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Jerry Falwell Wins Dispute Over Fallwell.com

setzman writes "According to this article from CNN, conservative minister Jerry Falwell has succeeded in shutting down a web site run by a gay activist on the domain fallwell.com. The judge said it was 'nearly identical' to the registered trademark 'Jerry Falwell' name and was likely to be confusing to Web surfers." (This was a Federal case, held in the 4th Circuit Court.)

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  1. A good ruling by mpost4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is clear intent to use some one else's name to generate traffic and money for your site, which I believe is a clear violation of (the correct reading) copyright laws. I would say (and I know many on Slashdot will hate me for this) this is the correct ruling. It is like if I try to get slashdo.org, and put up a anti Slashdot site, I would be in violation of copyright laws, and the owners of Slashdot would be fully in their rights to sue me to take said site down. Not that I am a Falwell follower, he being a TV preacher, probably one of those decision theologies, and/or send me money to be saved, which I would say both are wrong.

    1. Re:A good ruling by malelder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I understand your point, but my first thought was that this wasn't a good thing. The name was spelled differently, and for me thats enough. I guess I had hoped that on a medium like the web, it was perfectly OK to go ahead and put up a slashdo.org and make it anti-slashdot...so much for the last bastion of (very) free-communication. The article mention an appeal is in motion by the original owner; I'm curious to see how this gets interpreted further up the chain.

      I guess I'm stupid to think that people who use the web should learn how to spell...after all, I've been reading a lot of /. posts over the years (;

      The more general "we" get in deciding that a domain name is "nearly identical" to another, the less options we have in naming. I'm still bitter though, because the Motor Vehicle Division wouldn't let me put my last name on a license plate...I guess "Christ" is too similar to some other famous person :/

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    2. Re:A good ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Falwell is a well known, and crazy, political figure. The judge just took one step towards "the citizenry is not allowed to criticize the government." I'm sorry for Falwells scam the old folks business, I'm sure it suffers horribly from what it plain and mostly accurate rhetoric, with a link to his actual site. But he lost control over his name and identity one he threw his hat into the political arena. (See what happens when he takes on people with the money to afford free speech like Larry Flint.) But with all due respect to the judge, he just make the populace locking and loading as a precaution against the government just a tiny bit more reasonable.

    3. Re:A good ruling by enrico_suave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      eh *shrug*

      Just because you have some claim in meatspace on some "name", it shouldn't (IMHO) necessarily carry over to the "virtual space" of domain names.

      Although it's a different ball of wax see the recently posted (and resolved!) katie.com fiasco... or any of the suchandsuchSUCKS.com cases.

      I'd be curious to exactly what was "Jerry Fallwell" was trademarked for/as in context...

      Would using Jerry's name to criticize him fall under fair use/free speech?

      Who says (besides wipo/icann bozo's) that you have an entitlement to an easily remembered domain name... with his name in it? First come first serve =)

      why can't he have a hyphen... or a .biz =P for that matter, why can't I?

      E.

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    4. Re:A good ruling by sploo22 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Given that we're told our rights to speech CANNOT be infringed...

      May I quote the First Amendment?

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


      This decision was made by a federal court, not through legislation. The court has the right to, and indeed often does, abridge freedom of speech; this allows for things like gag orders.
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    5. Re:A good ruling by Tassach · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Are you saying that people who belive there are absolutes and that there is a differnce between right and wrong, lack critical thinking skills?
      No, I'm saying that anyone who accepts the crap that Falwell spews lacks critical thinking skills.

      Anyone who can't recognize that the Christian Bible has numerous internal contridictions, even on basic theological issues, lacks critical thinking skills.

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    6. Re:A good ruling by Tassach · · Score: 2, Interesting
      [P]eople like Aquinas, Calvin, Luther, Thomas Moore, Isaac Newton (who wrote a great deal of biblical analysis), never ever saw them or tried to work through them
      . Appeal to authority. An expert in one field (physics) is not necessarily an expert in another field (theology), and just because a person IS an acknowledged expert in a field does not make them automatically correct.

      It's a pretty sad reflection on our species that even the smartest human being who ever lived (Newton) could not see past his superstitions. We all have our blind spots; what is important is to recognize that we are fallible and constantly reassess our understanding of the universe based on observational evidence and the rational interpretation thereof.

