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Kansas AG Rejects Settlement Discs
RWarrior(fobw) writes "Kansas's Attorney General has rejected 1600 CDs by 25 different artist as part of the music industry's anti-trust settlement. Is this a community values issue, a censorship issue, or just crap music being foisted off onto the public as part of a meaningless settlement?"
Indiana Attorney General Steve Carter removed 5,300 discs, or 5 percent of the 107,000 his state was scheduled to receive.
And those where just Britney Spears CDs too!
More on topic though, it seems almost like they send the states whatever they have sitting in a warehouse without any rhyme or reason. A lot of those CDs *shouldn't* be in libraries imho.
I wonder if the settlement was for Books-On-Cd as well, as that would of been a welcome addition to the blind and near-blind library patrons.
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Kansas isn't exactly known for its progressive thinking, which leads me to believe that it's mostly a censorship and "values" issue. However -- and the CNN article doesn't help to clarify this because it doesn't mention specific albums -- a pretty good argument could be made in the case of certain Outkast and Notorious B.I.G. albums that it's the RIAA foisting off more un-saleable crap on the public just to comply with the letter of the law.
Just like when they sent a library in Wisconsin 1000 copies of The Bodyguard soundtrack.
Asshats.
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What use would the state of Kansas have for 1600 CDs, many of which are duplicates? The only logical thing would be to put them in libraries and allow the citizens to borrow them so they can rip them onto their hard drives and share them as MP3s. When will the RIAA learn to be responsible and not only help out their customers but also themselves. I can buy DVDs and many computer or video game titles for less money than a new CD. Not that I would be particularly compelled to buy the latest CD anyways, there has been nothing but junk for the past few years when it comes to music.
The "settlement" as we have seen in other articles is crap. Most of the cd's are from groups that no one wants to listen to.
As a parent in Kansas, I think the AG is right to refuse some of the cd's. I watch what my kids listen to (my older kids listen to all kinds of rap)..but not my young daughters.
If the record companies are pissed...so be it. They lost...didn't they?
I'm glad they don't read the books as well, there are authors with sentiments far more violent and twisted than any 90's pop act.
I actually have a lot of respect for Kline whose department restricted the discs. (I live in Kansas)
I listen to a local radio station called 96.5 the buzz, and every friday they do a "current events" day, where people call in.
Well, people started to call in about the CD's incident and bashing it for censorship.
Then a really weird thing happened, the two Junior DJ's got a call from Phill Kline. They did an on the spot interview on why he was censoring them.
I guess what it came down to was that his general rule was
"If the CD has a track that is about violence against women, or the degredation of women, and promotes youth violence then the entire CD needs to be removed"
He said that he supported his staff, because it would look worse for him to allow CD's that had violence in them, than to allow them through.
Since his department was responsible for handling the donations, they were responsible for the content, unlike a situation where the Library system was responsible.
I think this is a good case of Covering his ass, espeically in an environment where everyone is hunting for some moral reason to remove someone, instead of taking factors such as freedom of speech into play etc.
The problem is, I am not as good as explaining his position as he was, and so this is probably going to recieve some replies that were answered well by him in the interview, but I am doing my best to explain where he was coming from.
He did what he felt was important, since this was an issue of a dispersment which he was responsible for.
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Is this a community values issue, a censorship issue, or just crap music being foisted off onto the public
YES!!
Censorship is censorship, no matter how you try to disguise it.
Quit throwing around heavy word when they're not needed. The Kansas AG did not say they were banning any of those CDs. He said they were making sure that the state government was not giving out materials that people might find objectionable. The Kansas Librarians' Association had no objections.
Now, if you can find a link to an article about the Kansas AG forcing a library to remove or not carry certain materials, then come back with the word censorship. Until then, quit screaming about nothing. Otherwise, no one will pay attention when you scream about something important.
The real issue here is with the settlemens in general, not the specific CD's.
The record companies settled for millions of dollars. They decided to pay this with CD's. In the deal, the CDs were presumably valued at market price.
