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aaronvegh writes "Although it qualifies as a Young Adult novel, M.T. Anderson's Feed is a worthy read by any card-carrying geek. Especially the kind curious about where today's Net culture is heading. Set in a dystopian future America, the narrative follows a 14-year-old boy named Titus as he hangs out with his friends and tries to win the love of Violet, a girl much smarter than he." Read on for the rest of aaronvegh's review. Feed author M.T. Anderson pages 320 publisher Walker Childrens Paperbacks rating 8 reviewer aaronvegh ISBN 074459085X summary A disturbing and believeable rendering of a dystopian future America features some cool tech gone amazingly wrong.

The trouble is, all the citizens of this future state are connected to the global network with a direct neural link, called the Feed. The Feed connects its users directly to all others, allowing instant access to information and communication.

Like today's Net, however, the flow of information has grown disturbingly two-way: the Feed is owned by corporations, and their agenda to increase consumerism has led to such privacy-stripping "innovations" as predictive marketing (getting "bannered" by merely looking at purchaseable items) and constant interruptions (such as chats being broken by Google AdSense-inspired ads).

Even more sinister, those same corporations bought out the government's role in education, and so Titus and his friends attend School(TM) -- where literacy is not on the curriculum. Instead, students learn how to make purchase decisions and better use their Feed.

Titus' new girlfriend, however, is representative of a growing counter-culture. Violet's education is strictly home-based, and her objections to the mainstream grow increasingly strident, even as she becomes a victim of it. It is perhaps no coincidence that her lack of affluence in this society is tied to her resistance against it.

The citizens of this future America, weaned on the Feed, are shockingly illiterate. Their language is largely incoherent, riddled with "like"s and "thing"s. Poor verbal composition is combined with an almost complete lack of vocabulary, so characters are often caught referring to objects as "thing... uh..." -- pause while they look up the term through their Feed -- "table."

We often attribute poor language skills to teenagers, but the author's willingness to show adults with the same deficiencies is telling. Even the President of the United States appears unfocused and uneducated.

Not surprisingly, the inhabitants of this world are incredibly self-absorbed. Titus repeatedly demonstrates a callous disregard for the feelings of his dying girlfriend, although he has the good grace to feel guilty buying a sweater while she confesses her fear of death. It's a culture where citizens are trained to value only what's shiny and new, and to dispose of the old and used. How any relationship can survive in that environment is a mystery only philosophers and Slashdot commentators might dare address.

The author's handling of the characters is both realistic and sensitive. I found myself shaking my head at Titus and his friends, but my disgust was accompanied by a sympathy; like a baby raised by wolves, his behaviour is completely understood, if not acceptable.

In fact, the picture drawn of this future is all too clear, and the author's skill at connecting the dots between today and that time make for some serious introspection. After all, today's Internet is an obvious precursor of the Feed, and as commercial life makes ever-greater demands of our attention online, where does it end?

The gear that makes this future possible is incredibly empowering. It connects all people together, literally, to the sum total of all human knowledge, while providing a complete, instant telecommunications network. But corporate interest is clearly the villain here, with all technology perverted to consumerist ends, ripping away privacy, individual expression and true liberty. In the right hands, the Feed would be more powerful than the agricultural, industrial and communications revolutions put together; instead, the Feed is leading its users to an apocalypse, as the author strongly hints at the end of the novel.

Most savage of all, the citizens of this future America don't see the apocalypse coming. As they increasingly turn a blind eye to how their goods are manufactured and delivered (sound familiar?), they ignore the radiation-induced skin lesions that everyone has, the fact that couples can't reproduce without a "conceptionarium", the glowing green clouds, the dead seas, the ash falling from the sky. In their dome habitats, life goes on, in the malls and upcars and fake lawns underneath the Clouds(TM) -- while the other nations of the Earth vow to obliterate America's corporations by any means necessary.

It's a hell on Earth, but a hell that seems destined to come to a crashing halt. Like the best in science fiction, this novel shows us the worst-case scenario, so we can thoughtfully avoid it.

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  1. Another Matrix Rip off by The_Real_Nire · · Score: 2, Interesting

    all the citizens of this future state are connected to the global network with a direct neural link, called the Feed.

    When will the rip offs of Ghost in the Shell/Matrix end?!!

