Jews - encouraged their rabbis (their most learned) to procreate as much as possible.
Compare Catholic Ireland's historically most learned - their clergy - who were encouraged NOT TO PROCREATE. Some obvious lessons to be learned - and not some "master race" rantings - but fundamental logical behaviors.......
A lot of people dismiss companies when they say the research pool is better overseas, but I think they're right. I'm sure anyone who's been through school recently remembers that (a) studying and getting good grades is hazardous to your social standing, and (b) there are very few American faces in advanced science programs.
If we ever want to regain our foothold in the research world, we have to import some of China/India/Japan's culture. Most kids in these cultures are pushed hard to study, and it's considered shameful to fail at something. I went through a bachelors program in science, and saw people who did nothing but study from the time they started school.
I propose the following: Split the school system into two tiers. One can be the elite educational track, where students are challenged. The other can babysit the "oxygen thieves" until they're 18. This way, both camps are happy.
Especially when it comes to China. Piracy of intellectual property is virtually ingrained into Chinese culture. Why anyone would want to develop IP in a country like that is beyond me. It certainly doesn't seem to be an idea that has been thoroughly thought out.
Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
When did the first wave end?
This!
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If you want to do business in China, you have to have a development arm in China to build your applications or your software. China is using their muscle to say, "Hey, Mr. Microsoft, or Hey, Mr. Borland, if you want to sell to our companies or our government, you have to be based here."
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Corrupted database? Not a bug
That's really freaky. That they have invested more time into writing tools and directions on how to recover a corrupted RPM database than into preventing it from becoming corrupted in the first place isn't very good.
Rod Taylor
I thought of the same thing, of course watching Giant Battling Robots would be pretty fun i do have to admit, now if only I could remember my past.....
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
Cisco's source was stolen long time ago by a Chinese firm that makes exact copies of their routers and runs Cisco's software on them.
I am working for one of the biggest Japanese Software Companies here in Tokyo (clue: world's fastest super computer) and the development phase of our current project is being outsourced to China simply because of cost. Not only that, they have been using Chinese development houses for some time, it seems. It make take a while for them to catch up in some areas, but the big companies are making the switch already.
.. and Oracle sure could use it. Perhaps the Chinese will *finally* make Oracle not be a pain to install and maintain.
It's almost laughable when you contrast Oracle with, say, Postgres. Apart from running the RPM command, all you have to do to get Postgres running publicly is edit two files in its config directory, one to turn on tcpip sockets and the other to tell it what authentication method to use. There's no monstrous pages out there with hundreds of errors comprising a very incomplete set of "how to deal with a few of the most common postgres installation problems" like there is with Oracle, for example.
Windmills do not work that way!
I'd like to annotate a bit...
1. Language. Most Indian languages are indeed Indo-European and interoperate well with English. Many millions, however, speak non-Indo-European Dravidian languages. I would say that educated Indians _and_ educated Chinese speak better English than English and American people, though, anyway...
2. I agree that India is very heterogenous. China, however, also retains some heterogeneity, and although that diversity is being wiped out at a great rate and with huge brutality, it will be a long time before everyone in China is Han, let alone until everyone in China speaks Mandarin (which seems to be the long-term goal).
3. In theory, China's dictatorship is scarier than India's democracy. In practise, though, they are both so corrupt as to be closer to just plain survival of the fittest than to any particular political ideal -- and furthermore, China's government has the power and will to enforce economic rules and controls when necessary (witness last year's anti-boom manoevres -- heaven forbid a Western government should try to actually fix problems).
Anyway, those were _my_ 2c. Going back to sleep now.
Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
The press release you link to states quite clearly that McDonalds does not allow the use of "downer" cows.
I used the McDonalds site for creditility. It is an admission on their part to a practice that every dairy farmer was aware of. Would you have believed me or some vegan site about it? It's also only fair of me to have been current and to give the devil his due, they no longer use "downer cows" It was news to me, but I'm not impressed nor does it make much difference about what I said.
Now their dairy cows have to be "ambulatory". The decision was made recently in response to media attention to mad cow disease. I doubt seriously this made a real quality difference as it still allows them to use ill dairy cows as long as they can walk into the knacker's wagon. The result tastes about the same to me. Processed fat and gristle, are you loving it yet?
