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Ted Turner's Beef With Big Media

pizen writes "Washington Monthly has an article from Ted Turner where he talks about the problems with the media conglomerates and calls for them to be busted: 'At this late stage, media companies have grown so large and powerful, and their dominance has become so detrimental to the survival of small, emerging companies, that there remains only one alternative: bust up the big conglomerates.'"

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  1. Face It. by torpor · · Score: 5, Insightful
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    1. Re:Face It. by saden1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have already won. I don't watch TV at all! I don't look to CNN to get my news or any of those stupid networks. I have the Internet. They are encroaching the internet, but the Internet is too big and has too many choices.

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    2. Re:Face It. by joebok · · Score: 5, Insightful

      RTFA - one of Turner's points is that the independence of the Internet is illusionary - the large media companies own plenty of Internet news sources as well.

      From TFA: the "diversity-enhancing value of the Internet." The FCC is confusing diversity with variety. The top 20 Internet news sites are owned by the same media conglomerates that control the broadcast and cable networks. Sure, a hundred-person choir gives you a choice of voices, but they're all singing the same song.

  2. He's right by BCW2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In todays's megacorp world could you imagine starting something like CNN. It was much simpler 25 years ago when Turner did it. Disney, Viacom, AOLTW, Murdoch, it is very hard for a newcomer to break in now. The last newcomer was Fox and thats been over ten years ago. I don't think they would have made it without Murdochs newspaper empire to back them up till they got a foothold.

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  3. Why all the Ted Turner bashing? by thecombatwombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes Ted Turner is easily the center of the evils he's complaining about . . . . but well, did anyone RTFA before bashing him?

    Sure there's hypocrisy in Turner saying big media should be broken up, but he explains himself rather well. I admit I haven't even read the whole article yet. Maybe he's a little bit bitter (AOL), but he starts by explaining that he could never have gotten started in the current environment and then goes on to detail lots of real problems with the current media. Why can't he just be a very smart old man, who knows more about this topic than probably any of us, and is pissed because his industry is going to hell?

    1. Re:Why all the Ted Turner bashing? by nevets · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No... Ted got what he wants... and then wants to change the system a little late in life.

      This statement seems to show that you didn't RTFA! Since what he is complaining about is that the system has already changed after he got what he wants. He states that he couldn't have gotten what he wants if the system was back then like it is today.

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  4. Re:Meanwhile... by ajs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is like Bill Gates bemoaning monopolistic business practices in the software industry.

    NO This is like Bill Gates saying "Microsoft should be broken up to prevent it's detrimental impact on the software market that sifles small business growth." I, for one, would stand up and cheer if Bill Gates said that, but we all know he's not man enough to do the right thing.

    PLEASE, let's not pummel this guy for a) doing the right thing b) doing it in a way that will hurt his interestes and c) for his move toward colorizing movies almost 20 YEARS ago

  5. A sign that it really IS serious? by abb3w · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If the head of one of the biggest media conglomerates says they need to be broken up, it may just show how bad things have gotten. There are a few filthy rich who think they are filthy rich enough, and can now put principles ahead of purse. On the other hand, it may be that he's not nutty, but rather Daffy:

    "Well I say he does have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!"

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  6. Re:Why bust? by Glock27 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There's already a remedy for customers whose needs aren't being met . . . go someplace else. You don't have to watch CNN, or Fox News, or MSNBC, or others. Your choices will be more limited, but you DO have alternatives.

    His entire point is that the number of alternatives is getting smaller - and also that all the large media companies have certain interests in common, which may distort their programming.

    It's hard to imagine how we'll have a well informed, critically thinking populace if everyone's opinions are manufactured by a few homogenous companies... The only bright spot is the Internet, assuming it doesn't get too watered down.

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  7. I have already won. by dpilot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You haven't won. You've merely gotten out of the immediate battleground, and are ignoring the War.

    Part of TT's point is that Big Media is exerting too much control over the news. No matter how good someone may be at making decisions, feed them defective information and the 'perfectly made' decisions based on that information will be defective, too. For instance, your neighbors, your zoning board, voters, etc.

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  8. Democracy depends on diversity of viewpoints by MemRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think that the key thing that he's trying to say is that media, while being an example of a mature industry, is a different industry than something like automobile production. In essence, democracy depends on having a flourishing, vibrant media. Without it, democracy itself has major problems because the public is only exposed to a few viewpoints.

    Imagine that you're in Soviet Russia (where media controls you). You have three networks, but all three of them air the same stories, and are blatantly politically biased towards the government. How are you going to get alternative news? How are you going to have sufficient information to act as a proper democracy? Russia happens to be a good example today, because while it's nominally become a democracy, its media is once again as subserviant to the ruling structures that its democracy is suffering. If you're in Moscow and you want to hear news which is critical of Putin or supportive of anyone else, you're going to have a hard time trying to find media which will air those views.

    For those who say that competition between the oligarchs of media will prevent that, look again at Russia. What happens if the government "rewards" those who look favorably on its policies and "punishes" those who don't? Well, if there are 100 sources of news, then it doesn't matter, because they're not going to control all of them. But if there are only 3 or 4? How difficult would it be to "convince" all 3 or 4 major news sources that they should report a particular way on a story?

    And diversity of smallish news outlets doesn't help either. If you say "oh, well, we've got these hundred small internet sites and newspapers," the problem is that their credibility is in doubt with most people, because they take information on who to believe is credible from the major sources. So if you say to someone you get your news from NBC, and someone else says that they get their news from FooBar.com, if you're a normal person you're going to think they're a crackpot or incorrectly informed, because it lacks credibility.

    So imagine a situation where all major, credible news organizations are controlled by 3 people. Imagine how that would impact democracy. Now tell me that media is just another mature industry.

  9. Re:That's true for *any* mature market by blamanj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I, personally, wouldn't have any trouble with breaking up Ford and GM, (I think it would be nice if all companies greater than a certain size where prevented from owning more than 20% of the market), it really is a different kettle of fish.

    For one thing, the media conglomerates control how a large percentage of Americans get their information. Do you really want everyone to hear only the news that Rupert Murdoch thinks you should hear?

    For another, the broadcast media companies in particular, are making use of the public airwaves and as such, are required to submit to rules that they provide some public benefit. Broadcasters have been whining about those rules since day one, and have been weaseling their way out of them since day two. The FCC was supposed to act in the public interest, it is sadly much more likely to operate in the corporate interest these days.

  10. Ayn Rand - Philosophy of "Greed for Greed's Sake" by leftie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ayn Rand books are nothing but rants (and long, poorly written rants at that) justifying greed for greed's sake. For obvious reasons, the greedy people (particularly right wingers)latched onto these rants as justification for their greedy behavior.