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Is Typing a Necessary Skill?

cloudwilliam asks: "The Christian Science Monitor has an interesting article on how many schools have stopped teaching touch-typing as a necessary office skill and are now often saying that basic computer skills are more important. I'd agree with the latter, but what about typing? I learned to type on an IBM Selectric II (and still own one, as a matter of fact) in the mid-1980s, and the last time I was tested, touch-typed at around 60 wpm. Is this an obsolete skill? With handwriting and voice recognition technologies, is using a QWERTY keyboard with nine out of ten fingers something worth knowing anymore?"

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  1. No by Zebra_X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Better to understand how the computer works, and learn to type as you use it. I don't think that voice and other technologies are going replace the KeyBwa anytime soon though.

    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree, for me, as my computer skills increased (and irc/chatting), typing came right along. And while I did my fair share of mario and mavis beacon classes, I never learned as much as I did just getting out and using my 386. (although I do type incorrectly, I can hit over 80 WPM)

    2. Re:No by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Funny
      I don't think that voice and other technologies are going replace the KeyBwa anytime soon though

      For some reason, I keep thinking of a scene in Star Trek IV where Scotty is seated at a circa-1980's computer trying to get it to operate.

      Scotty: "Computer!"

      Man in room (handing him a mouse): "Maybe you use this."

      Scotty (speaking into the mouse like it was a microphone): "COMPUTER!"

      Man in Room: "Maybe you should just use the keyboard"

      Scotty: "A keyboard? How quaint!"

    3. Re:No by a1englishman · · Score: 5, Funny
      the fact that he was so familiar with the software running on that Mac that he didn't even need to see it

      That's because the Mac UI is so unbelievably perfect, that it hasn't changed in the period between a Mac SE and the NCC1701. Hadn't you noticed the portrait of Steve Jobs hanging in the back of the engine room, all these years?

      Flame suit on!

    4. Re:No by Skater · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, the Mac UI is a bunch of unlabeled switches and random blinking lights? ;)

      --RJ

  2. Typing IS a necessary computer skill by shawnmchorse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last time I was tested, I was at around 105 wpm with 99% accuracy. That's just a byproduct of using computers day in and day out for years though, and not a result of any typing class. I gradually developed my own touch typing system, I guess.

    1. Re:Typing IS a necessary computer skill by vontrotsky · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're lucky. I type at about 30 wpm with low accuracy. And it sucks. Hard.

      As a programmer, and halfway decent touch typing class could make my life much much better.

      Jeff

    2. Re:Typing IS a necessary computer skill by gooru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Last time I was tested, I was at around 105 wpm with 99% accuracy. That's just a byproduct of using computers day in and day out for years though, and not a result of any typing class. I gradually developed my own touch typing system, I guess.

      I believe that schools are phasing this out not because touch typing is not a necessary skill but because most of the students can already type better than the teachers. I remember taking a required typing class 11 years ago and just being bored out of my mind, because I could already type at more than 90 wpm. (This was in sixth grade.) I would finish the daily assignment in three or four mintues and then screw around with the computer the rest of the period. I'm guessing that since then, the number of kids screwing around has increased exponentially and schools finally realized the class wasn't worth teaching any more.

    3. Re:Typing IS a necessary computer skill by Rorschach1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was a fast enough typist that when some joker hit the 'bold' key on my typewriter and it had to double-strike everything, I'd have a whole line in the buffer by the end of a timed test. The teacher would call 'stop' and all the noise in the room would stop, except for one single typewriter - mine - going clickety-click, clickety-clik all by itself.

      Then there was the blonde next to me who always used 'bold' because it sounded like she was typing faster...

  3. Don't think so by Giant+Ape+Skeleton · · Score: 5, Funny

    I dont thiunk typiong is a necasary skil ath all!

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  4. Vastly important by PatHMV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had typing in the 8th grade, and it was the single most practical class I ever had in school, period. You can type so much faster when you learn properly. There's a closer connection between your thoughts and getting them down in the computer. If anything, the prevalence of computers is making typing skills MORE crucial, not less. Before e-mail and word processors, bosses had clerical staff to type. Now the boss himself has to be able to type, too. So everybody needs basic keyboarding skills.

