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Microsoft Pockets Patent for Encouraging TV Viewing

theodp writes "Through its WebTV unit, Microsoft was awarded a patent Tuesday for a system and method for encouraging viewers to watch television programs, such as offering viewers frequent-flier miles for identifying the name of a sponsor or the color of an announcer's shirt. In other news, Microsoft took a District Court to task for failing to recognize the existence of prior art for the Eolas web plug-in patent, resulting in a $521 million judgment against the software giant."

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  1. Incentives?? by SIGALRM · · Score: 4, Insightful
    methods and apparatus for encouraging viewers to pay attention to television programs, commercials in particular, by offering viewers some incentive to watch
    The best incentive would be decent programming.

    One more reality show like "Wife Swapping" and I'm going to kill my TV...
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    1. Re:Incentives?? by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Informative

      One more reality show like "Wife Swapping" and I'm going to kill my TV..

      Wasn't that originally done by Dave Chapelle as a SPOOF on reality TV? Ugh...

      But don't kill your tv. Just cut your cable. If you kill your tv you lose your video games!

    2. Re:Incentives?? by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you have Wife Swap now?

      Can't you guys come up with your own programme ideas instead of constantly using ours? :-P

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    3. Re:Incentives?? by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Funny

      But don't kill your tv.

      Letting your tv die of terminal loneliness is much better. :)

      SB

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    4. Re:Incentives?? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wasn't that originally done by Dave Chapelle as a SPOOF on reality TV? Ugh...

      Sort of. Dave did a skit about a show called "Trading Spouses" and now Fox has created an actual show with the .

      I hope Dave Chappelle is getting some money out of it.

      LK

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    5. Re:Incentives?? by balloonpup · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's easy, it's a soap opera for men. They like the bad acting, silly power struggles and characters. The actual 'wrestling' is a small part of what makes it popular.

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    6. Re:Incentives?? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.livejournal.com/users/thesparque/21116. html

      Chapelle's Law of Reality Television
      Chapelle's Law of Reality Television is as follows:

      If a person brings up as a joke any idea for a reality television show, it will be adopted and aired within approximately one year's time.

      Evidence: During the first season of Chapelle's Show on Comedy Central, a skit aired in which Chapelle parodies the popular television show "Trading Spaces" with a show called "Trading Spouses." Coming this summer on the Fox Network is a show called "Trading Spouses," modeled exactly after the Chapelle's Show skit.

      Science in Action: Chapelle's Law having been discovered, I will now attempt an experiment to prove it.

      You know what would be hilarious? If they did a show like The Bachelorette or something, except it was all women. And they could do it on HBO or Showtime or something so they could show all the good stuff.

      That would be so funny.

  2. Huh? by Tsali · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We actually need to encourage people to sit around and watch television? Come on....

    Sedentary life is its own reward.

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    1. Re:Huh? by zurab · · Score: 2, Funny
      We actually need to encourage people to sit around and watch television? Come on....

      I was wondering myself: Microsoft patents IE pop-ups on TV - does this count as "progress of science" or "useful arts?" Can someone patent a pop-up blocker for TV too? Ohhh, wait a minute, I'll be back...
  3. Incentives to watch TV? by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2, Funny

    We don't need no stinking incentives!

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  4. So basically... by Izago909 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are trying to play both sides of the field. To me, Microsoft is like watching the homeless guy down the street have an argument with himself. Very entertaining, but it's advisable to keep your distance.

  5. The good old days by filtur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember when good tv shows used to be the incentive to watch tv.

  6. Try this! by T-Kir · · Score: 3, Funny

    He he, it's about time they try and patent 'Dodgy Business Practices' and 'Being a Monopoly'...

    At least they'll be part of the prior art on those points. Plus, If they did ever patent those, then they could sue any other company that misbehaves (almost like an immoral moral guardian).

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  7. Secret Message: by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 4, Informative
    Lameness filter, here I come:

    B-E S-U-R-E T-O D-R-I-N-K Y-O-U-R O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E

    (please tell me someone get the reference.)

