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Kevin Rose Load Tests Gmail

SishGupta writes "Load Testing Gmail - fillmybox@gmail.com A few weeks ago, Kevin Rose of the The Screen Savers decided to load test Google's new email service, Gmail. He asked everyone to email him their favourite 5MB attachments to 'fillmybox@gmail.com.' The test Gmail account is now 102% maxed out. You can read about the test and the results at Kevin Rose.com (his weblog)."

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  1. 1GB = 1024MB so... by Compholio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... since Google advertises the service as 1GB of email storage 1023MB is technically under the limit and not 102% of the limit.

    1. Re:1GB = 1024MB so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've never heard (or seen) anyone I respect use "GiB".

    2. Re:1GB = 1024MB so... by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rounding?

      Do you think it's shady when people "round" a kilometer "down" to 1000 meters?

      Or do SI prefixes mean something different to you?

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    3. Re:1GB = 1024MB so... by Exatron · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, the fact is that SI unit prefixes have slightly different values when describing computer storage, and you're just going to have to accept that.

      There's no point in changing them to satisfy a few uptight "purists" who can't understand that there's no point in changing something that works.

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    4. Re:1GB = 1024MB so... by Cody+Hatch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, no.

      The standard prefixes kilo, mega, giga, tera, etc. mean the exact same thing when applied to ANY measure. That's the entire point of a standard, and the standard says 10^3, 10^6, 10^9, and 10^12, respectively.

      The standard prefixes kibi, mebi, gibi, tebi, etc. mean the exact same thing when applied to ANY measure. That's the entire point of a standard, and the standard says 2^10, 2^20, 2^30, and 2^40, respectively.

      To be clear - the value of the SI prefixes do NOT change, no matter what you happen to be measuring. Thats the entire point of the SI system, for crying out loud! People may misuse the units (for example, I've heard people expressing their weight in kilograms, which is obviously absurd), and if you want to communicate with them, you may want to misuse the units in the same fashion, but it doesn't make them RIGHT.

      <gratuitous flamage>
      Let's see - you're arguing that a unit system which is bizarre, contradictory, outdated, and confusing even to its adherents is good, because it sort of mostly works, despite the fact that there is a better and clearer alternative.

      Tell me, what's the weather like in your part of the US? Managed to blow up any launch vehicles recently? :-)
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    5. Re:1GB = 1024MB so... by sik0fewl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The standard prefixes kilo, mega, giga, tera, etc. mean the exact same thing when applied to ANY measure. That's the entire point of a standard, and the standard says 10^3, 10^6, 10^9, and 10^12, respectively.

      Well, they're actually SI prefixes and can't really be applied to any unit of measurement.

      The standard prefixes kibi, mebi, gibi, tebi, etc. mean the exact same thing when applied to ANY measure. That's the entire point of a standard, and the standard says 2^10, 2^20, 2^30, and 2^40, respectively.

      It's a IEC standard, but not a universal standard. If you're an electrical engineer then you might have reason to use them, it's likely to confuse most other people (not that the situation isn't already confusing).

      To be clear - the value of the SI prefixes do NOT change, no matter what you happen to be measuring. Thats the entire point of the SI system, for crying out loud!

      That's right, whenever you apply them to *SI units*. Bytes are *NOT* SI units and kilo, mega, giga, etc are *NOT* SI prefixes when used to measure kilobytes, etc. Sure, they share the same names (the source of all the confusion), but they are not SI units and do not follow SI prefix rules.

      By the way, I actually wouldn't mind kibi/mibi/etc prefixes myself but it would've been a lot nicer if they thought of that *before* using the same prefixes as SI. I think eventually the new naming will takeover, but saying that the current system is bizarre, contradictory and outdated is simply incorrect. However, to say it is confusing hits the nail on the head.

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  2. Re:And your point is ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kevin Rose is a wannabe hacker (or cracker, whatever term you want to use) who tries to portray himself as a technology guru. This is simply another stunt to make him look cool in the eyes of script kiddies. Sad really...

  3. Woops! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That post would have sucked a whole lot less ass if I had entered my numbers right. 1 GiB is not 10^30 bytes, it's 2^30 bytes. My sincerest apologies for correcting you in a way that requires correction itself.

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  4. Re:false advertising, and email wars by Quill_28 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >24 megabytes is a substantial difference for most email users.

    It is if you have 10MB or 100MB,
    but not when you have 1000 megabytes.

    100K of memory was alot when all you had was 640K, but 100k is nothing to most users nowadays.

  5. Re:false advertising, and email wars by Yolegoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt that the space is all that the users care about. I was quite content with 5 megs of space until the spam-bots got a hold of my Yahoo account.

    No, the real deal is archiving all of your old email and the ability to search through it all, as well as targeted advertising... I detest picture-advertising... most kinds, that is. pr0n's another story.

    One of the other factors that makes the service so appealing to me is I trust Google, unlike Microsoft or Yahoo, to not sell my email address. When the company who gave you the email address is handing it out to the spammers (or spamming the box themselves), something is wrong.