  5. Ask someone who can't type by JLavezzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ask adults who use compuers a lot and can't touch type if they wish they could. I hear a lot of, "Yes, I wish I could type."

    60 WPM isn't necessary. 25 would be better than hunt-and-peck.

  6. Re:typing is absolutely necessary by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a pity one of those keys isn't "shift" every once in a while.

  7. A necessary skill? by btsdev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is this an obsolete skill? With handwriting and voice recognition technologies, is using a QWERTY keyboard with nine out of ten fingers something worth knowing anymore?

    Uhh... Last I checked, it's the year 2004 and we haven't stopped using keyboards. How could typing, in the furthest stretch of the imagination, be an "obsolete skill?" Let's ask this question again in a decade from now when people might actually stop using keyboards. Unless I'm horribly misinformed, voice recognition is nowhere near popular and just about 99% of the population is still using the QWERTY layout.

  8. Re:The short answer... by RicoX9 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somehow referring to your "body parts" as the "short answer" doesn't seem very flattering for you.

  9. Good typing skills = less RSI by Hacksaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good typing means wrists raised in order to get the most strength and endurance, needed with the old manual typewriters. This also means better blood flow, which prevents RSI, at least to some degree.

    It also means less time waiting for your hands to catch up with your mind, and so gets out of the way of the creative process.

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  10. Re:10 years on the net by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's your reason to learn to touch-type: Speed.

    People who are good and very experienced at the index-fingers method often say "I can type 40wpm easy" (or in your case, 60wpm), as though that's incredibly fast.

    But computing professionals who touch-type can hit 110-130wpm (I get 110-120 on a good day). That's about twice as fast. When you're trying to hit a deadline, especially as a writer, it's a big deal to be able to type twice as fast, and that much closer to the speed of your thoughts, not to mention the fact that if you have to type for long periods of time, your accuracy won't suffer as much and your hands/arms won't get as tired if you touch-type, because there's less movement and fewer large muscles involved.

    There's also the matter of keystrokes, something that most people aren't as familiar with. The number of keystrokes per minute is at least as important for a hardcore computer user (keystroke tests use additional keys like ctrl, alt, shift, Fn, etc. and also test for number and punctuation skill). The ability to perform ctrl, alt, or Fn keystrokes in the midst of a stream of text typing without pausing and without having to look at the keyboard provides an additional serious speed increase in real-world computer use.

    And don't underestimate the drag of having to look at the keyboard, even a little. I can fill a spreadsheet at 110-120wpm, staring at a sheet of paper full of numbers the entire time, using tab and arrow keys for navigation, no pauses needed, just a continuous flow of keywork. I never once have to look at the screen and because I touch type, I know the minute I have made a typing error and can backspace and fix it, all without looking. I would guess that it would take you more than twice as long to enter a page full of numbers and formulae into a spreadsheet application, even if your measured typing speed is half of mine.

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  11. Some online typing tests by Lev13than · · Score: 5, Informative

    (although I do type incorrectly, I can hit over 80 WPM)

    This comment made me realize that I had no idea how fast I could type (never took a course). So, after a quick search here are some free on-line typing tests:

    TypingPal.com
    TypingTest.com

    Turns out that I'm in the 2nd decile with a respectable 58 wpm (mean is approx. 40, and anyone who claims >100 is either in the 99.8%-ile or is full of BS). A thorough analysis of typing speeds can be found here.

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    1. Re:Some online typing tests by Altrag · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is something that has consistently annoyed me. The reason backspacing is "soooo" bad is a layover from typewriter era as best I can tell --even on a typewriter with a good working backspace, if you don't notice it before you've gone to the next line, you throw the page away.

      This of course is complete BS in a modern word processor. I frequently use not only the backspace key, but things like word-left and the end key to correct my mistakes in a fraction of the time it would take to backspace all the way back and fix it.

