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Second Post-Apple Newton Life?

An anonymous reader with a lot of time on his hands writes "As seen on Slashdot b e f o r e, the Newton refuses to die. Since Apple discontinued it, it got ATA, WiFi, Bluetooth, Zeroconf and even a NES emulator. Now, several Mac news sites r e p o r t, Newton users founded an association with John Sculley, who pushed the Newton at Apple, as its honorary president. They're organizing a conference in Paris in September. How long until all these users switch to new hardware?"

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  1. Why should they switch to new hardware? by lxt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Newton does the same job of my Palm Tungsten - and even surpasses it (my Tungsten E doesn't yet have WiFi support, and I can pick up a second hand Newton for quite a bit cheaper). Clearly though, this is a niche market. My Newton is too large for me to use regularly, but it's a great curiosity.

    I think of the Newton like the NES - the games on the NES were great, and are still very popular (take the recent GameBoy Advance NES special edition). The NES formed the basis of many great consoles to come. But even though the NES is still a great machine (like the Newton), I probably would prefer to play on a PlayStation. Although, the flaw in this (rather basdly though out) analogy between the Newton and the NES would be one of them sold extremely well...

    1. Re:Why should they switch to new hardware? by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your Newton can also function as a web server among many other things, but the important thing to remember about the Newton is that this was all possible over ten years ago when the Newton was introduced in 1993 making a return on investment for a Newton quite impressive.

      This also brings up another issue......Since Apple has left the PDA market, how much innovation has occurred? Color screens perhaps, but what else?

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    2. Re:Why should they switch to new hardware? by MisterLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "Although, the flaw in this (rather basdly though out) analogy between the Newton and the NES would be one of them sold extremely well..."

      Your comparison of the Newton to the Nintendo Entertainment System is insightful, but the greater flaw in your analogy is that Nintendo released later generations of the NES, i.e. the Super Nintendo, N64, and GameCube. You can play the GameCube instead of the Sony Playstation, but you can't use an iNewton2 instead of a Sony Clie.

      Nintendo took the market share it had established with the original NES, and then channeled it into the Super Nintendo, another successful console. Even now, almost two decades since I first player Super Mario Brothers, I can play Super Mario Sunshine on the Gamecube.

      Apple, on the other hand, has apparently squandered the lead it had with handhelds. Apple had (and amazingly, still has) an ardent user base for the Newton. Steve must realize this. Therefore, although Apple has a lot on its plate right now, I would not be surprised to see a resurrection of the Newton ("iNewton", "iPalm", etc), or for the iPod to evolve into a machine with handheld-like functionality.

    3. Re:Why should they switch to new hardware? by cioxx · · Score: 4, Insightful
      400 MHz cpu's
      more portability
      much longer battery life
      wifi, bluetooth (built in)
      ability to play hours of video/music
      web browsing, etc....

      This is natural progression, not innovation. I think you're confusing theese two things.
  2. How Long? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Considering there are still people running Apple ][+ hardware (not just emulators), I don't think the Newton will die anytime soon.
    • High quality, over-designed hardware
    • A unique user experience
    • New third party development
  3. Upgrade to what? by onegoodpenguin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which new hardware, exactly, will they switch to? A close co-worker of mine refuses to lay his Newton to rest, asserting that there are no modern products that compare. This is a subjective opinion of his, of course, but it establishes the sentiments that the users of this ancient PDA seem to share.

  4. Funny how... by moehoward · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Funny how the lousy 1 character links (Thanks Michael!!! not) are just 2 stories above a story about lousy UI design. Go figure.

    What ever happened to letting us know where the links to go? For some reason, I have a feeling that single character links are not what Tim Berners-Lee had in mind for this thing.

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  5. One word. by slasher999 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How long until all these users switch to new hardware?


    Amiga.


    Look at how long the Amiga fans have been holding onto that platform. If it wasn't for them, I would probably no longer remember what an Amiga even was. Same can be said for OS/2 - look at eComStation. Great products tend to outlast vendor interest.

  6. Re:Why do People Continue to Use the Newton? by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Newton Community is a very interesting case of users continuing to support a product which for all intents and purposes should have died years ago.

    Why, exactly, should Newton "have died years ago"? You buy a product to satsify a need. If the product satisfies that need, and continues to do so, why stop using it?

    Most of us have literally bought into the notion that only the latest, greatest version of a product can possibly meet our needs. Along with that comes the idea that only a product that's actively supported by its manufacturer is suitable for use. We're "consumers" because we buy a thing and use it until it's all used up -- we "consume" it -- and then we go buy another thing. This is great for an industry whose financial health is based on "upgrades." If we didn't all go buy new computers every few years, the computer industry would be in much worse shape than it is. But it's not necessarily in our own best interests.

    Newton is a case where a product designed well and implemented well served its purpose well, and continues to do so. The manufacturer no longer supports it, but that doesn't really make a difference to those for whom Newton currently works.

    If Nokia suddenly went out of business, would you instantly run out and buy a new phone? If Palm went belly-up, would you trash your Tungsten and buy something else? And if you would, why?

  7. Re:iPods already have PDA-like functionality by zimba-tm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What makes iPod famous, is also it's simplicity. So that's not really a good idea to add functionnalities :)

  8. Re:How much would it cost? by MacFury · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Porting newton to a modern processor, adding ram, adding modern IO (wifi/usb) and giving it some serious battery life

    And if they didn't do that? If they just reintroduced it at it's original specs? Wouldn't the price be lower since the hardware is older and hopefully cheap by now?