    1. Re:Another Matrix Rip off by yohan1701 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually this is closer to an Outer limits episode that pre dates the Matrix by many years

    2. Re:Another Matrix Rip off by JCCyC · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even the President of the United States appears unfocused and uneducated.

      When will the rip offs of George W.Bush end?!!

    3. Re:Another Matrix Rip off by mchawi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I always hope comments like these are meant as sarcasm. It really makes me wonder if today's generation has any idea of the author's from generations ago that did very similar work. For instance:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk

      I guess I'm getting old when I've actually read the books that current movies are based on, but when I try to discuss them with people I get a blank look. Sometimes I wonder if the thought process is 'what is a book?' Of course this would segue into Bradbury....oh nevermind...

  2. Even the President of the United States by stevemm81 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Even the President of the United States appears unfocused and uneducated..."

    Sounds a little familiar.

    1. Re:Even the President of the United States by phyruxus · · Score: 4, Funny
      >> corporations bought out the government's role in education, and so Titus and his friends attend School(TM) -- where literacy is not on the curriculum.

      Ahhh... reality-based fiction. Those who do not remember the past, uh... oooh, shiny!

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      "A witty saying proves nothing." ~Voltaire
      "d'Oh!" ~Homer
  3. Would never happen by EnnTeeDee · · Score: 4, Funny

    This book sounds totally unrealistic: "Even the President of the United States appears unfocused and uneducated."

    This would never happen in real life, you know.

    1. Re:Would never happen by jacoby · · Score: 3, Funny

      I totally agree! Our current president has degrees from Harvard and Yale!

  4. Young Adult Novel by vivek7006 · · Score: 5, Funny

    is NOT a porno.

    Sorry!

    1. Re:Young Adult Novel by Anita+Coney · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thanks, I was able to cancel my order at Amazon just in time!

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      If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  5. One problem with posts like this by Youssef+Adnan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that it kills the story. If there is a point that the story is trying to imply, it just kills it. Sometimes, the author is trying to leave something to the reader, but when you get it from another person, it just no longer is there.

    1. Re:One problem with posts like this by oneiron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pulling your own interpretation out of a book or movie after hearing someone else's interpretation is not difficult. Critical thinking skills are your friend. Think for yourself.

  6. So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...do the characters actually *do* anything about it, or does his rebellious girlfriend die and life goes on?

    1. Re:So... by ink_13 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Why not read the book and find out?

      'Round where I live, there's this amazing place called a library, that lends out books for free. You may like to investigate the existance of something similar in your area. They may even be able to furnish you with a copy of this particular book.

    2. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To answer my own question, the reviews on Amazon suggest that the end of the story is that his girlfriend dies and life goes on. Well whoop-de-do. This sort of ending can be acceptable in a short story where the author wishes to bring attention to an issue, but is completely unacceptable in a novel. One of the core points of good literature is the struggle of human-kind to improve himself. How does this novel meet that goal if the author provides no solution to averting this future? The very literary purpose of dysotopian futures is to demonstrate that such a future is possible, and demonstrate how it might be avoided. Leaving the reader with no hope is not the way to accomplish this.

      To me it sounds like this book would have been far better had the author taken the opportunity to "awaken" the main character and allow him to learn about his humanity.

    3. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because I do not feel like filling my head with such drivel. Shouldn't the point be to avoid a future like this instead of merely accepting it? What kind of lessons are we teaching our children if their literature tells them that there is no hope?

      Personally, I find this book rather disgusting. The fact that the "girlfriend" dies while attempting to obtain an implant only furthers the idea that life is cheap and emotions are pointless. The author should have more carefully chosen his pen name. "M.T. Anderson" is not synonymous with "M.T. Soul".

    4. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Funny

      I bet you're the kinda guy who's watching a movie and asks people, "What's going to happen next?"

      No, I'm the guy who yells from the back row, "WHAT THE HELL KIND OF ENDING WAS THAT?!" An appropriate platitude for drivel like this book.

    5. Re:So... by rjstanford · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To me it sounds like this book would have been far better had the author taken the opportunity to "awaken" the main character and allow him to learn about his humanity.

      Maybe by not doing so, he hopes to "awaken" his readership instead? There's something to be said for books that don't follow standard formulae too, especially in the all-too-genre young adult section.