      A modern typing test should really do a few things:
      a) measure mistakes after the entire text is typed. Would work even better with a count-up clock and a "Done" button than with a count-down clock like typingtest has.
      b) allow you to use the full range of editing keys in , including things like autocorrect and autocomplete (even when they autocomplete something wrong). Of course this is highly impractical unless the typing test is actually built into the word processor, but thats about the only way to get accurate real-world results using that particular program.

      Until those two conditions are met, typing tests of this sort are pretty much only measuring how fast you can type on a really really fast typewriter.

    2. Re:Some online typing tests by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 5, Informative

      TypingPal was also terrible because it assumed any attempt to hit backspace was an invalid key and marked you accordingly - which meant that one error became two since everyone used to typing on a computer has an unstoppable instant backspace reflex. Also, other automatic reflex actions became errors as well - like hitting space twice after
      ending a sentence with a period - since the source text has only one space between sentences, that extra space was a "mistake". Also, sometimes it wrapped the cursor to the start of the next line as soon as you hit the end of a previous line. Other times it did not. Thus you had to watch where the cursor went or end up with an "error" from hitting return when you weren't supposed to.

      Also, the tendency of the interface to not do what my reflexes expected it to do was a source of cognative dissonance that added more errors - like when backspace didn't visually do anything, I'd hit the key again several more times by reflex before my brain caught up and stopped me, and this results in losing precious seconds to stop and think.

      Typing is a reflex action - but these tests ruin this by turning it into a congative one by making the interface not work as you'd expect it to, so you have to always stop and not be "in the groove" where you type unthinkingly.

      My speed with the test was - 62 words per minute, with 17 errors (really only about 4 errors, but each error resulted in three or four others being counted since I keep on typing the rest of the word before I notice the cursor isn't advancing and so the stupid test thinks I'm trying (and failling) to finally get that letter right when really I'm just typing the rest of the word.)

      I guess that a more real-world test would put my speed at about 65 WPM after errors are accounted for (probably about 80 WPM raw, with 15 WPM lossage from backspacing. I backspace a lot, which is why an input tool that makes backspacing fail to operate the way it naturally should gives me a low score. Not only does the backspacing itself penalize me (understandable), but the cognative dissonance that breaks my stride when the interface behaves in a crippled fashion wrecks my speed far more than that.).

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  12. How quaint! by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Funny
    The implication is that he hasn't used a keyboard in decades.

    Picture little Scotty, 10 years old at school, whining, "But Mrs. Crabapple, when are we going to use a keyboard?"

    "Quiet, Mr. Scott, and just do the assignment!"

    Turns out she was right. If Scotty had skipped class that day, the earth might not have been saved.

    Same goes for the day when Mrs. Crabapple taught the class how to use 300-year-old MacPaint as a chemical engineering program. You just never know when the little trivia you learn, may be useful.

    Kirk probably couldn't have done that, because when he was in school, he hacked the computer to let him run a real chemical engineering program, instead of MacPaint.

    "Stupid Mrs. Crabapple. I bet she never rotated the display of a Aluminum alloy structure in 3D, by using the airbrush tool. Well, I'll show her!"

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    1. Re:How quaint! by Mike+deVice · · Score: 5, Funny
      What's truely astonishing is that after pecking at the keyboard for 15 seconds, he managed to get a Mac Plus to display a 3D molecular model.

      How's that for typing skills? ;)

  13. wpm? by Psymunn · · Score: 5, Funny

    words per minute? you insensitive americans. i believe the SI measumerunt is l/s (letters per second).

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  14. Re:typing is absolutely necessary by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 5, Funny

    As bash.org says in one of the best quotes:
    Capitalization is the difference between "Helping your uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse".

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  15. You're all "haves". by Weasel+Boy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shawnmchorse and all you other typing speed demons, you're fast becasue you're already plugged into the computing world; you have to type fast to keep up. The article is more about kids who are being shut out of computing because they don't have the KB skills to get in the door yet.

    I touch-type in two different systems; my SO hunts and pecks at amazing speed. Both of us are the product of using computers for over 20 years (and, probably more importantly, MUDs and IM for over 10).

    Should young kids start being introduced to basic keyboard skills in school? Absolutely! We don't need to mass-produce 60-WPM touch-typists, but we owe it to the kids to teach the skills they need to effectively use computers.