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VoIP Questioned

87C751 writes "C|Net is carrying a very FUDdy story on the downside of VoIP telephony. Alongside the reasonable point of 911 dialing being unavailable during service and power outages, the writeup mentions broadband over power lines as a possible solution to the power failure problem. (talk about your cognitive dissonance!) It also notes that VoIP customers may not be listed in the local phone book, causing problems with "major fast food companies" (do they mean pizza deliveries?), and that Tivo requires a POTS line for initial setup (which sounds like Tivo's problem, not VoIP's)."

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  1. I'm not convinced of VoIP yet... by mbottrell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems VoIP is still in it's infancy...

    I'll be waiting for it to move out of Gen-1 status to the Gen-2 or Gen-3 devices.

    What amazes me is the lack of talk regarding the security of these devices...

    1. Re:I'm not convinced of VoIP yet... by tdemark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What amazes me is the lack of talk regarding the security of these devices

      Yeah, because the security of cell phones and cordless phones is so rock solid.

      Almost nobody cares that anyone can eavesdrop on their cell and cordless conversations. Why should they care any different about their VOIP ones?

      - Tony

    2. Re:I'm not convinced of VoIP yet... by YetAnotherDave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> care to tell me how to eavesdrop on a digital

      sure. right after you let me know how you're planning on intercepting my SRTP-protected VoIP calls...

      True, VoIP security is just beginning to see the light of day, but since we're building on a good base of existing network-security tools it will ramp up fast.

      SRTP rfc: http://zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC3711/Output/index.html

  2. Any New Technology... by webword · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any new technology will face the exact same *kind* of issues. Users won't like it because of x, y, or z. The real issue isn't the technology itself but how well the businesses manage it, promote it, and so forth. Similarly, if usability doesn't improve, the issues in the article will become quite real and slow (or stop) any real progress in the market, and that would be the real crime.

  3. Re:Dominos pizza insisted I have a land line by sporkboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Strange, I have a cellphone and they deliver to me all the time. In fact, I ordered from a friend's house in a different area code using my cellphone and they had my name on record (printed on the label) and no problems. Sounds like you got a bad-egg Dominos.

  4. emergencies by mqx · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Your 48v (?) POTS line continues to provide current during emergency because the telco has backup power supply: there's virtually no complexity on the user side (the phone is powered from the line, and analogue phones are dead simple and largely robust electromechanical device).

    On the other hand, even if your telco can keep PPP up during an emergency, and even if the telco pulled out 911 VOIP at the exchange and routed it on high availability circuits to operators to minimise internetworking failures, you still have the horrendous problem at the user side: i.e. complex customer home equipment that runs off domestic power that has large number of failure modes.

    Even mobiles are better in an emergency (i.e. handsets have portable power, and the basestation and infrastructure has emergency power + failover features).

    So even if you get QoS and all other other things in place to make VOIP really work: how the hell are you going to ensure high availability?

    Otherwise, VOIP is going to great for multimedia conferencing and everything else.

  5. Re:What a crock of... by tuxlove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only valid point he has is that it's difficult to get yourself listed in the phone book, but that's not a technical issue and should be resolved shortly.

    I don't even see that as a problem. I don't want my phone to be listed. My Vonage phone never rings unless it's someone I have given my number to!

  6. Social Change by millahtime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would say it's less of a biz issue and more of a social issue. Most of society didn't grow up with the kinds of technology advancement we have today.

    There is also what I have been told many times. "We've always done it that way, why change." Most people don't like change and that is a big change.

  7. Re:What a crock of... by ZeroGee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All the problems he mentions would certainly be valid points, but only if you're dumb enough to completely replace your phone system with VoIP!

    But that's exactly what VoIP SHOULD be -- a replacement for standard land-line telephony. Why should we settle (and adopt!) a system that requires you to keep, even at small cost, another phone system that goes through the traditional switching network in order to be able to use alarms, 911, etc.? Instead, VoIP should be improved where it can do everything the telephone system can do, and then we can do away with that antiquated network and use broadband everywhere.

  8. Dissecting the article by hellfire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) The price of VoIP's thriftiness

    Sounds condescending to me, or designed to be scary, typical tag line to get you worked up over the topic. Passing judgement before the facts are presented.

    2) If you have a home alarm system, need to dial 911, use TiVo or simply want your phone number included in the phone book, you're likely to be out of luck.

    Home alarm system's and TiVo can change. TiVo is a simple non-essential piece of hardware which should change to accomodate such customers as VOIP catches on. Alarm systems will figure a way around this. Of course, if you feel you can expend money on an alarm system for your home, you can probably afford the current rates your phone company is charging. I'm not saying an alarm system is elitist... its just expensive.

    As for phone listing, well damnit who cares? I'll pick up my next pizza. Besides, you can keep your old listing in the phone book when you switch to Vonage and as VOIP catches on this will be taken care of.

    As for 911 dialing during power outages, the article willfully and obviously glosses over the possibility that people might have cell phones. This is what makes me feel this is FUDish, because, while the 911 issue is important, the article failed to cover this very important and obvious point. I believe they were afraid that the original alarmist tone of the article would have been defused because 911 dialing is important to everyone, while all those other points are only important to a select few.

    3) VoIP certainly has it's selling points--unlimited local and long-distance dialing plans that are about 30 percent cheaper than standard services, dialing from any broadband connection and being able to choose a phone number regardless of your location--the TiVo situation if just the tip of the drawback iceberg.

    First, try 50 percent, maybe more. Vonage has a plan for just $15 for 500 talk minutes, anywhere in the country. For local free calling and no special LD plans, Verizon charges me somewhere between $30 and $40.

    Second, what the hell is the last part of that paragraph? It seems so cryptic to me.

    4) Protecting your home could get tougher, as well. Some home alarm systems have trouble with broadband connections, or their manufacturers don't yet trust the reliability of the Internet.

    Back to this a second, this sentences reeks of FUD, because it says "protecting your home could get harder." Not all of us buy alarm systems... goodness! I can't protect my home without a phone? GASP!

    5) 911 calls over VoIP are usually routed through a third party, and there's been the occasional detour to an emergency call center in the wrong part of the country. Because of VoIP's mobility--subscribers can use any broadband connection anywhere--emergency operators won't automatically know where the person's calling from.

    Facts please? I've heard of no such "detours." Can we have some proof to back this up please? Even instances from the slashdot community would be nice.

    And yes, they do tout VOIP as being mobile, and yet 911 calls could be routed back home while you are on the road. However, this will be a learning point for early adopters, but future versions should handle this better. This is by design for the convenience of the customer.

    6) The Bell operating companies, comprised of Verizon, Qwest Communications International, SBC and BellSouth, prefer to wait until they build high-speed fiber-optic connections to homes for their all-out VoIP launches. The so-called fiber-to-the-premises initiatives, however, could take a decade or more to complete.

    Translation: They don't have the infrastructure yet and they don't want to kill their current phone business too fast

    7) Both Cox and Comcast are promising faster VoIP rollouts.

    Translation: they are counting on early adopters so that they can eat the baby bells' lunches.

    8) Despite its drawbacks, VoIP is attractin

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