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TiVo Has to Fund Your Local Stadium

Strudelkugel writes "The Washington Post has a truly Kafka-esque article regarding TiVo, the broadcast flag, the NFL and limited file sharing. "TiVo, the company that makes the digital-video-recorder boxes that inspire such strange idolatry among their users, is in a weird spot. It's asking the Federal Communications Commission for permission to add a new feature -- the option for a TiVo user to send recorded digital TV programs via the Internet to nine other people." Just wait until your read the rest of the story..." This one is actually really worth a read to see just how bizarrely corrupt this all is. Enjoy.

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  1. Is this any less Kafkaesque... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...than taxpayers having to fund a local stadium?

  2. ARGGH by sockonafish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do we keep subsidizing broken businesses? The NFL isn't like the airlines or Amtrak, our country could still function normally if some of the less profitable teams folded.

    How did the cat get so fat?!?!

    1. Re:ARGGH by SpacePunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can you say "bread and circuses"?

      I knew you could!

    2. Re:ARGGH by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      sure...go right ahead and kill it all. but expect me to get pissed if my taxes don't fall in return.

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    3. Re:ARGGH by Saeger · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Truckers are a lot cheaper than pilots, airplane engineers or UPS delivery-men

      And within 10 years, robotic driving systems will be even cheaper than human truckers. Nothing any union of striking teamsters can do about that either.

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  3. Frostbite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok as long as the NFL will handle all the frostbite injury lawsuits in Buffalo. This is the same as horse racetracks (in NJ, for example) saying that they MUST have slot machines to keep interest in horse racing alive....doesn't make any sense at all.

  4. Silly bastards by fname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, the NFL sure is spending a lot of effort to prevent people from watching their in-market game-- which any sensible DirecTV customer can do today. Sick of the Raiders game being blacked out in Oakland? Well, just "move" to Los Angeles, and you'll be able to see every game on Sunday Ticket. And there are more ways than that.

    Do you think the NFL will come after me for a DMCA violation-- is this considered a workaround of an effective security method?

  5. The real funny thing is... by pegr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jim Burger, a lawyer for TiVo, fumed about the NFL's complaint: "Maybe their engineers understand how to inflate a football, but I don't think they understand encoded, encrypted MPEG-2," TiVo's tightly secured format.

    Perhaps it is Mr. Burger that doesn't understand. The ability to rip unencumbered video streams from a hacked TiVi has existed for sometime now. If you want to know the future, Mr. Burger, study the past...

  6. Blunt-edge technology by rde · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In many ways, we're seeing examples of how people want dumber technology. Hands up the number of people who hang on to outdated CD-ROM drives because they ignore the corrupted crap that infests so many of today's alleged CDs? (recently, I didn't realise I'd bought an unrippable CD until after I'd ripped it). When the pernicious broadcast flag becomes endemic, people are once again going to look for older tech to overcome it. Tivo will find itself out-featured by older models, ones that ignore such crap.

    To my mind, this is a sure sign that things are going wrong (as if more signs were needed); the broadcast flag and other silliness are anti-technology (and anti-business) because they'll discourage people from upgrading. Of course, they'll be banking on the fact that relatively few people will stick to such technologies, but it only takes one person with a linux-based PVR and a copy of gtk-gnutella to totally screw the pooch.

    One thing about the article, though; it implies that the NFL are wasting their time because bandwidth limitations mean it'll never be practical. This assumes that super-duper ultra-high-speed connections will never be available (or at least commonplace); this is a specious argument, I reckon. Not that I'm arguing for it; I just dislike arguments that can be easily overcome.

  7. Re:Too Many Complications by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a ridiculously tiny jump from freedom of speech to freedom of information. The only reason it seems like a big jump to having no copyrights is that, although we're far better off than some parts of the world, we don't REALLY have free speech.

    The US constitution, while protecting speech, explicitly authorized (even mandates) the protection of innovation by granting monopolies on copying.

    In the case of literature and the like this is intended to keep publishers from printing copies without paying the authors, for a limited time.

    In the case of inventions to encourage invention by protecting against reverse-engineered copies for a limited time in return for publication of complete descriptions of how to "practice the invention" after the time expires.

    Over two centuries of legal hacking have worked around the original intent of the provision. But the provision is still there. And the Constitution is the SOLE authorizing document for the government - the "kernel code", so to speak.

    If you want to make such a change, you need to amend the consititution. That's a really tough road to hoe.

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  8. How many people actually consider by foidulus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    watching a game on television/their computer a replacement for going to the game? If possible, I would much prefer to go to a game rather than watch it on TV. Being able to watch a game on TV has no bearing on whether or not I will buy a ticket. The atmosphere is just so much different. Plus, you can decide what you want to watch, you aren't forced to watch what the camera is pointing at. This is just another one fo those "enablers", it enables them to do all sorts of stupid shit to cover up the fact that they just can't sell tickets.
    There is a reason people don't go to Buffalo games in November and December, it's fucking freezing! Do they seriously expect someone to say, "Well, it's so cold out that really don't want to go to the game, but since I can't watch it on TV, I will go anyhow"? My best guess is that they will just not watch the game, or go to a bar or something to watch it, where people pay even less attention to the commercials....

  9. Luckily it's irrelevant... or is it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just another example of how out of touch governmental bodies (FCC included) are with reality.

    All these things do is legitimize 'illegal' copying and sharing. As rules and regulations become more and more absurd, more people feels no need to obey them.