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    6. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Very strong sarcasm aimed at the author. Perhaps its a result of having a family to protect, but I simply find it difficult to believe that anyone can be so callous as to write a story ending with no real concern over a pointless loss of a loved one. I'm even more disgusted by the fact that the author chose to present this garbage to impressionable young adults who lack a solid enough grasp on the depth of reality to effectively judge the content for themselves.

    7. Re:So... by Enigma_Man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dunno, I think a lot of young folk (of the age who'd read a sci-fi book, say 8 to 16, older being non-young anymore) would have enough builtup morals to be absolutely appalled by the ending, and that's apparently the point. Society had reached a point where one character's death didn't make much more of an impact over another beyond vague guilt. I believe that is the entire point of the book infact.

      -Jesse

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    8. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Society had reached a point where one character's death didn't make much more of an impact over another beyond vague guilt. I believe that is the entire point of the book infact.

      Then this is a failure of the author to *study* the liberal arts. The very idea behind those arts is that some things are inherent in the makeup of mankind. This things are both his strengths and weaknesses. A great deal of literature has been produced on both of those concepts. In other words, *society* may not give a damn (not a good situation), but why doesn't the individual? If he had a personal tie to this person, where was his humanity when her life was on the line? Did anyone take it from him by force? No, the author pretends that this humanity does not exist.

      An example of a better ending would be that the character DOES care about her death, but no one around him can understand or care about his feelings on the issue. THAT would serve as a warning against such a future and warn others to not so easily part with their concern for others.

    9. Re:So... by katarac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well I haven't read the book, but in the review it says that his friend was home schooled and was not satisfied with society until she was beaten down enough to give in. And it sounds like the book makes it obvious that the world it portrays is not something that would be desireable. I doubt the author was really trying to instill in our youth that we should do what the powers-that-be say, even if it means terrible health conditions and wanting to have cooler lesions than your classmates. Just think about how brainless the reader (young adult or not) would have to be to not get the obvious point of this novel.

    10. Re:So... by Eccles · · Score: 3, Funny

      One of the core points of good literature is the struggle of human-kind to improve himself. How does this novel meet that goal if the author provides no solution to averting this future?

      Sounds like this stupid play I once read. This guy gets told by the ghost of his father about the guy who killed him, so then he makes some pretty speeches and then everyone starts dying: his girlfriend, her father, a couple of flunkies, his mother, his stepfather, the guy himself, and a few others. What was that dren called? "Hamlet" or something goofy like that.

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      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
    11. Re:So... by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But why was he let out into the open if he was going to die? explain this...

      In Soviet Russia, there is no such thing as "open". Neither in Oceania, mimicking the Stalinism as Orwell knew it. During the stalinist purges in late 30's - the ones that shocked Orwell so deeply - it was a common practice to first break down a man, and execute him only afterwards. They arrest you and they torture until you confess to anything they told you to confess in exchange for release. Obviously, even the strongest ones break down after just few weeks of torture. Then you are free... but they will still get you in a matter of months, this time a completely broken ex-man. You won't escape anywhere, you can't leave the country and NKVD will trace you everywhere within the country, even on Arctic station or somewhere in the Siberian wilderness. So you just wait for the last knocking at your door, drinking "Victory" gin and loathing yourself.

    12. Re:So... by toasted_calamari · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have actually read this book, and disagree completely about the motives of the author. The characters are portrayed to enjoy their empty, meaningless lives. But the writing is such that the reader realizes that the world they are livining in is not happy at all. By the end of the book, the reader is desperate for the characters to realize what is happening to them and learn to think for themselves. But this will never occur. The message of the book is not that man should become sheep, it is that we can end up in a nightmarish situation in which we are sheep, and cannot help but bleat and graze along with the rest of humanity.

  7. Dystopian by FatRatBastard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Set in a dystopian future America...

    In SciFi is there any other kind? I'm still waiting for Manhattan to be turned into a maximum security prison. They're about 7 years behind schedule. /snark

    1. Re:Dystopian by misleb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Star Trek (particularly TNG) would an example of near utopian Sci Fi. It does exist. It just doesn't stand out as "fiction" to many geeks when it is utopian.