    - Yolegoman

  6. What a pointless load of tosh! by MarkTina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is the point in his test ? Did he think that Google hadn't done any testing at all ? Did he think that if a mailbox hit 100% something dreadful would happen ? Of course it's going to work just fine, 1Mb, 10Mb, 100Mb, 1000Mb or even 10,000Mb is just a tiny dribble in the ocean that is Googles' infrastructure. He's just looking for some kind of kudos ... "Hey dude I filled up my Gmail account!" "Wow! That's so ... so ... actually that's pretty lame .."

    1. Re:What a pointless load of tosh! by SishGupta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It didnt work just fine though. He was unable to access his account for several days. RTFA?

    2. Re:What a pointless load of tosh! by DrCash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wasn't really a test. It was more of a publicity stunt for the Screen Savers (and gmail). He was obviously really excited about being one of the first kids on the block to have a gmail account, plus, google probably paid TechTV huge $$$ to pull of the stunt, so that it would help to promote the service,... ;-)

  7. Re:And your point is ? by IanBevan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. He made out it was a load test.
    2. gmail is in beta; one of the points of using gmail at the moment is to report any problems you have.

  8. Re:Goes to 102%.... by mog007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This was actully a very good test for Gmail, it showed a possible error in the code that locked out an account that had either too much activity, or went over its limit. That's what beta testing is all about, and Google would do well to acknowledge the problem and correct it.

  9. Old news by Kethinov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good test? Old news. A friend of mine, Milo, did this two weeks ago. I even submitted a Slashdot article. But it got rejected. Why? Some guy in the Netherlands isn't as important as the all mighty Kevin Rose of the Screen Savers I guess. :-\

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  10. So, out of curiosity . . . by achurch · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The standard prefixes kibi, mebi, gibi, tebi, etc. mean the exact same thing when applied to ANY measure. That's the entire point of a standard, and the standard says 2^10, 2^20, 2^30, and 2^40, respectively.

    So exactly what measures, other than units of computer storage, are you intending to apply these prefixes to?

    If the answer is "none", then it's not a standard, it's a kludge.

  11. Re:[OT] Why SI rules by tarunthegreat2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Water goes through an unusual expansion between 0 deg and 4 deg celcius, (which is why you have water under a layer of ice)Water is most dense at 4 degrees, and that it why . Anyway, you're totally off on the second and the gram. The SI unit is KILOGram, not gram. , and that is defined by a lump of metal of that weightLink. Also the definition of a metre has been redefined as the distance it takes light to travel in certain amount of time. Finally, the second is defined as the time it takes a certain amount of radioactive material to decay. All links here. Nothing arbitrary about it. And that still doesn't explain how we're better off not using simple measurements like the Kilometre, The Centigrade scale and others.

  12. Re:I've been doing my own load testing. by Nikker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually I think this is a awesome idea. Never before has it been this easy to "harvest" information with this possibility for results.
    With 1 GB of room for error (viagra, et al) and if threaded emails could somehow be grouped by 'genre' where "Hardware" could be linked even multiple times to other groups that may contain subjects such as "Wish list", "Computers" or "Technology" ....

    With a good eye for mailing lists and other correspondence you could even build your own 'supper site' that you could share with others in part or in whole in form of links (ranges of..)

    Even would give google a good test on how people would really search for information... For example for 'hardware' you may add apple, ibm, linux ;)... and see what people keep and throw away or what becomes popular with others via sharing.

    OR even dare to think Google with all their power, wealth and genious would host sites that would allow others check out your 'public collection' you could also have files hosted to others right from google. Thus making it the number one hot spot for attention via any browser. Think of it as an ultimate blog...

    Even possibly you could have people reply back to your email address in 'public mode' that would allow the site to dynamicaly grow and be interacted without the direct intervention of the owner of the address / site. Who could of course shut it down at any time keeping all notes that were submitted while it was up for public interraction under personal view (as a cool momento :)

    Now that would be cool!!!

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  13. Re:Holy Shit by Xrikcus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Giving them a unit they can be honest with, you mean? Rather than using "kilobyte" to mean "1000 bytes" like HD manufacturers do now, just to confuse and con the public?

  14. Re:Next step, try the spam filters by k.ovaska · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Just about every word I've tried appears somewhere within the contents of 67,000 spams...

    This is probably because spammers put random words from dictionary into the messages to make spam detection harder. Thus, with enough spam, you get every word in the dictionary.

  15. Re:Goes to 102%.... by fuzzix · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm so old school, my yahoo account had the 6MB limit.

    I'm so old-school my Yahoo account had (still has, actually) free POP3 and SMTP access.

    And I'm not that old-school.
  16. Consider the alternative. by Kaseijin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So exactly what measures, other than units of computer storage, are you intending to apply these prefixes to?

    If the answer is "none", then it's not a standard, it's a kludge.
    What do you call overloading the decimal prefixes with contradictory meanings and using them ambiguously?