    Once most everybody ignores the law it becomes largely irrelevant except as a means to create a new revenue source (i.e. direct fines, indirect contributions by the beneficiaries of the that law) for the government and/or a tool instill fear in the hearts of the government subjects (that's you and I.)

    After a second thought maybe the FCC is not in touch with reality after all.

  10. how about taxpayers.... by zogger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...funding their local "education" establishment and huge amounts of those monies going to subsidise the NFL and NBA "farm teams" in the schools? since when is getting children addicted to professional sports part of an "education"? Aren't there other athletic and fun pursuits that might cost less available? Why not make those businesses fund them instead? Why should people on pensions-more or less pretty fixed incomes, be asked to support professional sports leagues to perpetuate the societal addiction to team sports? If these profitable businesses have enough to pay salaries in the millions per year to "sports stars",it seems like they can fund local schools "teams" then, don't ask the tax payers to do it.

    1. Re:how about taxpayers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My experience (having been involved in college/university education now for many years) has been that many who get college athletic scholarships get their college careers managed so that they never have to learn anything. Its not like that in all colleges, but its true too often.

      I once was a member of an academic committee that reviewed students in the process of flunking out - I'd guess that almost two thirds of them were on athletic scholarships and many of those where only barely literate. Worse yet, any time we ruled that a student was not doing well enough to play (say 0.5 GPA out of 4) we had to spend weeks handling complaints and appeals from the athletic department.

      It is also often the case that students get an extra tax ("activity fee") levied on them that funds athletics. Such levies are almost impossible to remove as they've become essentially entitlements for athletic departments.

    2. Re:how about taxpayers.... by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure what you're arguing for here.

      People don't go to college to major in football, typically.

      You pretty much answered your own question. The purpose of college sports is not, with most schools and for most students, to prepare atheletes for a career in atheletics. That's not where their priorties lie.

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    3. Re:how about taxpayers.... by endoboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      People don't go to college to major in football, typically.

      hmmm... don't get out much do you?

      A large percentage of the guys playing division one football went to college for precisely that major... the "phys ed" degree is a often a figleaf at best

    4. Re:how about taxpayers.... by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I meant at the local public school level, where your property taxes go. Grade school, junior and senior high. That's where the professional leagues and their advertisers set the hook for the life long addiction and profits. At college/university level, it's professional, and I think 99% of the public has accepted that decades ago, just they technically claim it's still amature. I'm aware that sports make money at the college level and is wildely supported by "the masses" guy. I think it's embarassing for our society, but to each their own. Mores the pity that that is what it takes in our society to even give a semblance of academic support and to drum up any enthusiasm for education.

    5. Re:how about taxpayers.... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      His statement was correct:

      People don't go to college to major in football, typically.

      You are saying:

      Football players do go to college to major in football, typically.

      A much different statement.

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  11. Re:Analog outputs by slughead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet you guys still don't vote Libertarian. We've been saying for years that the FCC just continues to get more and more powerful, in addition to being an evil censoring draconian cesspool to begin with. We told you that no republicrat would ever take power away from them, and that it would continue to get worse.

    But nooo, you wouldn't listen to me, "oh it's just a little bunny rabbit" you said...

  12. Ignorance is just as deadly as patents by Bruha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it comes to technology our own government leaders are out of touch. GB does not even use email and if that's a example of how smart our USPTO,Congress, and others are then were in big trouble.

    I dont believe that what Tivo is doing is such a bad thing. What I do believe that the cable companies who are trying to knock Tivo off it's seat are probably the cause of the problems in the first place. All they had to do is put a bug in the ears of the RIAA,MPAA, and the NFL the latter which probably knows the least about the device. Then those groups go arguing to the FCC where they might have a slight idea of what MPEG2 consists of but I'm sure the group arguing against Tivo conviently forgot to mention the slow speeds of our current broadband services.

    Now 3 years down the road this will be a changed world in the US as the FTTP rollouts will be in full steam and will have probably crossed the 2million mark or even more and it would be a standard thing to have a 10/10 connection to the internet. It's even faster between neigborhoods with testing in Keller TX, on multi gig transferrs taking a few seconds. So I would expect that people could then easily send videos to others. Hell with a little work Tivo could turn your box into a Napster for tv shows, and other recordings using the combined networked Tivo's as local servers.

    Back to my point. These groups want to shut Tivo down so they can profit on their own distribution methods and limit choices to the consumer so they can inflate prices as they please. And it's true that NFL teams tend to milk whatever city they reside in through taxes. Now they want to milk the consumer even more through limited choice and high prices. If they wanted to do otherwise they would work with Tivo to come up with a acceptable solution and restrictions. However since they're not I have to stick with my original theory.

  13. Re:Registration Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is there a person on earth who doesn't have a registration to the New York Times and the Washington Post?

    They're two of the most important papers in America.


    The vast majority of the people on earth are not in America.

  14. Re:Analog outputs by OS24Ever · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This year is not the year to vote libertarian. I saw it said no better the other night on Real Time with Bill Mahr. Voting anything other than the current two parties on the presidential election means absolutely nothing, because if you loose, you've wasted your vote.

    However, voting libertarian for a Senate or House seat, or even more local government building up the third party from the ground up is the only way to go in the United States political system.