      -matthew

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      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    2. Re:Dystopian by cavemanf16 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's because people hope for the best, fear the worst. In reality it's neither, and probably why so many have a hard time accepting the cold reality that we all suck and are all more than capable of turning our future into a dystopian one, far more than a utopian one. Ultimately we get neither, and just see freedom and liberty slip away as nation after nation tries to build on the failures of the nations before it, only to once again, slip away into past. It'd be nice if us humans could change this pathetically repeating history around, and actually BUILD upon our failures, but I don't see that happening ANYTIME soon.

  8. The future sucks, it always does by gelfling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do I get the feeling that if SF writers were in charge of the industrial revolution we'd still all be dairy farmers?

    Why does the future always suck, why is that the natural consequence of progress along any dimension? Why do they embrace defeat?

    It's always some dark dystopian future and the cure is always either free love or fascism isn't it?

    That's why I like PK Dick so much. No happy endings, we all die alone tortured by our paranoias.

    1. Re:The future sucks, it always does by A.S. · · Score: 3, Funny
      Because if everyone in the future was happy, that'd be really freakin' boring to read. Drama needs conflict, and there's hella more conflict the dystopia than utopia.

      3004-07-30: I got promoted at my job. I love my job.

      3004-07-31: Little Jimmy got a gold star in hyper-space art today. I love little Jimmy.

      3004-08-01: My wife told me today that she loves her job at the nano-tech factory. Isn't that keen.

      You get the idea.

      (I suppose one could argue that it is possible to write a good story set in a better-than-average future, but I can't think of any.)

    2. Re:The future sucks, it always does by JohnsonJohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do I get the feeling that if SF writers were in charge of the industrial revolution we'd still all be dairy farmers?

      Because you are likely only exposed to a very small segment of SF literature that is dystopic. Furthermore you regard all dystopic SF as Luddite.

      Why does the future always suck,

      In regards to SF, that's patently untrue. Heinlein, Brin, Asimov, Clarke, Rodenberry etc. are all utopianists, as are the gaggle of writer's churning out novels in the Star Trek franchise.

      why is that the natural consequence of progress along any dimension?

      That's an assumption on your part

      Why do they embrace defeat?

      Who's defeated? If you control one of the mega-corporations that are common in these types of dystopic stories you're doing very well in the world. In fact in such stories mega-corporations tend to subsume national governments so corporate executives even restrained by something as inconvenient as a constitution.

      the cure is always either free love or fascism isn't it?

      Huh?

      That's why I like PK Dick so much. No happy endings, we all die alone tortured by our paranoias.

      Dick died alone and tortured by his paranoias. His daughters survived to become a very profitable media enterprise. This is not meant to relect negatively on his daughters.

    3. Re:The future sucks, it always does by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's easy. Futures that seem to perfect, actually are. Man has decided to ignore all the problems instead of dealing with them. This results in stories like when a "perfect" guys of the future accidentally trips across some information that could unravel the false reality and expose the puppet-masters. This sends him on an adventure where his life is in danger and his family kidnapped. To save them, he must expose the world for what it really is...

      In other words, utopian and dystopian futures are easily used to show how people sometimes ignore reality. In the former case, they live an illusion that hurts them without their awareness. In the later case, man has ignored the issues in hopes of a utopian society and instead brought disaster on himself.

      BTW, you didn't mention the third type of Sci-Fi story. The one where the future is neither utopian or dystopian, but rather has characters who deal with many of the same issues that we have today. These stories often serve as a way of contrasting our lives against a new backdrop to shake out any points that we've taken for granted or simply failed to take notice of. Another type of story like this is designed to give mankind a future to strive for. e.g. The "Star Trek" type future where everything isn't quite perfect, but things have greatly improved.

    4. Re:The future sucks, it always does by jejones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed--SF writers aren't Luddites. Remember the words of Lloyd Biggle, Jr. (if you don't know who he is, you have some good reading ahead of you): given a bunch of people in a sewer, mainstream literature will write at great, delighted length about the people who stay there; SF writers will write about the people trying to get out.

    5. Re:The future sucks, it always does by iabervon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd suggest reading some Kim Stanley Robinson. His futures are much more reasonable than most SF; the changing technology tears society apart because of how different things become, but people muddle through it. Both fascism and free love get tried, and neither is ultimately stable. There are no endings, happy or otherwise; the answers to one day's problems are wrong the next day.

      The natural consequence of progress along any dimension always seems like madness to the people from before and requires adaptations which may not be desired. PK Dick just focuses on people who don't adapt.