In any case, I stand behind the analogy and the assertion that a pure "service" economy based on IP ownership is nonsense. The use of McDonalds was rhetorical, and designed to equate the skills required to "administrate" someone else's software to bugger flipping. There's more to it than that, of course, but it's not like you can use such skills to challenge Oracle, M$ or other software companies. The McDonald's worker, in this regard, is better equipped and more free than the administrator. I know people someone who has done very well creating food franchises. You may have heard of Rally's, Chart House and a few other of his creations. As far as I know, no one has yet patented business methods involved with food like they have with software. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before it's illegal to compete with McDonalds.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Americans shouldn't worry about IQ if last years beat the nation IQ test in the uk
results bare out for the USA.
The most interesting statistic was the one that compared IQ with income and surprisingly the highest Incomes were associated with the lowest IQ's (with the top earners with IQ's around 94) and the highest IQ's associated with the lowest incomes.
so you may be a lot smarter than your boss but he still makes way more than do.
can't find the stats for income on this years test but if you want to have a go...
test
I guess it explains GW Bush.
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Although I agree wholeheartedly with your comments about free markets, and staying ahead by staying competitive, I think you could perhaps be missing some of the details behind why Americans are no longer competitive with the rest of the world.
It's certainly not because Americans are lazy. A typical American family has both adults, and frequently their older children as well, working 60 or more hours a week. Each American family is putting over 100 hours of labor into the US economy. Americans have a tradition of hard work, so I don't think any other countries are clearly superior in that respect.
Americans are highly educated, and they have access to the finest universities the world has to offer. But more valuable than plain education is "know how". Being a large country, Americans tend to get experience and skills with things that you can't get in a classroom setting. So, I don't think Americans are any less intelligent or skilled than the rest of the world.
Americans are highly competitive people by nature. In fact, that competitive attitude is so ingrained in American's culture that they call it "The American Way" - If you want something, work harder than everyone else, and you will have it. So, I don't think Americans are resting on their laurels either.
So, if there's nothing wrong with Americans, why are they failing in the world market? For decades, the USA was top dog in nearly every conceivable category. Now, I'm hard pressed to think of anything that the USA can clearly do better than anyone else.
I believe the USA's problems are all tied to it's government. The taxes are too high compared to the benefit received, the economic waste is way, way too high, and you can't take poo without consulting a high priced lawyer to tell you what the government's opinion is. One other thing that is rapidly becoming another serious drain is that vast swaths of the USA population are either imprisoned, or unemployable, due to convictions (or only charges) of relatively minor crimes. Millions and millions of American people are either incarcerated, or they are free, but they cannot pass standard employment background checks. The USA imprisons more of it's own citizens than any other nation in the world. The economic costs for that alone can make or break the USA, since every dollar spent on punishing people is passed along by raising the cost of doing business with the USA.
In much the same way that, despite the USA's abilities, the USA is not clearly a world leader in anything anymore, I can't help but noticing that despite all the incredible wealth that even poor people in the USA possess, it's not clear to me that they live better than anyone else in other well-developed nations. In fact, from my travels, I've noticed that many people in other nations live just as good, and frequently better than typical Americans, even though they only need to have one member of their families working for 40 hours per week. And, obviously, any families that are working more than 40 hours per week, are living much more luxuriously.
So, where is the "wealth" going? Why aren't Americans getting anything in return for their labors? Why are Americans unable to compete on a price basis with non-Americans?
I believe the fault lies squarely with the government, be it local, or national. Nothing in American life is running as efficiently as it easily could. There's a more detailed posting on slashdot that gives an excellent example of how dramatically the USA has changed into an inefficient sloth, due to the continual expansion government regulations, specifically at the city level in this case.
I wouldnt go so far as to call what America has "culture". At least, not with a positive connotation.