    So if you want to vote libertarian, do so to fill seats in the house/senate not the presidential race. That'll never fix anything but let Bush back in office because the people more likely to vote libertarian would vote against Bush (not necessarily FOR his opponent either, but just to get him out of office)

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  15. The NFL Helps Keep the Masses Under Control by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do we keep subsidizing broken businesses? The NFL isn't like the airlines or Amtrak, our country could still function normally if some of the less profitable teams folded.

    Sports is the mechanism by which the powers that be keep the American people dumbed down, sedate, and easily controlled. More so than religion (although that is certainly also a potent tool in undermining a person's ability to think critically), more so than a shoddy educational system.

    Sports is the true opiate of the poeple. Baseball fans who can't balance their checkbook routinely excersize college level statistical analysis on their favorite player's batting averages and team's performance. Clearly these people aren't stupid per se, or necessarilly ignorant, but their creative and intellectual capacity has been stupified and hijacked toward ends that present no competition or threat to those who rule. The message is quite clear and effective: "think as much as you like, as long as it isn't about something important."

    The last thing they are ever going to do is allow a key component of the Bread and Circuses America is spoonfed to fall, regardless of how much of the rest of the economy subsidizing their existence will harm. Just as the Romans would routinely choose to ship expensive sand for the Colesium, rather than much needed food for the people, so to will our government choose to prop up Hollywood and the NFL, at any expense.

    To do otherwise risks the very real possibility that the sleeping, fooled and distracted masses of America might actually arise from the couch and get involved politically, and that is something none of the current politicans want ... particularly the current administration.

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    1. Re:The NFL Helps Keep the Masses Under Control by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Gee, it's a good thing you didn't mention how the worship of sports in our culture helps to create and reinforce the undercurrent of hatred and resentment of the intellectual in our society from school-aged children on up and acts as yet another control on meaningful dissent.

      You might touch a nerve.

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    2. Re:The NFL Helps Keep the Masses Under Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow...I would be much more inclined to think that the parent poster is the one sitting in his basement and hasn't seen the light of day in years. Intelligent people have a very wide variety of knowledge. For example: science, math, politics, literature, sports, entertainment, etc. People that put down others for being sports fans are really missing the boat. The GP is expressing his feelings as an intelligent person with a broad knowledge of life, and people like you use old, tired cliches like "dumb jock" because he is interested in more than the "classic geek topics".

      Shame on you, free your mind.

    3. Re:The NFL Helps Keep the Masses Under Control by jburroug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey asshole you might want to check out this new thing called reading. If you were to use the magic of reading on the parent post you'd notice that he said nothing negative about playing sports or engaging in any other physical activity. He was asserting that watching sports and obsessing over the antics of spoiled millionares contributes to making Americans complacent and intellectually lazy. Which is clearly true, as you've so thoughtfully demostrated.

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  16. Corporate welfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's refreshing to see the NFL has been rather open about the whole purpose of FCC-recognized corporate welfare. When asked why the NFL was demanding governmental heavy-handedness and intervention in the free market, the NFL suit answered:

    "It's a question of pure ability to sell tickets," said Frank Hawkins, the NFL's senior vice president for business affairs.

    Exactly. Hawkins goes on to explain that "they'll never sell out those December games if they are unable to enforce the blackout rule" (meaning manipulate, coerce and destroy consumer choice). The honest answer, however, is that the value of a northern market outdoor stadium seat significantly diminishes as it gets damn cold in December. And this is the consumer's problem how?

    Has the NFL ever studied popsicle sales, especially looking at them in, say, January in Detroit? (Clue: The local Good Humor man doesn't drive down neighborhood streets when the outside temperature is lower than that of his product!) What about the hot soup sales at Disney World in July? If you've hit Disney's parks at different times of the year, you'll learn that they're well in tune to the weather and consumer behavior (ever notice the umbrellas that amazingly pop up all over at the stands just as the drops are starting to fall?)

    If these businesses were run like the NFL, we'd have the government shutting down grocery stores in Orlando and limiting the only food choice to Campbell's Cream of Brocalli in order to protect the Disney soup racket.

    Just as the RIAA doesn't understand (nor care about) the consumers of its industry's products, the NFL has lost it on fans. A Cleveland Browns seat may be worth $125 in September, but certainly not in December. Their inability to understand this is not grounds for absurd government intervention, and any bureaucrat that supports this nonsense is probably on someone's payola (hey Junior Powell - get your Redskins season tickets yet?).

  17. Re:Broadcast flag out of control by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The entire SYSTEM is out of control. The article covers everything from the abuse of the broadcast flag to benefit rich folks at the top of effectively monopolized industries to the fleecing of taxpayers to fund "public" stadiums that they have to then pay exhorbitant prices to get into, and pay exhorbitant prices to eat in. Just think, you could be funding your local superstar's overblown salary so that he can snag 14 million dollars a year to support his coke habit. You ARE funding the FCC to tell you what you can and (more often than not) can't do with the video signal broadcast from that stadium your tax dollars built. If you live in California, you're paying tax dollars to enforce "protection" measures in movie theaters by funding police that now have to respond to copyright violations.

    People amaze me. They just do. It just never crosses that thick bone barrier in the majority of this country's moronic populace that every which way they turn, whether it be shopping at Wal-Mart, buying movie tickets, buying CDs, or buying sporting even tickets, that they're actually paying people to make them poorer. The sheer ignorance that the regular public has proven itself capable of is overshadowed only by the fact that the situation just keeps getting worse. Not only are they not smart enough to stop it, they're too dumb to see that they're being fed their nieghbor's body parts in the trough.