  9. Why the qualification? by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 2, Funny

    Judging by the moderation and post quality, the average age of a slashdot poster is probably 15, while the editors seem to average around 12 judging on spelling, grammar and attention span.

  10. uh huh by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Welcome to a novel form retelling of an Outer Limits episode.

    1. Re:uh huh by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mmm, sweet, sweet domed-city dystopia. Kickin' it 01d 5k001, Logan's Run-style! Awww, yeahhh.

  11. Hopefully, not a "Hackers" rip off. by nawlej · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least they wont attempt to hack into a Gibson Supercomputer with Apple Notebooks. OR WILL THEY!

  12. The citizens of this future America.... by A.S. · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...weaned on the Feed, are shockingly illiterate.

    The consumers of today's America, zombified by television, are shockingly illiterate. That this trend continues doesn't surprise me.

  13. I think I've read this before by JLavezzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmm sounds like most of the books about dystopian future Americas out there... Since this one seems even less likely than the nuclear war caused one in the books I read as a kid, and even THAT one was thwarted by humanity, I'm only wishing kids had more books of inspiring futures than angst-riddled depressing ones. Last think a teen needs, another thing to be depressed about.

    I can almost imagine the thoughts of the author as he sat down to write this: "Hmmm... there used to be a lot of fear-the-future books 20 years ago. They sold really well. But we've fixed the threat of world war three, nuclear disaster, and this terrorist thing doesn't seem tangible enough to write about. Guess I'll just have to make up something about a capitalistic conspiracy gone awry and hope no one stops to think about how many people would have to abandon their ethics to participate in setting up this conspiracy."

    Blah!

    I'm tired of being told to be afraid. Hurray for hope.

  14. I actually read the book by Rognvald · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought one of the most telling scenes in the book was a ride they took to "the country." They found a steak farm that allowed visitors to watch the blood flowing through tubes to irrigate fields of steak, with the occasional horn or hoof sticking out of a hedge of beef. I recall Titus thinking that it was important to visit these kinds of places so people would remember where their food really came from.

  15. commercialization of teenagers by keyshawn632 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read this in a few days, with only about 150 pages long during the school year, about 4 months ago. It's diction is pretty light, and is on a 8th grade reading level.
    *Tries to remember the story more*
    From what I do remember, it was pretty prophetic in describing the commercialization of schooling and teenagers. The reviewer touched on this point a little too. Speaking from a teenage geek's perspective; it's often sickening to see how invasive advertising is becoming in teenagers' lives.

    Unfortunately, the advertisers seem to have already won - as I and many others are already 'casted' by other peers as 'outsiders' for not being as consumptious or brand-loyal as them.
    Both the main character and I feel torn, as we do not like to befriend/hang out with such a 'phony' crowd [I hate to use Holden's word, but it fits here]; and there's little alternatives for us.

    1. Re:commercialization of teenagers by Sgt+York · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I wrote a letter to our principal, but I never heard anything back. They got their money; it doesn't matter what the student body thinks.
      Make it matter. I know it sounds trite and cliche, but make it matter to them in an intelligent way.

      Talk to your parents about it. Prepare what you want them to understand and present it to them, and have them bitch. If your parents don't care, take it to someone else (and really, even if you think they don't care, try them first, even if only as a practice run for pitching to people who do care). Go to another relative, sympathetic teacher, school board, city council, anyone. If you are in any kind of youth group (club, church, whatever) use the people there. Trust me, the people that volunteer with those groups would be overjoyed at the idea of helping you out with something like this. I work with teenagers, and I love helping them bitch about things they think are screwed up, even if I don't think it's important. It makes up for me not having the balls to do it when I was younger.

      If you can't find a champion, do it yourself. Go to the city council, or the mayor, or the school board. Don't write a letter, and don't waste your time with an e-mail. Go see them. Walk into a city council or school board meeting and get up in front of them and talk. Most districts allow the general public to do this. The idea that elected people won't listen to you because you're a kid is bullshit. Championing the cause of teenagers who just want a good education is gold for an election campaign.

      You have to put up with this crap all the time in the real world. You should be left without it at school. It's bullshit. Don't let people ignore you because you are young.

      --

      There is a reason for everything. Sometimes that reason just sucks.

  16. A female engineer? by Trillan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Poor boy. Female engineers become attractive to male geeks at puberty, and remain so until 20 minutes after death. Longer on warm days.

