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City of Munich Freezes Its Linux Migration

Jan0815 writes "Yesterday I received disturbing news from the CTO of Munich, Wilhelm Hoegner. As previously mentioned, there is a rising concern that software patents could stifle development of open source worldwide. FFII has complete coverage of what is going on in Europe." (FFII stands for Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure.) Reader jmt(tm) writes "The call for bids was supposed to be published in late July, but the Munich Green Party had pointed out about 50 possible patent conflicts which the city wants to evaluate before moving on."

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  1. Attempt to stop those patents by laurensv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ask yourself: Why would the FFII do this research if it hinders the proces of linux in Munich? Altough their document has the following statement: In May the EU Council and Commission have reached "political agreement" to legalise software patents and reject all limits of patentability for which the European Parliament had voted in September 2003., software patents aren't already decided, the newly elected european parliament have to have their say and I think this is an effort to keep everybody focused. I'm thinking this focused maily on the ministers of the member states,last meeting they had this was past silently, but lateron the Dutch minister got some noise from the Dutch parliament. Now seeing Munich has much the same coalition as the German government, this might be directed to the German minister who's in that meeting.

  2. A political decision by mocm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The decision to freeze the project is more of a political statement to force the federal government to take a clear stand on the EU patent directive.
    The green party wants to point out what harm a law that allows software patents can have for small and mid sized companies.

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  3. Not only a danger to Open & Free software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The FFI press release says "Software patents are considered the greatest danger to the usage and development of Linux and other Free Software."

    However, it is MUCH worse than that. Software patents are a danger to ALL software development, particularly software done by small firms or in-house, which is where most of the software development is done. If software is patentable, and if all those obvious patents are granted and upheld. No-one will be able to develop any software for fear of being sued.

    I hope the software patents issue is not seen to be only an issue for Open Source and Linux. It's not. It's a danger to all of us. Even if companies will still create new software, it will be much more expensive due to research and defense of possible patent infringement, patent fees, and additional coding to work around expensive patents.

  4. Re:...EU software patents? by cHiphead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    actually i see it more as idealism trying to build a wall against reality. the reality is that patents promote greed not science/knowledge/research, and the reality that people really can come up with the same idea in the same context without ever knowing about the other person's work. (!shock!)

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  5. Re:...EU software patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or, it is a case of idealism running smack into the wall of reality.

    But it's a reality that doesn't have to exist.

    Linux being abandoned in Europe because software patents "have" to be introduced would be a bit like the cure for cancer being discovered and promptly suppressed because cancer "has" to be incurable.

    There is no sight more demoralizing for the idealist than seeing work on the construction of the wall of reality speed up as he approaches.

  6. Re:...EU software patents? by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I disagree the problem is software patents. Patenting ideas is just too general purpose and the same idea tends to be come up with hundreds to hundreds of thousands of times all over the world without anyone knowing about the patent. Software patents just give a monopoly to the first person to get the idea patented no matter how many others come up with it.

    Nobody comes up with ideas on their own since none of us is on an island completely seperated from the rest of humanity. You added your small piece to the idea of many others and that should not give you any right to control that.

    Look at how many came up with stuff like read-copy-update stuff. Things are independently come up with so many times in so many places that software patents are just not a good idea. We all build our stuff on the backs of others and when we get to a certain level of knowledge as a whole the same idea will be come up with in many places.

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  7. Re:some more details who supports what here... by johannesg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Losing the city of Munich to Microsoft would be a minor setback. Losing the European patent battle would be an unmitigated disaster.

    So, yes, they are doing the right thing. Let's pray it works out.

  8. Re:...EU software patents? by Jason+Earl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now let's run this through a real life example. You spend years creating something completely different. Something new enough that it truly deserves a patent (say something on the order of public key encryption), and you create a product and start to market it. The big software companies, especially Microsoft, immediately set to work cloning your work, and within a year they have competing products.

    However, you have a patent on the really clever bits, right? So you are saved.

    Wrong! Instead, when you approach Microsoft and friends about licensing your patents they simply show you 20 patents of theirs that you violate. Microsoft has patented the double-click, for crying out loud. Your patent lawyer then advises that you sign a cross-licensing deal with these companies, and asks you for a big fat paycheck. So now you have spent years creating the software, and tens of thousands of dollars patenting your ideas and you are still screwed.

    The only way for the little guy to win with patents is to see where the market is going, patent ideas that are likely to block upcoming software innovation, and then sit back and wait. The trick is to write absolutely no software. That way you don't violate anyone else's patents. In fact, that's what a lot of companies are doing. They don't actually create any software, they just lay out landmines for the folks that are actually doing the real work.

    Don't tell me that promotes innovation, because I don't buy it.