Whoa! Hold on, the record companies do not pay anywhere near market value for any of the CDs. They pay for the production costs, which sure a hell ain't $16 a CD; more like $0.50.
So this really wasn't any sort of punishment for the recording industry. More like a lesson that they could do whatever the hell they want and "repay" their debt to society with worthless crap.
Well, most notably this is NOT censorship. It's a reasonable rejection by Kansas of crap foisted onto them in the form of a "settlement". The hubris of the music industry in their passing off inventory as fodder for art as value would be laughable were it not so egregious and offensive.
Here in the state of Washington, the CD's provided were highlighted in the local news with local librarians and school officials beside themselves trying to fathom what they were to do with these CD's.
Hat's off to Kansas for some chutzpah and balls to reject these CD's though the music industry skates on the whole deal anyway.
Most odd to me is the permission to the industry to choose what the form of payment in settlement would be. This is similar and as offensive as the wink and nod to Microsoft to "settle" many of their claims by "contributing" software to schools... at inflated MSRP valuations.
This was very similar to what libraries do all the time.
That doesn't make it right. Societies discriminated against blacks "all the time" too.
They did libraries a big favor by selecting these CDs because there's no way libraries could have said what they wanted.
If there's "no way" that libraries can say what they want, it's a flaw in the organization of the libraries of Kansas, not a license for someone else to dictate their content for them. It seems to me that, having continual contact with the public, libraries are more in touch with what the people really want. Therefore, they should be in charge of stocking themselves.
Just because the library approved of it, doesn't mean the library's users approve it as well. How would you like it if FOX news was the only game in town, footage from iraq was deemed unfit for tv, and FOX news agreed with it?
So much for 'evening things out'.
I don't remember about "violence against women" in lyrics from Lou Reed. Kline is beyond being ludicrous.
Why on earth is the music industry allowed to choose what CDs to send so they can dump whatever stock they would otherwise send to a landfill? This is not a settlement its crap. They should be settling with money or with a selection of _all_ their CDs or those at the courts will. Fuck those bitches totally. The AG was should have refused every single one and asked for more. Lets make a settlement were the defendant is allowed to empty all the fluff out of their pockets and see how that goes down.
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The fact that the RIAA is picking the cds instead of giving the recipients the choice of what to get is what's so stupid about this. They never should have been given that option.
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"quit screaming about nothing"
Spoken like a true censor! I think all material belongs in a library. Especially free material. I don't know what sort of Librarians' Association Kansas has but I think elsewhere in the world they would be tripping over themselves to get that much attractive media into a library for FREE.
She may come in for Outkast but sometimes they walk out with Aldous Huxley as well.
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He said they were making sure that the state government was not giving out materials that people might find objectionable. The Kansas Librarians' Association had no objections.
Oh, so if the people running the libraries are just as ass-backwards as the AG, this makes censorship OK?
Just because all the powers that be agree to censorship doesn't make it NOT censorship.
I bet the Kansas Librarians' Association wouldn't put up a fight if the AG decided Darwin's "Origin of Species" was "objectionable," either.
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And a state government has the right to ban objectionable material under the First Amendment where? Outkast and Rage Against the Machine make artistically valid statements which may be offensive to some, but they are not obscene and the state has no right to block distribution of these CDs.
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No... it is not about rap, given that many of the groups are in completely different genres. It's about someone dictating that bands like _Devo_ "promote(s) violence or illegal activity". Yes, everytime I slip that Devo disc in I feel like beating up a few little old ladies and robbing a bank. Of course, a big part of Devo was thinking for yourself. Oh wait... could that be the real connection?
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Wouldn't *all* of this been solved if libraries were simply given credit to buy CD, rather than dump this crap on them?!? If the record companies are not just dumping crap they can't sell on this than the whole thing would be settled by giving each institution credit for X CD's, and be done with it. Then all of these institutions could have, oh, I don't know, expanded their classical offerings, or even the history sections on jazz, or something usefull. It seems odd the the record industry wouldn't opt to give libraries CD's that aren't huge sellers (that people are less likely to buy) just to move that market a bit. As in we all know that the bodyguard didn't do to well, but I'm sure there are a ton of other not so hot CD's that you could dump and at least MAKE IT LOOK LIKE YOUR TRYING.