      The most intellectually honest thing any person can say is "I might be wrong". I've yet to meet a fundamentalist who's willing to make that declaration about their interpretation of the Bible.

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    7. Re:A good ruling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm not an American, so I'm not really qualified to tak about the US constitution or the US interpretation of "free speech". However, one thing seems clear to me. If you decide to open a wallpaper shop, and call it "Wall-Mart", you're intentionally using Wal-Mart's name to attract people. It seems that that shouldn't be allowed.

      Similarly, registering URLs which are common misspellings of other people's URLs, with intention to attract visitors intending to find the original site (fallwell.com, slashdto.org or whatever) is clearly also evil, and shouldn't be allowed.

      Now, you should be quite entitled to register, say, jerryfalwellisabigot.com, to use as an ati-Jerry Falwell site, and if your name was Fallwell, you'd have a good faith reason to register fallwell.com to use for your own opinions. The ex-owner of fallwell.com has done the equivalent of camping outside Angus shopping centre with a gig sign saying "Angnus shopping centre" pointing in the direction of the Barton shopping centre. It seems to me that we dn't need things like that.


      I'm still not sure why the burden is not on the consumer/customer/whoever to verify identity.


      Because it's stupid. Which of the following requires less overall effort:

      1. Every individual customer makes half-a-dozen phone calls to verify that the online supermarket that's offering to deliver their groceries is actually the same company as the big store down the road.

      2. People and companies are required to be honest and not lie or attempt to mislead, and get closed down if they do so.

  2. What about the other day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Is slashdot going to kick a scream as loud about this as with Katie.com? It brings up a interesting debate, does a girl on the internet have more pull than the gay community?

    And does now that Jerry Falwell has Fallwell, will he also own Tom & Jerry websites, all a's, e's, f's l's j's, r's and w's too? Him, I dont agree with some ways certain groups do things but censorship is censorship in it's ugliest form. Is slashdot going to kick a scream as loud about this as with Katie.com? It brings up a interesting debate, does a girl on the internet have more pull than the gay community? Hmm, I don't agree with some ways certain groups do things but censorship is censorship in its ugliest form.

  3. 'Nearly identical' by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The judge said it was 'nearly identical' to the registered trademark 'Jerry Falwell' name and was likely to be confusing to Web surfers." (This was a Federal case, held in the 4th Circuit Court; the judge held that the disputed fallwell.com was "'nearly identical' to the registered trademark 'Jerry Falwell.'" )

    and the 'helpful' 'little' snippet by the editor was 'nearly identical' to what the submitter already said in the original writeup.

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  4. It's reasonable... by mratitude · · Score: 5, Interesting

    However folks fall in the religion fueled debate on homosexuality issues (gay marriage, gay "normalcy", etc) this was a middle-of-the-road ruling from a court that appears that didn't side with either of the agendas being pushed.

    Like cyber-squat efforts (registering domains like "pepsi.com" when you're not affiliated with Pepsi at all) overall, this was a targeted effort by someone with an agenda. The intent was to squat their agenda on any internet traffic by "hugging" search criteria and even simple mispellings in a url. Their agenda to do this was clearly spelled out.

    I expect the people running Drudge Retort to be nervous over a ruling like this.

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  5. Re:A good ruling??!!??! NOT! by trout_fish · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The right to free speech does not give you the right to speak when and where you want. No one is saying that the gay activists can't run a website, just that they can't run it on a domain chosen solely to be similar to a trademark.

  6. Trademark your religion by michaelmalak · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The most egregious case of cybersquatting is, of course, whitehouse.com (anchor tag intentionally omitted). But the U.S. government cannot trademark whitehouse.gov.

    Going on down the spectrum, there is bush2004.com, which satires Bush. Could Bush trademark his own name so as to shut this site down? At this particular moment of eroding free speech, probably not yet. Criticism of the president holds a special place when it comes to the First Amendment.

    Now we step down spectrum another notch to fallwell.com. Jerry Falwell is a prominent religious and political figure -- perhaps not #1 like Bush, but certainly in the top thousand. He is able to squelch criticsm because he trademarked his name.

    Falwell has intentionally blurred politics, religion, and business. Trademark was meant to protect consumers from sham products, not restrict discussion of politics and religion.

    Here we have trademark law in conflict with the First Amendment regarding politics and religion. Trademark law was already being applied to block criticism of a business. Now it's being extended into politics and religion, the heart of the First Amendment.