    And as an engineer, she's probably way too smart to hang out with a boy named Titus.

  17. geez by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Funny

    We often attribute poor language skills to teenagers, but the author's willingness to show adults with the same deficiencies is telling. Even the President of the United States appears unfocused and uneducated.

    You really posted this whole story just to say that, didn't you? ;)

  18. What do corporations want from education? by Pallando-zi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Alvin and Heidi Toffler in their book The Third Wave make the point that industry doesn't just want the education system to turn out consumers. Industry also needs workers.

    We are seeing in the debates over the Japanese and Singaporean education systems the pressures being brought to bear by modern information, science and technology based industries upon the education system to turn out more creative, less regimented, adults.

    If the mass illiteracy future happens, it ain't going to be because that's what companies want.

    Douglas -- All speeling mistaks shoud be consedered intentionel irony

  19. Dude, that's not a novel, that's happening today by JudgeFurious · · Score: 5, Informative

    At least the part about the language skills.

    Example (And I'm going to preface this with a solid "I have absolutely minimal input in this situation though I'm trying" statement)

    My stepson is a frickin pod person thanks to DSL and a father (who he lives with) who literally refuses to pull the plug. The kid comes home from school (not School(TM) yet but soon I'm sure) and goes online. He stays online until he goes to sleep. When he's at our house (every other weekend, his dad got custody and then prompty opted to let the net and television handle most of the chores) it's a war to get him to do anything that doesn't involve a video game. We have broadband too but we try to keep him from spending the entire weekend on it. What's two days though every two weeks when he lives online the rest of the time (admittedly outside of school).

    He seems to me to be a pretty bright kid and makes ok grades but his communication skills are almost non-existent. Getting more than a couple of sentences out of him at one time is a triumph and if they're understandable then that's a bonus. He's got to use the English language at school (doesn't he?) so you would think he'd know a few words. A noun or two here and there? Maybe? If that's the case though then he doesn't exhibit any sign of it that I can see.

    At his age (Almost 16) I was trying to figure out how to earn enough money to get a car, trying to get laid (with little luck), and had interests in music, books, sports, and a pack of friends all thinking about much of the same things.

    The idea of this kid working anywhere is laughable. He doesn't even mention cars or driving and to the best of my knowledge doesn't know what a girl is (and I check his browser cache when he leaves so we're not even talking about hitting the porn here). He doesn't read, he doesn't listen to music, and he doesn't even want to go outside much less actually do something that might require sweating. Friends? Hell if I know.

    I wonder how many other kids are already hooked up to "The Feed" for all practical purposes?

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  20. and there's little alternatives for us. by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Damn to late the future is now. You do use some big words, googled for them? Pity you can't google grammar eh?

    Just messing with you, not like I could do much better but then english ain't my first language.

    As for advertising and american education, the rest of the world is just a few years behind, I once saw a documentary on kids in an american school being forced to watch commercials. The companies who owned the ads had paid for the lessons so if you didn't watch you were BANNED from class. It was a few years ago and I only saw half of the program so it could have been a spoof. It was supposed to be in one of the more depressed areas of big city.

    Anyway we have long since passed the point of sponsored kantines and sponsored school books. We can bitch all we want about it but as long as we allow campaigns that promise tax cuts and don't gas people that vote based on this we can't expect anything else. He who promises the biggest cuts gets the power, to make the cuts he needs to cut money to schools. Then "industry" steps in but they don't do it for free.

    Someone else commented how this kinda of future requires a lot of people to overcome their ethics. No it doesn't, it just requires everyone to make a tiny little adjustment of their ethics every couple of years. That is presuming people have ethics anyway. Look at how easily people turn to butchering their neighbours and perhaps the human race has about the same amount of ethics as a cat.

    The book review talks about the "hero" having little feelings about his girlfriend dying while he is shopping. But as we shop for candy and luxury goods and speculate on the latest ship or bitch how camera phones are crap PEOPLE ARE DYING FROM HUNGER. Do we give a damn about them? I don't. Oh sure when you corner me on the street and shove a tv-camera in my face I will say I care but really I don't. If I did I would do something about it and I don't. None of us do. Well at least not enough of us to make any difference.