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  18. Diable Analog by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even if this were to fly ( much to the glee of the RIAA and MPAA ) how do they propse we listen/watch things?

    Ive not seen too many digital earbuds.. or digital portable TVs...

    Espically audio, it has to be analog at some point.. but then again, if they ban A/D converters, then i guess they have won.. and hopefully noone will listen to music again, until the laws are repealed and the morons that are passing them are put in jail.

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  19. Value Added and the future of broadcasting by CdBee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess we're coming to a point where the consumer protests about the lack of "added value" in broadcast media. When you go to a football match, or a baseball game, or a rock concert you're getting to see people performing live for your entertainment. That shows talent and professionalism, and it's the sort of thing for which people should expect to pay a reasonable price.

    Broadcast media,however, is a service for which we already pay once in channel access charges, and now technologu is being deployed to prevent us sharing the pre-packaged, re-transmitted coverage of old events for which we've already paid if not once then several times.

    Contrary to the apparent beliefs of the broadcast industry, subscribers are sophisticated enough to know when they're being ripped off, and when a service provider loses the trust of its customer base no amount of law or technology can save them.

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  20. Re:Analog outputs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Oh, please. You know very well that John Kerry isn't going to do a god damn thing about Iraq. What the hell else is there as a reason to vote Democrat this year?

    It's important to show your support for third party candidates because THEY can put the Democrats and Republicans in check in future elections. People like you are small-minded in thinking that one major party is all that much different than the next. They're both corrupt, and will put corporate interest before anything else.

    You don't "waste" your vote by voting for an independent or third party. You show your support for something MUCH GREATER in America's future, when you find out that YOU'VE wasted your vote on the latest Republicrat robot.

    Watch... Even when Kerry is elected, you'll find that nothing has changed. The Democrats insist that "the Bush Administration mismanaged the war", but are not likely to do anything to improve it... Let alone pull out of Iraq.

  21. Gave up tv by accident by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This really does relate to the topic at hand. I'm not trying to be morally superior or anything. Just want to give you some advice about reducing your tv habits before the DRM kicks in.

    I gave up television a year ago tomorrow when I moved and decided that I couldn't afford the price of cable at least for a month or so during the transition to the new location.

    I've always been a television junky though and really expected that I'd get something: satellite, cable, or even go back to antenna broadcasts. I'd come in from work and HAVE to have the tv playing something in the background. I remember even driving around for several weekends evaluating different recording technologies (Tivo looked the most promising) and I probably would have even bought one in anticipation if I'd already decided whether I was getting satelite or cable service.

    For housewarming, christmas, and my birthday I received some fantastic DVD series (Six Feet Under, Babylon 5, some britcoms and music documentaries) that I'd put into my computer or dvd player when I just wanted something on. Six Feet Under was so good that I actually thought of getting HBO to see the show (but I'd have missed two seasons which weren't out yet on DVD).

    I was talking to an old friend who knew of my pop-culture, tv-addicted habits. He wanted me to watch the new Battlestar Galactica but I told him that I didn't have cable. Not to worry he said, it'd be rebroadcast that night and later in the week if I thought my cable would be back on then. He was in shock when I told them that I didn't have a subscription and didn't really intend to get one. They said that such a declaration from a television addict like me was akin to Bill Gates switching to Mac OS X.

    With some efforts above and beyond the call of my friend, I did wind up watching the Battlestar remake and quite enjoyed it. I probably would have liked it better without the incessant commercials (on a DVD release or something). I'd forgotten just how annoying those things can be.

    Now with stories like this, it appears that the DRM is only going to get worse. The advertising is only going to get longer and bolder. I wish I could say that my decision was one of moral rectitude, but it was really one of evolved practicality. I can say that giving up tv is a whole lot easier than you probably imagine (I certainly couldn't imagine it).

    Give it up now while your friends can still videotape those one or two shows that you "must see". It'll only get more expensive and more difficult when DRM comes on the scene.

    1. Re:Gave up tv by accident by tyroneking · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why not just give up TV altogether... I have done this several times here in the UK, where TV is usually pretty c*** ... only returning to the demon box because I was missing the Simpons.

      During my time away from it I found I was sleeping better, reading more, and generally having a better quality of life.

      Now I'm back on the box - but seriously considering ditching it once again; especially as each time I settle down to another wasted evening I can't help thinking that television really is the drug of the nation.

  22. Re:Analog outputs by StillAnonymous · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank you for posting that. People complain about the way things currently are, and others pipe in with the "well don't just bitch about it, go vote and fix the system!" And yet it's these same people who then tell you that you are wasting your vote when you don't vote for one of the major parties.

    That attitude just really bugs me. I refuse to vote for someone I don't want in power just to tip the scales for someone else. If everyone keeps doing this, then a 3rd party will NEVER win. I'll vote for the party I want, and if they don't win, then they don't win. But at least I'll sleep well at night knowing I did the right thing.

  23. This is an absolute RIOT by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, suppose that TIVO plays along with this little farce. It will pass on the additional expenses to the customers in some form or another. Higher expenses, higher prices. No big deal, right? (I would be pissed though. I hate pro sports, and never watch them, so why should I have to pay anything?)

    UNTIL, some SE Asian company makes a Tivo clone that does everything that a tivo does, EXCEPT pay attention to broadcast flags, or pay 'protection' fees to the NFL. Now they have a product that is better, and cheaper, because it left a feature out. Basically they have built a better mousetrap by not adding something on.

