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Canadian Music Industry Drills Dentists

hereisnowhy writes "CBC reports that the tranquil music that wafts through many dental offices to soothe patients and mask the sounds of the drill may soon be silenced. The music industry is putting the bite on dentists -- demanding that they pay for the right to play it. The Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada would also like to extend this policy to 'coffee shops, clothing stores, lounges, elevators -- even radio tunes that people hear on the telephone while on hold.' Are any composers and authors actually in favour of this, or just the publishers?"

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  1. Lets not forget.. by spacecadetglow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lets not forget the people with their car radio on and their windows rolled down. They are our number one priority man.

  2. Teeth by paulfwilliams · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps the RIAA members will change their tune when they go for their dental checkups, and instead of soothing music, the dentists play recorded tracks of drilling and pulling teeth.

  3. Re:Stupid by uncoveror · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are there any recordings of tranquil music so old that they are in the public domain? If so, play those, and tell The Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada that the world's smallest violin is playing for them.

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  4. What makes an artist? by Fortress · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read all kinds of stories on Slashdot like this about someone being upset that someone else is enjoying some form of art without paying for the privilege. It always makes me wonder about the goals of the artists.

    It seems to me that a true artist would want as many people as possible to enjoy their creation. The internet and file-sharing should be a great enabler for this, as anyone anywhere with internet access can see, hear or read their art. It is truly liberating and democratizing, making art available to all instead of only those who can afford it.

    Whenever I hear an artist complain that too many people are enjoying their work without paying, I smell a rat. If you are creating art to get rich, you're not really an artist, at least by my admittedly narrow definition. Art should be its own reward. A true artist would create and distribute their work even if there was no compensation for it and they had to work a day job to make ends meet. There are countless examples of this. The passion for their craft drives them, not a desire for monetary gain (though this sometimes is a byproduct).

    As to record companies and other copyright holding entities, I understand that for their business to survive, they must try to protect their assets. I just happen to think that their business model is hopelessly outdated in the midst of the digital revolution.

    We are at a turning point of the information age. Will information become truly free or will access to it be controlled by "information barons"?

  5. Re:ASCAP & BMI... by acroyear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ascap will sue your bar even if you only have artists playing their on (non-ascap) original material. its an extortion racket and everybody knows it. they certainly have the legal clout. they claim that 84% of their royalties go directly to the artists (mind you, much of it distributed based on radio airplay, regardless of the money's source).

    however, 16% of $1.6 BILLION pays for a LOT of lawyers.

    for example, if you only do public domain material, "trad arr." and all that, they'll still sue you because they can decide that your arraingment wasn't original, but based on an arraingment that is ASCAP protected. you can't win.

    and a restaurant DOES have to pay ASCAP licensing, even if they only play the radio. all stores do.

    yes, that means ASCAP gets paid 3 times over. 1) the radio station purchases the CD to play, at a higher rate than our retail version, and ASCAP gets their cut. 2) the radio station pays its broadcast license. 3) the restaurant or retail location pays a broadcast license based on the # of customers they have on average in the store at any time.

    nobody wins except ascap. period.

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  6. Re:ASCAP & BMI... by l810c · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was pretty certain that we didn't have to pay anything for radio. I did a search and it depends on the situation.

    With the rest of your comment I definately agree.

    When opening your own business that are invariably unforseen costs. Imagine our surprise when we get a letter only a few weeks after getting our federal tax id. And the costs turn out to be $3000, that's a real drain when opening a business on a shoestring. I think they scan the SIC codes for new businesses and attack right away.

  7. It seems a bit backwards... by blix5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, I would *love* for my bands' music to forever be associated with dentist drilling and pain.

    If you look at it that way, the music industry should be paying the dentists to not plays their music.

  8. Don't kid yourself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...is that somebody might actually get paid for elevator music.
    It's actually among the highest-paying gigs in music. Each session runs a few hours, and they want to maximize their time by recording a lot of music. That requires top-notch studio musicians -- because there's no such thing as rehearsal. You walk into the studio at 9AM and they plop a folder filled with sheet music in front of you. They call the first tune, the red light goes on, and you play.

    And let me tell you: You'd better get it right in one take. 'Cause like I say, it's a high-paying gig. If you can't hack it, there's a line of musicians out the door looking to take your seat.

  9. A standard shake-down in the U.S. by sillivalley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a standard shake-down in the U.S. Entertainment and IP lawyers get calls all the time from business owners asking "Can they do that? Do I have to pay these bastards money for playing my fsking radio?"

    The answer is usually, yes. The exceptions are very narrow.

    (Ever wonder why restaurant chains sing hokey made-up songs instead of the nominal "happy birthday?" Licensing fees -- money -- that's why.)

    One exception, in the U.S. at least, is to play only material that is in the public domain, not subject to (ascap/bmi) licensing. As an example, Fry's in Sunnyvale plays classical piano music which is free of licensing. In the U.S., there are collections of CDs full of such material.

    Of course when a business takes such an approach, the licensing authorities (sic) will make the assumption that you are a crook, and they will watch carefully and wait for you to screw up -- and then sue your ass (arse, in Canada).

    Consult an attorney familiar with these rackets. I imagine that there exists or will soon exist a standard set of recommendations for Canadian businesses who wish to remain free of licensing fees (and don't expect that guidance to come from the licensing societies).

  10. So.... by FlutterVertigo(gmail · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...if dentists are getting drilled by this, what's happening to proctologists?

  11. Are any artists in favour of this? by Gribflex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are any composers and authors actually in favour of this, or just the publishers?

    I asked my wife, a musician, the above question. She replied with "No, that's stupid!" In addition to thinking it was stupid, she also seemed to feel that it was more important the people heard her music than that she was paid for every time it was played.

    After asking her about the 'other sides' opinion that the artists need to get paid fairly for their work, she reminded me that even though she is a musician, she won't ever receive the royalties. In her case, she plays with an orchestra. This means that it is not her that is the artist, but the orchestra. And it is not her that can complain, but rather the orchestra director and (possibly) the conductor. But more likely the recording label, not the actual orchestra.

    So, OK. The orchestra gets paid. That means that she gets more money because the royalties trickle down in her paychecks. Wrong. She is paid a fixed salary, independent of how much revenue the orchestra makes.

    OK, so she isn't exactly a rock star, nor does she make millions with her music, but she is still a recording artist and the law does not benefit her, nor will it ever.

  12. Re:What happened... by the_weasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you insane? My reaction was "Only 7,000 dollars?". It can cost a lot more than that to do a proper recording session.

    A LOT more.

    There is a huge difference between a G5 in your basement, and a studio stocked with pro gear, low S/N ratios, in a properly baffled acousticly sound room.

    I have spent 750 getting the right MICROPHONE for a recording session with a particular instrument.

    7,000 is peanuts.

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