There was an interesting article in the NY Times Magazine on Sun 4 Jul 2004. Ted Fishman says in "The Chinese Century": "The Chinese government knows that foreign tech companies can be coaxed into sharing technology and training in exchange for easier access to the Chinese marketplace. The World Trade Organization forbids formal bargains that demand international tech transfers, but it does not police winks and nudges."
really, it has failed? japan? germany? the united states? china? india? peru? hong kong? all countries that have opened their markets the global economy in the last 100 years and are richer because of it. these are all economies that have seriously boomed since they opened their economies to global markets. take a look a per capita incomes in those countries now versus before globalization. the populations are orders of magnitude richer now. did you know that 17% of americans in 1970 didn't have a refrigerator? now
I have read of many cases where a company will set up a sweat shop in one city, attracting labour from far and wide. Many people leave their farms and families because of severe drought and hardship, and flock to the city for a new chance.
why do you think people are willing to leave their farms and families? because they can actually make some money. maybe you'd prefer they all remain poor and destitute on their farms?
Then the company makes a deal with some other 3rd world country for even cheaper labour, and splits, leaving these tens of thousands of people to rot.
you mean in the same way that the steel industry left america and americans rotted? you mean the same way the cotton industry left america and americans rotted? take a look at history. industries die out all the time. do you really wish we had subsidized and protected the cotton gin producers so we could still have those jobs around?
the world is changing and i can't imagine why you want it to stay in one place. companies can't ever move? industries can never die out? you want all wages to go up regardless of demand for that particular job? thats not a market. thats the Soviet Union.
Coca Cola, Pepsi, Mc Donalds, KFC
You have franchises instead.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
The reason you don't know about any Indian inventions is because you must be American, and have never seen it on Fox News.
That attitude (and others that I see on your blog) isn't going to get you very far in life. And if you form your view of foreigners from shallow stereotypes, well, pot meet kettle?
On second thought, keep it up ... forget I said anything. That attitude will help you immensely in international competition ;) Yeah, that's it ...
It's all improving the Chinese economy, increasing their wages, creating markets for products which *you* make.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
The most interesting statistic was the one that compared IQ with income and surprisingly the highest Incomes were associated with the lowest IQ's (with the top earners with IQ's around 94) and the highest IQ's associated with the lowest incomes.
Source? (And the link to the test is not a source, since I could not find any reference to your statement.)
china? india? peru? hong kong?
You've got to be kidding, right?
These places are the WORST examples you could have used. They are stuctured much like your own country ( I trust you are a proud American, right? ). There is a 5% elite class that own everything, that buy everything, that control everything. Then there is the rest of the people ( 95% for the American among us ) that live in the factories or in makeshift shelters just outside the factories. They process our toxic waste, recycle our electronic equipment ( that has many poisonous materials, including lead ), have NO possessions, and live under constant fear of their police and government. That's some example you've got there. Good for the 5% mentioned earlier though.
why do you think people are willing to leave their farms and families?
No. Because they are forced to. The US will typically help in this 'forcing', too. The World Bank and the IMF will pressure the host government to implement 'structural adjustments' that leave large sections of the population unemployed and without any form of safety net. The US is also often involved because of their ties to local militia and involvement in civil wars that leave the country in ruins. People leave their farms because they are forced to.
do you really wish we had subsidized and protected the cotton gin producers so we could still have those jobs around?
No. Read my post. I said the exact opposite. Literacy problem?
the world is changing and i can't imagine why you want it to stay in one place. companies can't ever move? industries can never die out?
Again, read my post. I have nothing wrong with companies 'moving' as you so lightly put it. It's just that they need to take some responsibility for the welfare of the people who they've been exploiting to receive all those tasty profits.
you want all wages to go up regardless of demand for that particular job? thats not a market. thats the Soviet Union
Oh my. A cheap shot at socialism by pointing to the Soviet Union. And you even managed some capital letters this time! At no point in the Soviet Union's socialist history did wages go up regardless of demand for a particular job. And lets not confuse true socialism with the disaster that Stalin made of the USSR. They were actually doing quite well until he came along.
Your entire posts smacks of a selfish little brat who would take absolutely no responsibility for the consequences of their actions. That's understandable for someone coming from a country run by the likes of George Dubya Bush. I just hope you come from the US, otherwise you've got some catching up to do.
So the clergy passes off as "learned" these days. Hmmmm!! And I thought blind faith is the opposite of wisdom.