    Adding 'features' like CSS, Macrovision, Broadcast flags, and Trusted Computing Controls will ALWAYS fail because if you have a single company/person who decides not to play by the rules, they can build a better product by simply not doing adding in the encryption features.

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  24. Re:Account by eMartin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    THe point isn't to use it for sites that you frequent. For those, you may as well make an account that won't get disabled by the site or someone else.

    What Bug Me Not is good for is the sites you go to once, and don't want to be bothered with setting up the account just for one story or download. In those cases it is faster, especially if you have the browser extension.

  25. TV Monopoly, that's the problem by saikou · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ever since I moved here from Europe I was wondering WHY I am not allowed to watch local stations from other areas. I mean they are already on the transponder, why can't I see local ABC from, say, NY? FCC does not allow that to protect local tv stations monopoly. If it was not for this rule, you'd always be able to watch your favorite game by simply switching to another local station.
    So, perhaps we should do something about that rule first. And when all local stations (ok, many local stations if not all, satellite feed is limited in size after all) are easily available anywhere in continental US, NFL et all won't be able to force local black-out, as viewers would simply flip the channel.

  26. Wait, is this Slashdot? by snarkasaurus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can this be the same Slashdot where I get flamed all the time for mentioning the Second Amendment?

    You boys and girls seem all upset when the Federal Government starts depriving you of your toys and amusements, like analog plugs for your TiVo. Lots of complaints about how dumb and crooked all these arguments are I see. Well, you know, you're right. It is dumb and crooked.

    Welcome to Gun Owner Land kids. How do you like it so far?

  27. Re:Too Many Complications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's time for a constitutional admendment that prevents anything other than a living breathing human being from owning a copyright.

  28. This is about TiVo becoming a broadcast network... by UpLock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is not about the broadcast flag and only vaguely about fair use and your rights as a consumer. This is about TiVo establishing their right to redistribute content ths same way your local cable provider redistributes you local broadcast station. CATV tested these limits in the midwest in the fifties with tall towers and local coax. Ted Turner broke the mold with TBS and CNN making Atlanta a global distribution hub. TiVo is taking this to the Internet, as a new means of redistributing content. They just push the cable headend out to your TiVo box and let you serve your friends and your common programming interests. Thus the requirement for subscriber ID's. TiVo needs to know who, anonymously aggregated, is watching what--because, like all television networks, they will rise or fall as a business by proving market demographics, both to advertizers and to content vendors who will want to get on their network--to distribuet movies. Don't be confused by the appeal to the FCC--this is part of TiVo's on again-off again struggle to find a business model they can defend.

  29. Re:Analog outputs by mwa · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We all, liberals and conservatives, need to push the government to fix the voting system.

    It's not the voting system. It's the funding system.

    How about we pass a law that says only U.S. citizens can contribute or financially support a candidate? No PAC funding. No "soft" party funding. No corporate funding. No foriegn funding. If any of those want to help a candidate financially, they have to get out and get citizens to open their wallets for their chosen cattle-herder.

    (And don't tell me that this infringes those "entities" First Ammendment rights. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights" refers to mankind and does not include some legal fiction called a "natural person")

    That would make elections very different, don't you think?

    Here's another one: No one, and I mean no one , gets on any ballot anywhere without a petition signed by some number of registered voters. Why should citizens of every party be funding primary elections for members of just 2. Want to make a difference? Change your registration to "No Party Preference" and bitch like hell that your funding primaries for parties you don't belong to. It's called "taxation without representation." If everyone who feels neither the Demicans or Repulicats represent them did this, I believe the majority of voters would be thus registered and the parties would have no justification for imposing their candidates on a ballot.

    Contrary to popular opinion, the "two party system" is not a U.S. mandate, it's just tradition. The 2 we have now are not the 2 we have always had, but they've rigged the system so heavily that unless we act they will be from this point on.

    We do not have a democracy in the U.S. Worse, we no longer have a democratic republic (which is what it was really designed to be.) What we have is a contributoracracy, and that's the way it will stay until we cut off the cash flow from anywhere other than the people. The ones as in "government of the people, by the people and for the people."

    Freaking parties, committees and corporations are NOT people . People - WE - are not consumers, customers, constituents, markets or even voters. By law, WE ARE THE GOVERNEMENT, but only if we are willing to take responsibility for governing those we elect to serve us .

    So get out, not only to vote, but to make your voice heard and your presence felt. Unless and until we become as vocal and as demanding as our "special interest" opponents they will continue to win. If a third party candidate represents your ideals VOTE FOR THEM. To try to fudge your vote to manipulate who among the others doesn't represent you less is like putting all your money on 42 at the roulette table. It only goes to 36, so you're not going to win. But there is no chance in hell that you'll actually change the numbers on the wheel either.

    (If you can't find anyone else, write-in "mwa on slashdot". If nothing else, it will freak the power people out to see anybody get more than a handful of write-ins ;)

  30. Re:Analog outputs by Dan+Ost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Voting anything other than the current two parties on the presidential election means absolutely nothing, because if you loose, you've wasted your vote.

    This is a dangerous misconception.

    A vote for a losing party is not wasted as long as there isn't a single
    dominant party. As long as there are two dominant parties, then there is
    competition for votes. If a non-dominant third party gets some small percentage
    of the votes, then there is pressure on both of the dominant parties to make
    changes in order to appeal to those voters so as to better compete against
    the other dominant party.