    Oh well at least you and I feel torn about it. Better then some of the posters who prefer books that say "everything is going to be alright". We are all consumer slaves but at least some of us are aware of it. Like alcoholism the first step is admitting you got a problem. The real problem is all the steps that come after it. Looks like a long journey, better have a drink first to encourage us.

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  21. relationship by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, I'll dare to address the question of how any relationship can survive in such an environment: Frankly, it doesn't need to. In The Future®, relationships are superflulous and unnecessary as all human reproduction is handled by a corporation formed from the merging of the sperm bank, planned parenthood, and artificial insemination clinics. Certain males, selected from the gene pool after application and carefull screening, are permitted to make a 'deposit' in the sperm bank, where their 'funds' remain anonymous but are catagorized by physical characteristics. Certain select females are granted a license to reproduce when deemed necessary in light of population statistics, the desired qualities of new members, etc (do we need more scientists, hair stylists or equipment operators) and permitted to conceive (unlicensed conception is severely punished). After birth the newborn begins to spend more and more time in corporate training centers (day care) where s/he is raised to fulfill the role in society ordained for him/her.

    So, all the sentiment about 'love', 'relationship' , 'romance' is completely unnecessary and dangerous to the established order and prone to produce troublemakers who don't 'fit in'. The only relationship necessary is that between the individual and the corporation.

    And they have flying cars.

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  22. Feed by Bart+Read · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To be honest this sounds interesting, I think branding it as another Matrix etc rip-off is probably missing the point, and I think slating it for using ideas that have occurred in other SF novels is probably doing the same. No novel is ever entirely original in all aspects: if you're going to nitpick about the reuse of ideas you may as well give up now and never read another book in your life.

    However:

    The citizens of this future America, weaned on the Feed, are shockingly illiterate.

    The fact is that for most of human history, most of humanity, most of the time has been shockingly illiterate. Even today, if you look at literacy throughout the world, rather than looking at just the U.S.... it's quite shockingly low (America is not and never has been representative of the world at large). But the reasons are different and tend to be a reflection of the rich / poor divide, rather than because education is controlled by powerful corporations. The difference is that many people who are illiterate today would give almost anything for an education and some decent opportunities in life, whereas the characters in this novel just don't care.

  23. It's a bait 'n' switch. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a bait-and-switch, see, originating in the 1950s. The 1950s were supposedly the halcyon days of apple pie, clean (too cheap to meter!) nuclear power and robots that would clean your house---any day now! The 1950s were also a time of paranoia, McCarthyism and of course the ever-present threat of nuclear annihilation.

    To reflect this duality, take Asimov and PKD. Asimov's stories reflect the attitude that technology will save us, that robots will do our bidding and be our Fuzzy Friends. PKD's view is that aliens, or maybe robots, or maybe mutants, but in any case something utterly inhuman, will supplant and replace us. (See the short stories "The Golden Man", "The Hanging Man" or "The Father-Thing" for some really top-drawer examples of that.)

    If you've been reading solely PKD, no wonder you think it's all doom and gloom!

    Let's look at the last few SF books I read. "A Fire Upon the Deep" (Vernor Vinge), "The Left Hand of Darkness" (Ursula K LeGuin), "The Turing Option" (Harry Harrison and Marvin Minsky). Hmm---not a dystopia to be found. (Though that last books was a damned waste of time.)

    Hell, Vinge writes about ubiquitous computing in a way that doesn't lead to suckness and defeat. (See "Fast Times at Fairmont High" or the upcoming "Rainbows End".)

    Also---you say that "the cure is always free love or fascism". Aside from Norman Spinrad trying to make a point ("The Iron Dream"), when is fascism recommended? When is "free love" recommended as a cure for a dystopia? The only free-love-proposing book I remember is "Stranger in a Strange Land", and that was hardly set in a dystopia.

    --grendel drago

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  24. Re:Dude, that's not a novel, that's happening toda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe he doesen't like cars and fast women!

    God, is this the Fifties again...?

    Just because you're "antisocial" doesn't mean there's something wrong with you!

  25. CHIMPY!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah. Terribly unfocused. Those hostages, stuck in Iran... it's good that we had the moral clarity of Reagan, who, you know, sent the Iranians arms in exchange for hostages. And look, our current chimp^Hpresident has the same kind of moral clarity! Sweet!

  26. Re:Dude, that's not a novel, that's happening toda by Hard_Code · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have you tried beatings? If it doesn't work, at least it's exercise.