Great new, Oracle source DVDs will finally retail on Shanghai software stalls for an affordable 50 cents/copy :)
Finally! Oracle source code DVDs for 50cents/copy, anyone? :)
(Disclaimer: By no means should I be considered affiliated with any of those Shanghai software stalls)
Oracle won't be lonely with AMD, Intel, Microsoft and IBM over there as well.
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It doesn't matter where you steal someone's copyrighted material (if that country is a Berne Treaty signatory), you can't import it into the US. Many US corporations actually fight importation of goods created through a license in a foreign country. A Chinese company recently copied the entire design of a Ford sedan and started manufacturing it. They would not be able to export it to the US if they violated a single patent much less copying the whole car.
Jew and Arab are both SEMITE. (by definition).
Jews and Arabs suffer from the same genetic
diseases, have the same nose and facial
structures and use semitic languages (hebrew,
arabic). Some have acquired whitish skin
colors thru migration to Europe but genetically
they remain semites.
Europeans and Indians are INDO-EUROPEAN (those
countries and peoples that speak indo-european
languages, write left to right and have Indo
European genes). Skin color has little to do
with genetic traits, in fact skin color varies
widely and is the first to change based on
local environmental conditions. In addition,
all Indo-European societies use the hooked
cross (called hakenkreuz in german and
swastika in hindi/sanskrit). The swastika,
shubhtika and laltika are still the holiest and
most common symbols in India.
content gets updated some stuff gets dropped,what can i say. I looked for that stat too, and I did say I couldnt find a source for the stat. but i do remember reading it last year.
Having a relatively high IQ and low income does mean some things stick in your mind longer than others.
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okay I have just spent some time looking for the link to that stat
however this is all I could find.
the original bbc link is gone but here
http://web.archive.org/web/20030621085159/http:
Salary
non-earner 107
below £20,000 104
£20,000 - £30,000 101
£30,001 - £50,000 99
£50,000 + 93
so as you see i wasn't mistaken in my recollection
Blarney Quality Restaurant, Plants
I wonder why they didn't include those results on the current table:u lts/resu lts_table.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/testthenation/iq/res
In any case, everything else I've seen has argued against that conclusion. For example, I had read that college students have an average IQ which is higher than non-college students. Also, college students (on average) earn more than non-college students. In order for these facts to be true along with the fact that IQ is inversely proportional to income, I would have to expect that the dumbest college students were making the most money (thus bringing up the average income of college grads while bringing up the average income of low-IQ people simultaneously.) I also wonder if these results were somehow flawed (maybe people who have low-IQs tend to lie and say they make 50,000+, which is entirely possible since all these numbers are self-reported and unverified -- or maybe the information was compiled incorrectly by the BBC and then removed because they realized they calculated it incorrectly).
So how does the U.S. company stay in business? It can't keep funding innovation and R&D without revenue from sales. It outsources to China, and the American worker is now unemployed.
Your reply isn't self-consistent. By your own reasoning, the company that out-sourced made a collosal profit in that round, by saving 3/4 (some say 9/10) of the costs it would have had at home. That represents income for the next round of R&D, and so on.
The fact that the employment profile of the company changed is immaterial. Companies change all the time, and employees move around all the time. The US certainly doesn't suffer from a "company jobs for life" attitude like some other countries did. Going out and finding another job, or indeed creating your own small business, is very much The American Way.
In contrast, suggesting that companies should work like communes and look after the job continuity of their employees regardless of market conditions is hilariously out-of-place. It constitutes wilful neglect of company profitability, and ultimately results in total loss of all those jobs anyway.
Your post above was well thought out, and the previous one you referenced was as well. Very depressing. If this is so then the US has no way out, and over the next decade or two will become an industrial backwater.
I can't think of any way in which the hugely thick layer of unproductive lawyers that are smothering the US's ability to compete can be eliminated. After all, that self-serving crud is both the ear and the right hand of the alleged guardians, and it would not accept its own demise.
Despite that though, the system works well for the megacorps. This suggests that there will be a huge gulf opening up between those that benefit and those that don't. Huge gulfs end in civil war. Well, Americans do at least have guns so all is not lost, ultimately there is a way out.
Europe may not be so lucky.