    In effect, a vote for a non-dominant third party is actually a more powerful
    vote than a vote for a dominant party since a third party vote can change the
    policy of both dominant parties as long as they have reason to believe that
    they can earn your vote (this is why you should never come off as a fanatic
    since nobody expects to appease a fanatic).

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    *sigh* back to work...
  31. Re:Account by Xanlexian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess it doesn't really matter.

    My local grocery store "saver's card" shows I'm a black woman born in 1945 named, "Juanita Junebug".

    Seriously.

    --Xan

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    "Congratulations, Boots. Your robot has become self-aware. You're a daddy now." -- Dr. Rho Bowman
  32. The American college sportssystem is system by DABANSHEE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In Europe soccer players don't go off to uni to further their career, they simply go & get a job at a footy club playing soccer.

    Here in Sydney, Australia, Rugby League players don't go off to uni to further their career, they simply go of & get a job at a footy club playing the greatest game on earth. Then later they retire & buy a pub or sports store or become a commentator.

    It seems to me in the US a college education has become a prestigue/class thing that everyone's expected to have if they don't want to be consided a red neck illiterate, never mind the fact it's not desirable for everyone to desire a college education.

    AFAIC sports people are much better off pursueing their sporting career by playing their sport when they're young 'n strong. They can always go to uni mature-age in their 30's after they've retired from injuries.

    1. Re:The American college sportssystem is system by mdfst13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please replace "often" with "occasionally" in your post. Many college football and basketball players limp through college, barely maintaining grades enough to play (even with the team paying for extra tutoring). Even though many of these will never play in the pros, they still think they might and concentrate on sports. The only reason that this doesn't happen with baseball and hockey players is that they have real minor league systems. This pulls out those more interested in sports than education. In football and basketball, athletes who want to be serious about their sport must go to college.

      Yes, it is possible for people to use athletic scholarships to get a college education in a rigorous pursuit (law, medicine, engineering, etc.). However, many do not take full advantage of this and walk away without an education or with only an undergraduate degree in in phys ed (education usually requires post post grad work to get a teaching certificate).

      Not to mention that schools below division I will look for smarter athletes to whom they can justify an academic scholarship, bypassing academically superior candidates.

      Btw, I supported myself through college while working a near minimum wage job with nothing more than Stafford loans. It is by no means impossible to do so. The time management is certainly no more difficult than participating in athletics. People who are truly needy have options that were not available to me: Perkins Loans, government grants, college support. Athletic scholarships are never required -- just helpful.

  33. Re:Registration Required by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I use the internet to get news because I want to find out what's going on in the world. My experience of American news outlets is that they tell you very little about what's going on outside the U.S. Therefore I read British news sites (and /.).

  34. An Accident of History by serutan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To keep this in perspective, let's remember that the whole copy-protection issue is an accident of history. Publishers, broadcasters and record companies have been able to flourish all these years because the general public simply didn't have the capability to widely distribute copies of things. If distributing copies had been as trivially simple as it is now, at the time sound and video recordings were invented, there would be no media companies because there would have been no market for records and tapes. People who wanted to make money in that area would have had to do it in a different way, or not at all. We would not have it ingrained in our minds that the world can't function properly unless someone owns or controls the distribution of every image and sound they produce. It's not a moral imperative, it's just an idea we are used to. If we want to, we can get used to other ideas just as well.

  35. Buy your own stadiums! by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    During the OJ trial I learned that he makes $25,000 a month from his retirement package from the NFL. That's obviously $300,000 a year.

    I consider that an obscene amount of money considering he only worked 10 years for the NFL. And even then he only worked at most 6 months out of each year.

    If the NFL can afford to give someone who worked less than five years a lifetime salary of $300,000, it has a LOT of money.

    Thus the question is: Why can't its owners buy their own god-damn stadiums?!?!

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    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
    1. Re:Buy your own stadiums! by gerardrj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This could all end with one simple law. That law:eliminating the government protection of major league sports monopolies/cartels.

      MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. You can't, for example, just form a team and start playing the Yankees, you need to pay MLB millions of dollars and get their okay for an "expansion team".

      The Fed says if you want to play professional baseball, you have to play according to the MLB rules (which include censorship of local games to increase ticket sales).

      I think if a city, county or state, or private group for that matter, wants to form a team and compete professionally, that they should. Sports should be an open an free market, not controlled by a few multi-billionaires and played by a few multi -millionaires .

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      Article X: The powers not delegated... by the Constitution...are reserved...to the people
  36. Re:Analog outputs by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last time I voted for a Libertarian Presidential candidate, my vote was literally not counted for several weeks. On election night, only the Demopublicans were counted, and the perecentages were "normalized" so that they totaled 100%. Two weeks later, they announced the real percentages of all the candidates.

    If voting changed anything, they'd outlaw it.

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    -- Don't Tase me, bro!

  37. Re:Analog outputs by mwa · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hmm... Freedom of Speech? Right to be secure in private property? Any of that...

    So let's see... People have rights, legal fictions (corporations/PACS/parties) consist of people, therefore legal fictions have rights. I think that's the legal precedent that got us into this mess.

    No one can or should stop the people that comprise those entities from speaking their minds or contributing to campaigns. As individuals, they have those rights. As individuals, they can send out communications to their employees/interests/members urging them to do likewise. Whose rights are being abridged?

    Campaign contributions are already limited (with alternate paths around the limitations big enough to drive a truck through), so following your assumption, we are alreading restricting freedom of speech. I don't think that's true.