I guess my point is that we all knew that whoever was handling the case must have fscked up somewhere when we found out that they 'won'. If the companies weren't going to play fair, they could have at least tried a little harder to not make it so obvious.
To allow the record companies to dump their junk as a 'settlement' speaks volumes about how corrupt the system has become.
You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
I insist that my library contains content that is inappropriate for minors, because if it didn't - it would be completely useless for me.
"Sorry sir, we don't have 'Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time' because the under-10's wouldn't be able to understand it, how about 'Thomas the Tank Engine goes to a Black Hole' instead?"
There's a name for that.
It's called "everything the RIAA has rights to".
"Crap" need not ever be explicitly written in such stories. "RIAA" already implies that.
of a given CD - find the closing bid on a brand new CD of the same title on eBay + shipping cost, and ask RIAA to use that as the monetary value of the CD. I wont be surprised if they dump 1 million of these CDs instead of 1000 in that case.
The problem is that when a bunch of folks get together and start making noise about how evolution is the devil and creationism should be taught alongside it in a science class, they mean Creationism, as in the Judeo-Christian belief. There's no scientific evidence *at all* for such a belief.
There *is*, however, a small mountain of evidence that proves evolution happens and that evolution is a viable means of speciation. There's a lot of really good reading on this topic (with references!) at TalkOrigins.
And just in case I'm not being abundantly clear on this point, evolution is a fact. It happens. We've seen it.
The problem with teaching anything other than evolution in a *science* class is that anything else *isn't science.* No matter what, creationist theories cannot be proven because they rely on faith. Faith is not evidence, nor is it proof, and that's what's conveniently forgotten by most folks in favour of teaching Creationism.
If they want to teach about different creation stories in a social studies class, great. I'd be all in favour of that too. It's Constitutional, it's a good exposure to other cultures, and it just seems well-balanced. But that isn't what the right-wingers are asking for. They want Judeo-Christian Creationism taught as a science, and that's just ridiculous.
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Real science doesn't prove anything. We create the best theories that we can given the information that is available to us, but we never know when some new fact will be revealed that will require us to rething our ideas.
That said, anything that can't be disproven is not science. This is where creationism fails. Consider, astronomers have observed events out in space that have occured 12 billion years ago. Really though we don't need the HST to effectively disprove creation. Creationism says the universe is only ~7000 years old. Capella, the brightest star in Auriga (slightly NW of Gemini) is 7824 light years away. The Andromedia Galaxy at 2.2 million light years is the most distant object visible to the human eye.
If creationism was a science, these observations would invalidate it immediatly. To its adherants however creationism must be right, since the Bible says it. Therefore, instead of changing the theory when contrary observations are made, they create ad hoc explanations of why the observations are incorrect.
People can believe what they want, but not all theory's are equal. Creationism is not science and so I maintain it has no place in the science class room.
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What's worse is if you are one of those libraries that had the music industries abandoned warehouses dumped on you. These CDs flat out blow; we have six copies of Whitney Houston's Star Spangled Banner single. We haven't recieved the shipment from one of our 3 branches yet either, so I suspect we'll have 6 or 8 before it's all over. Every library we've talked to has recieved several copies of several CDs. Even if they were good, most libraries don't carry multiple copies of CDs.
Most of the CDs are crap that they couldn't sell 5 years ago, and shitty singles. When have you ever seen a library carry a single?
Oh yeah, and we can't give them away, donate them to our friends of the library group (because they would sell them for $.50-$1 apiece, and that could concievably benefit us, except for the ones they end up throwing in the dumpster...) or anything else.
Let me put it another way: If I could get out of a speeding ticket by emptying out one of my junk closets, why exactly would I feel like I need to slow down in the future?
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