    Going further on down the spectrum, Robin Ficker, a political candidate of much less stature than Falwell, was unable to shut down robinficker.com. Why? Because he didn't trademark his name.

    In the realm of criticizing Falwell, today it's domain names. Will it be blog content tomorrow, like the Ford case?

  7. Re:fair enough by reallocate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The judge's decision need to be legally correct, not morally correct.

    There's only one legal code, but many moral codes to choose from.

    That's why Timothy and the /. gang get their knickers twisted everytime someone wins a suit against some jerk who deliberately violated a trademark. They -- Timothy, et al -- believe trademarks and copyrights are immoral, so they look at issues based on their dreams and wishes, not on reality.

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  8. Nissan? by Qrlx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looks like the Federal circuit is fractured on this issue.

    Uzi Nissan, as we all know, didn't exactly lose nissan.com, but it's been converted to a placeholder site bereft of content.

    Perhaps it's because his site served a purpose other than bashing Nissan Motors, the courts let him keep it.

    Still, it's a mixed signal. Why didn't the court just give nissan.com to Nissan Motors? I get the feeling that's what the 4th Circuit would have done.

    Conclusion: If you have the domain name that "belongs" to someone bigger than you, you can't step on their toes. You will either lose your domain outright, or lose the right to do anything useful with it.

    I wonder what Justice thinks of all this, peering out from behind Ashcroft's curtain.

  9. Re:A bad ruling. Text of the contentious site: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The idea that gay people can change their sexual orientation is a completely disproven lie. All mainstream mental health organizations condemn the idea. Check it out for yourself...

    Posting AC for obvious reasons...

    I am ex-gay. At one time, I was completely homosexual, and was not attracted to women whatsoever. Now (four years later), I am completely heterosexual, and happily married. It has been a hard road, and change didn't come instantly, but I stuck with it because I became convicted in my belief that what I was doing was wrong.

    In retrospect, I feel that I decieved myself into believing that I was unchangable because I believed that I was happy in my sin. In reality, I was completely dead inside, and my behaviour was driving me into deeper depression because it was absolutely impossible for me to find a meaningful relationship with another man. Reason? As I realize now, two men are just not compatible together in a romantic relationship (and I'm not even talking about the physical part). Now, four years later, I am completely crazy about my wife, and I can't even imagine ever being without her. Yes, I love the sex too (although I'll probably have to turn in my geek card for admitting I've been with a woman). I'm not saying that it's curable for everyone, or anything like that. All I know is what I was, and what I am now. Take it however you want. Mod me troll if you want, but this post is not intended as such, and is the truth of my experience.

  10. Lamparello had it coming by wackysootroom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Christopher Lamparello, the guy on the other end of the Falwell suit, had it coming. Bad Karma so to speak.

    He's a scammer of the first class. He ripped off a family member of mine with his book (should be called a pamphlet) "$1,000 a week for life", where basically he tells you to start a business. He doesn't tell you how, but he pontificates on very many other subjects besides money. $25 for a product that an 8th grader could have come up with.

    He's a known Spammer too. Here's the whois for mailordergold.com Domain Name: MAILORDERGOLD.COM

    Administrative Contact:
    Christopher Lamparello (HISVIQDHMO) chrislamparello@aol.com
    875 Avenue of the Americas Suite 1700
    New York, NY 10001
    US
    212.736.1238 fax: 212.736.1181

    Technical Contact:
    Domain Reg CWS (ILJVDIGYVO) hostmaster@cws.net
    829 3rd Ave SE
    Suite 225
    Rochester, MN 55904
    US
    507-289-2229 fax: 507-289-0349

    He also has 18 unresolved complaints against him per the Better Business Bureau of New York.

  11. Re:Google cache of home page by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    what kind of bullshit is that, anyway.
    "mine mine miiine..it sounds like my name, give it to me"


    If the site were about anything BUT Jerry Falwell, I'm sure the courts would have given the guy a pass. However, since the content of the site IS about Jerry Falwell, the domain name is obviously an attempt to hijack hapless users who misspell his name, the ruling is correct.

    People have lost domain names for a lot less than this. A guy named Don Henley had to surrender donhenley.com, even though the page was about himself. A Catholic hospital had to surrender madonna.com.