    (And I don't get where you pulled the right to be secure in private property from.)

  38. Re:Analog outputs???? by Catamaran · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd vote libertarian if it weren't for the fact that I disagree with them on most of the issues.

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  39. We are now reaping what we sow by tkrotchko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We've given the FCC veto power over consumer electronics.

    We've given the RIAA, MPAA, and virtually everybody who owns "content" veto power over consumer electronics.

    Why should I pay for something that I don't control? If I pay all that money for a Tivo, don't I have the right to decide what to do with it?

    Apparently not.

    If not for this hidden article in the Post, how many people would even be aware how much intrusion into our lives is happening via these folks?

    You either let your congressman/senator know now, or yet another right will be lost. If it isn't already.

    --
    You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
  40. Re:Analog outputs by WiseWeasel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's Wolfen... :P
    If you don't think the Bush administration escalated the WoD, you must have missed Ashcroft's crackdown on medical marijuana and paraphanelia, as well as the (ab)use of the Patriot Act to prosecute drug dealers (methamphetamines, to be specific - while our troops in the Gulf are running on go-pills) as terrorists. I'd also like to see you try to reconcile your supposed libertarian beliefs with the largest increase in federal government institutions and power in the form of the Homeland Security Dept. and Transportation Dept. expansion, and the Patriot Act, respectively. In the last four years, the federal govt. has made a huge power grab, while cutting state funding for their own institutions, leaving the states' power greatly weakened. This flies in the face of libertarian ideals, and falls more in line with extreme right-wing nationalist ones. You, sir, are no libertarian. The supposed tax break, which was only significant to the cream of society, was nothing but an illusion to appease his conservative base (and a way of shoveling money to his contributors' accounts). For most Americans, the little money they got back was nothing but an extremely high-interest loan that will be paid for down the road as the deficit payments keep increasing. This money will not be coming from the top 1% of society which benefitted from it, but rather from social security (what's left of it) and the taxes of the middle and lower classes. It's extremely short-sighted to believe for one second that you will pay less taxes in your lifetime thanks to this administration's actions. Kerry is by no means an ideal president, but after bush, (and besides his cabinet), just about anyone would be able to do a better job, for the people. If libertarians support corporate welfare, corruption, needless war, increased federal power and institutions, and increased debt payments, then I must have missed a whopper of a day in my political science classes.

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    "I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
  41. FoS by fuckingcunt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Field of Schemes an excellent website devoted to exposure of the great stadium swindle.

  42. It's not the funding system. It's the voters. by silentbozo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about we pass a law that says only U.S. citizens can contribute or financially support a candidate? No PAC funding. No "soft" party funding. No corporate funding. No foriegn funding. If any of those want to help a candidate financially, they have to get out and get citizens to open their wallets for their chosen cattle-herder.

    And how does this help? The PACs, corporations, and foreign interest will just run "issue ads", and fund "action groups" with no ties (direct or indirect) to the campaign in question. It's what they're doing now on behalf of the Democrats, in order to get around the McCain-Feingold campaign reform law, because they don't have the same kind of direct-donor money machine the Republicans do.

    Face it. The problem isn't the money machines that the major parties use. It's US. We should be able to distinguish fact from fiction, do our own research, and discount the MTV/PepsiSmash-ized media circus that passes for news and commentary today. There should be unbiased sources for news, accurate and in-depth debate, clear discussions of party planks with the general public, and a reasoned and insightful choice come voting day.

    Instead, we have lies delivered as truth. Emotion and hyperbole delivered as matter-of-fact. Sound bites and media campaigns designed to influence public opinion. Bread and circuses to corral votes and keep incumbents in power. AND WE (as in the American people) ACCEPT IT.

    Do you honestly think that we can restrict their money, and keep them to the spirit of the law, when we can't even keep them in check now? We need to take the foxes out of the henhouse before we staple the wire netting in place. Otherwise, we're just ensconing the foxes right where they want to be.

    Personally, I think two things would help to change the political landscape in this country, money or no:

    1. Move election day to the first Tuesday after Tax Day. Let's see the politicians try and raise their salaries for themselves and justify it when people see how much money the government is taking.

    2. Regularize redistricting, and get rid of the winner-take all system. Right now, gerrymandering continues across the country with the consent of both parties, in an effort to create districts that are bulletproof for the incumbent party. We should regularize districts on a grid basis by population, and combine the elections for multiple districts in order to prevent the 50%+1 system from ensuring that only major party candidates can secure representation.

    Number one isn't going to happen, not with the current politicos in power. Number two might happen on a local basis, assuming you have a voter initiative system in place, and someone with enough guts and money to ram it through. But you're going to need to break the legislative stranglehold on things - one reason why I like governor Schwartzenegger's proposed plan to cut the California legislature to part-time status.

    In the meantime, what can WE (as in the Slashdot crowd) do? Well, first thing is to get that GeekPAC running (geekpac.org, supposedly - and it's down, for who knows how long.) The second is to break up the media empires that politicians cater to for positive spin and information control. The third is to encourage competition on all fronts, in order to churn up the layers of sediment, and get proper representation going. Lastly, is to educate the populace (not an easy task) and get them to treat the vote with more respect than they treat the rest of government.

    There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order.

  43. Re:Analog outputs by Alric · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hatta, I understand your sentiment; I really do. As I became more politically astute and more aware of U.S. history, I grew disillusioned. However, lately I pulled out that cynicism. There are some realities in this election that affect me and my family.