    Come on, this kind of encouragement has been going on for DECADES.

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    1. Re:Secret Message: by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, it does indeed seem that MS has been granted a patent on the Captain Midnight secret decoder ring.

      KFG

    2. Re:Secret Message: by ip_fired · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not sure where you might have seen that, but it was in my Discrete Math book in the section about RSA encryption. :)

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    3. Re:Secret Message: by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Come on, this kind of encouragement has been going on for DECADES.

      RTFP. No, just skimming the Abstract isn't sufficient.

      The patent describes a fairly specific method of encouraging and measuring a viewer's attention to detail. It's not nearly as insidious as the impression one might get from reading nothing but a one-sentence summary of the patent.

      This happens with every story about patents on Slashdor. Half the posts are "surely product X constitutes prior art, it's different in concept and implementation but a ten-word summary of it would be mostly the same", and the other half are jokes about patenting the practice of filing junk patents. And both halves are certain they have the answer for reforming the Patent OFfice, which is obviously broken and needs to be replaced because some guy on a web message board, with no formal experience in patent law, doesn't understand it.

      I give up. I'm heading over to my Preferences page to filter out whatever category patent stories end up in.

    4. Re:Secret Message: by WNight · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And inevitably, some schmuck comes along and points out a fairly trivial point that invalidates someone's joke of "Foo, but ... ON A COMPUTER", makes an anti-anti-patent rant, as if the system must not be broken just because if you look through all seventeen pages of lawyerese there's a single new idea.

      I hope you aren't gunning for an 'insightful' mod.

      It doesn't take a patent lawyer to judge the worthiness of the system. (There's a perfect example of attempting to put a fox in charge of the henhouse.) It only takes someone who can see that the patent office sees nothing wrong with the single-click patent (or any patent on a result for that matter) or with RAMBUS's submarine tactics. Both of these are obvious innovation stifling patents, yet the PTO's comment is that it's not their job to validate patents... !?!

      So, because they've got some budget trouble, they issue government-mandated monopolies to people on whole areas of technology, making it the responsibility of everyone else to police the system. That's like me saying I can't afford to do my job and charging you, at random, for the results of fixing my lack of work.

      But yeah, I don't have a degree in patent law so obviously I can't see how patents are getting broader and broader, until they barely mention any specific technology, and are being used to blackmail whole industries.

    5. Re:Secret Message: by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Informative

      RTFP. No, just skimming the Abstract isn't sufficient.

      The patent describes a fairly specific method of encouraging and measuring a viewer's attention to detail. It's not nearly as insidious as the impression one might get from reading nothing but a one-sentence summary of the patent.


      I suggest *you* RTFP. I was all set to fire off a "you need to read the *claims*, not the *abstract* to determine what a patent covers post, but then I read the claims. It really is a ridiculous patent.

      You are correct that not reading the claims is a common problem; it is not an issue on this patent story.

    6. Re:Secret Message: by AaronGTurner · · Score: 2, Informative

      Christmas Story - the code found using the decoder pen!

  8. Re:Prior art? by ZBM-2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about contests? There have been plenty of TV show contests where you had to watch an episode,or even several,to find clues or code words or answer questions. Wouldn't that count?

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  9. I call shenanigans! by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When was TV anything else besides a barren wasteland of corporate-enforced mediocrity?

    1. Re:I call shenanigans! by nyrk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When PBS used to show real science shows NOVA, etc.

    2. Re: I call shenanigans! by gidds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It still is. Depending where you live, of course...

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  10. Philip K DIck did it best by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Informative


    From the bedroom Iran's voice came. "I can't stand TV before breakfast."

    "Dial 888," Rick said as the set warmed. "The desire to watch TV, no matter what's on it."

    "I don't feel like dialing anything at all now," Iran said.

    "Then dial 3," he said.

    "I can't dial a setting that stimulates my cerebral cortex into wanting to dial! If I don't want to dial, I don't want to dial that most of all, because then I will want to dial, and wanting to dial is right now the most alien drive I can imagine; I just want to sit here on the bed and stare at the floor."