    Well, for you that is.

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  27. SF vs gen authors. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you have a talented author who is able to work with interpersonal issues, relationships and so on, they write "respectible" fiction. SF only get the stories written by no-talent hacks or the stories by good authors that *can't* be told as non-SF.

    I disagree, but would like to include a brief and admittedly vague anecdote. Ursula K LeGuin, who became famous for her SF exploring sociological and anthropological themes---but could The Left Hand of Darkness have been told without genetically engineered androgynes?---and later tried to distance herself from her SF roots, to be more palatable to The Literary Establishment. She ended up writing a lot of bad work.

    You say, That said, I'd be happy to read a SF novel which focused on interpersonal or other "non-SF" sources of conflict, where the future is just a scenery choice. There's plenty of work that does just that. It's not SF; it's a Western or a crime drama with the word 'boat' crossed out and replaced with 'transgalactic skipship' or some similar verbal frottage.

    SF is about hwo technology changes us. Vinge's "Realtime" series for stasis fields, "The Left Hand of Darkness" for a lack of gender, "1984" for two-way television and "Brave New World" for a genetically engineered caste system. I say that no really great work of SF could be re-cast in what you call a non-SF locale.

    SF isn't just scenery. A lot of it is crap, but that can be said for general fiction as well. It's been unfairly ghettoized, its authors shunned until after their deaths, then grave-robbed for buzzwords and plot points. (See: Philip K Dick, Paycheck; Isaac Asimov, I, Robot; Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers.)

    And the shunning of SF continues into other media, TV and movies. With the exception of Trek, which has its own problems, and which (I'm told) has gone straight to hell lately, what SF is there on television? What was the last SF movie you saw? And I mean real SF. Look what's considered SF.

    There's a tendency among the general readership to shun SF. I can't imagine why someone would have such an aversion to picking up "The Left Hand of Darkness" or "A Deepness in the Sky". Do you know what causes it?

    --grendel drago

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  28. Re:Dude, that's not a novel, that's happening toda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That sounds terrible. Until you realize all you can actually do online, other than surf for porn.

    He could be composing his own music, rather than listening to some fool sing about how terrible/great their life is.

    He could be drawing.

    He could be having intelligent discussions with other people, and have far more friends than you may think, even if they are just online.

    He could be writing his own books, as well as reading them.

    He could be making his own games, rather than just playing someone else's.

    Many other things are also possible..

    Not only can the internet/computers be used for creating many, many things but it also gives you a massive auidence to show them to.

    Maybe it's just me, but about all of these seem more meaningful to me than looking into how to drive a stupid machine for getting to places, how to become a slave who merley does enough work to get food to continue his existence rather than living off his creations, and trying to reproduce when it wouldn't be feasible to raise said offspring.

    Of course he could be doing nothing of the sort, but even sitting in front of a screen doing nothing in particular dosen't seem much worse in my eyes than your life at that age.

    Of course, I'm probably severley biased on this issue since you practically just described my life.

  29. Maybe his Problem is not DSL . . . by llywrch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just out of curiousity, have you had a therapist talk with this kid? I ask this because it sounds as if the kid could be clinically depressed.

    The fact he's your stepson & lives half of the time with his dad suggests that he's gone thru some serious trauma: he's seen his family break up & getting bounced back & forth could be undercutting his sense of a home & security. This would make a case of depression understandable.

    Then consider your following paragraph:

    > He doesn't even mention cars or driving and to the best of my knowledge doesn't know what a girl is (and I check his
    > browser cache when he leaves so we're not even talking about hitting the porn here). He doesn't read, he doesn't listen
    > to music, and he doesn't even want to go outside much less actually do something that might require sweating.
    > Friends? Hell if I know.

    Lack of interest in things like cars, sex, any activities or friends are all textbook indicators of depression. And doctors have only admitted in the last 5 years or so that children _can_ suffer from depression.

    When he's not around sometime, use Google to find some webpages on depression, & compare a couple of the tests against his behavior. If they suggest he might have depression, get him some medical help: depression is a disease. And once he starts coping with it, & starts to show an interest in those things, he will be glad for the help.

    On the other hand, if you have had him examined by a medical professional, & he's not depressed --just lazy -- then it's well within your rights to talk to his mother about sending him to a military boarding school. ;-)

    Geoff

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