    Kerry is far from perfect, but let me ask you a few questions. Consider your answers.

    Are you concerned about the environment? Should the U.S. sign international clean air accords? Should we be more concerned about water pollution, arsenic levels in municipal water, mercury in our seafood?

    Do you think homosexual couples should have the same rights afforded to heterosexal couples? Should they have spousal healthcare, child custody rights, home-maker rights in divorces, untaxed transfer of money to spouses?

    Are you in favor of a woman's ability to have an abortion? Do you want the Christian Coalition to impose their rights on every single person in the United States?

    Do you care that health care coverage has been reduced/removed for millions of people? Does it matter that more families are struggling to pay for their medical expenses? Who cares about the unlucky people in the world that need help? Is it right to give a tax-break to millionaires when the average middle class citizen has over $3000 in high-interest debt?

    I think Kerry is probably just as corrupt as Bush. Nader seems to be the best of the bunch. However, the truth is that Bush is in the pocket of big business, the pharmaceutical, oil/energy, military /industrial complex. Kerry seems to be in the pocket of unions and trial lawyers, among others.

    There might be no real differences on campaign finance reform, criminal justice (esp. drug war) reform, investing in alternative energies, hawkish rhetoric on this "war on terror", or even effective concern for problems in the rest of world (esp. HIV). However, there are some real differences that will affect real people, people that need help.

    Voting matters. If that ~50% of eligible voters ,who don't vote, started taking an interest in politics and trying to make a difference, maybe we could actually effect some real changes. Those who are powerful love it when the dissenters remain quiet.

    That's my opinion. I don't hate Nader for running; in fact I respect him more for it. If you're not going to follow your beliefs when it's an "inconvenient" time to do so, then what good are beliefs. However, I do think Nader should maybe start with slightly lower ambitions. Maybe he should run for a position in the House first. Then I would be much more willing to vote for him as the PRESIDENT.

  44. Re:Broadcast flag out of control by thogard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Study the concept of non-zero-sum-gain sometime. While in the short term your statement is true, its not always. Back in econ 101 we lear that if you have two people and one is good at fishing and the other better at basket making, if they can trade products and both be better off. What the poster was commenting about is about buying the $1.26 item at Wal-Mart vs the locally made one at $1.96 means your going to decrease the total wealth in your area and then you end up paying more in taxes so your transaction turns out to be a negitive-sum-gain.

  45. Television is an outdated tech, jeez. by TyrranzzX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I haven't watched TV in 3 years; instead, I either go to my local bittorrent site and get the shows from there if there's something worth watching, or I'll buy a DVD of anime here or there. I also don't get commercials this way, which is really really nice because I hate them with a vengance.

    Frankly, TV is going to go downhill as better p2p networks, storage, and more bandwidth become available. And with those, better business practices. We've got 320 gig harddisks now, with dsl connections. In 10 years, we'll have several terrabyte sized disks with t3 pipes going to each household, if the economy keeps on it's path, not to mention more processing power. If a decent quality movie fits on a cd, then a 120 of them will fit on a drive; that's a quite a library...

    I only see this as a law that will attempt to slow the speed of this adoption. We'll also see other adoptions such as being able to buy an entire season of some show for $5-$10, whereas you're paying for faster bandwidth to download a high quality copy that's insured against bad stuff and isn't crippled or bad quality in any way. P2P is reliable but it isn't fast, you don't get insurance against bad copies, low quality, or that someone didn't rename bad porn as a movie. I personally don't see it slowing down the adoption at all; whatever encryption they make, someone will inevitably break and rebroadcast.

    As for the few topics above this that are talking about taxes going to fund corporations; as long as the people don't know, they won't care. Grease the monkey and he'll grease you back, that's the name of the game.

  46. end of inovation by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow this is truly amazing. Anyone remember the day when we all had VCR's and we could record anything that was being broadcast and send copies to friends? Do you think the FCC was ever involved when VCR manufactures added a feature to automatically record a program at a certain day and time? No. But suddenly, now that technology as improved they want to stop it.

    There was never a broadcast flag in the past, why should there be one now? Did someone force me to sign an EULA before I watch TV broadcast on public airwaves? In the past there was a natural limitation that prevented games broadcast locally from being seen in other areas of a country (the signal only transmitted so far), now the FCC wants to maintain that limitation through an artificial administrative control system?

    Look, if they want to attack someone it shouldn't be the end user or the company that manufactures the device. They are only going to hurt the consumer and the hardware manufactures. Maybe shuting down websites or people who are providing copies of programs to 100's of strangers would be appropriate. But telling a manufacturer that they have to change a 1 to a 0 in their code is ludicrous. Frustrating consumers is just wrong.

  47. Re:Analog outputs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    (And don't tell me that this infringes those "entities" First Ammendment rights. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights" refers to mankind and does not include some legal fiction called a "natural person")

    Um, you're quoting from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. The First Amendment says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Note that "the people" only comes in AFTER freedom of speech and the press (and "freedom .... of the press" explicitly includes non-personal entitites).

  48. Quid Pro Quo by clambake · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "It's a question of pure ability to sell tickets," said Frank Hawkins, the NFL's senior vice president for business affairs.

    Why is the NFL allowed to say this but Tivo not allowed to counter with "It's a question of the pure ability to sell Tivos"? Seriously, what makes a professional sports team more important than any other business?