    Her voice had become sharp with overtones of bleakness as her soul congealed and she ceased to move, as the instinctive, omnipresent film of great weight, of an almost absolute inertia, settled over her."

    Philip K. Dick - Do androids dream of electric sheep ?

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  11. Local News... by changa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought local shows have been doing this for years with contests?

    "Just write down the the name of the visitor in today's show and send a postcard to Win a CAR P.O. blah blah..."

    I seem to remember these as far back as the 80's.

    That and local news pulling similar tricks to get you to watch.

  12. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

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  13. Up next... by ender1598 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Patents encouraging people to:

    Surf the internet
    Go to school
    Raise children
    Listen to the radio
    and to leave the toilet seat down when finished!

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    1. Re:Up next... by phiala · · Score: 2, Insightful
      and to leave the toilet seat down when finished!

      You could make money off that one!

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  14. Re:Come on by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "ITs getting to a point that Microsoft is going to have a patent on everything."

    You think Microsoft has a lot of patents? Check out IBM.

  15. Positive Anger Management by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Let me make a suggestion to everyone out there in Slashdotland who uses a Microsoft product in any way.

    Whether you love or hate Windows, whenever you read an article like this about more Microsoft stupidity, rather than venting your anger on your monitor or even on Slashdot, turn it into something positive & deny Microsoft just a little bit of the power they have over you.

    No, I'm not talking about fdisk-ing your hard drive and diving manically for the nearest Linux distro - instead, have a scout round all your Windows applications and spend an hour or two downloading and playing with an Open Source or free equivalent application, just to see what that little bit of your life will be without Microsoft.

    Take something simple, like the Notepad text editor. If you're feeling really brave, you could go try out Vim if you want to do vi-type editing in Windows, otherwise, go try Textpad++ for a more traditonal-style editor. (I won't put links here, just Google for them, you'll find them.) Spend a couple of hours just trying to wean yourself off that little piece of Microsoft dependency, you will feel better for it, believe me!

    Others you could try are Thunderbird for email, Ethereal for network sniffing, Firefox as a web browser, Filezilla as an FTP client, ExactAudioCopy (with Lameenc) for ripping MP3s... the list is endless.

    Just make sure you do something positive with your anger. It may well be that the day you ditch Windows is a long way off (perhaps never) but at least you'll feel a little more confident that if and when that day comes, you'll be just that one step closer to an easy transition.

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  16. Microsoft's future plans by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know everyone is saying they are amassing patents in a defensive move.. but I cant see them passing up the opportunity to go on the offensive when they have large enough portfolio.

    Between that, and their bank account, they could pretty much eliminate everything that stands in their way.

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  17. Re:TV outright sucks by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I killed mine a couple of years ago. I have noticed effects on my social life."

    Kinda funny, iddn't it? Watching too much TV == bad, a lot of the content is pretty insulting to the intelligence. Not watching TV == bad, a few things are pretty darned good, but they're being missed.

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  18. Re:Prior art? by platypibri · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tech TV's(R.I.P.) Digital Dig contest has people watch for codes and then enter them on the web.I'm sure a dozen more will pop up in the thread. Looks like they got their head up a small narrow space at the patent office.

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  19. Re:Oh no, not again... by dbk25 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very specific? Here's the end of the patent:

    "While the present invention has been described in connection with specific embodiments, variations of these embodiments will be apparent. [...] Therefore, the spirit and scope of the appended claims should not be limited to the foregoing description."

    Frankly, claim 1 doesn't seem particularly specific or limited to me.

  20. Prior Art Found by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Informative

    This has been done, but what's more important for USPTO is that it's been done using a computer

    On digital TV in the UK, they're always asking viwers to 'press the red button' and be up for a chance to win 'something crap'.
    What's more competitions also run, like on Discovery Home & Leisure, where viewers watch the channel for an entire week and when they see a fish float across the screen then they press the red button to be up for a chance to win prizes.

    If this isn't exactly what the MS patent is going on about, I don't know what is.

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