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Jerry Falwell Wins Dispute Over Fallwell.com
setzman writes "According to this article from CNN, conservative minister Jerry Falwell has succeeded in shutting down a web site run by a gay activist on the domain fallwell.com. The judge said it was 'nearly identical' to the registered trademark 'Jerry Falwell' name and was likely to be confusing to Web surfers." (This was a Federal case, held in the 4th Circuit Court.)
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I can't believe this even became a story on Slashdot, it isn't that big of a deal and will probably turn into a huge flame war with comments.
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www.fallwell.com
Sometimes it is quite unlear if the domain name is the same because of conisidence, but in this case, Lamparello's site criticizes Falwell's stance against homosexuality and includes a disclaimer that reads, "This Web site is not affiliated with Jerry Falwell Ministries.", the site using the "same name" even admits they did choose the name because of the resembelence. This is something very different from the kathy.com story where Pengiun is trying to steal another persons domain for no reason.
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>>his is clear intent to use some one else's name to generate traffic and money for your site, which I believe is a clear violation of (the correct reading) copyright laws.
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No it's not... the ruling seemed to center around a registered trademark.
copyright!=trademark
Me, I think it's crap... trademarks aren't all encompassing (or shouldn't be)... now if the owner of the site was in the same industry, maybe it would make more sense...
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and the 'helpful' 'little' snippet by the editor was 'nearly identical' to what the submitter already said in the original writeup.
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setzman writes "According to this article from CNN, conservative minister Jerry Falwell has succeeded in shutting down a web site run by a gay activist on the domain fallwell.com. The judge said it was "nearly identical" to the registered trademark "Jerry Falwell" name and was likely to be confusing to Web surfers. Considering Falwell's audience, the judge was probably right.
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You sorta destroy your credibility to comment on such matters when you can't even differentiate between copyrights and trademarks.
BTW- Slashdot has reported on Jerry's crusade to trademark his name in the past. He even sent people overseas to lobby WIPO.
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I understand your point, but my first thought was that this wasn't a good thing. The name was spelled differently, and for me thats enough. I guess I had hoped that on a medium like the web, it was perfectly OK to go ahead and put up a slashdo.org and make it anti-slashdot...so much for the last bastion of (very) free-communication. The article mention an appeal is in motion by the original owner; I'm curious to see how this gets interpreted further up the chain.
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I guess I'm stupid to think that people who use the web should learn how to spell...after all, I've been reading a lot of
The more general "we" get in deciding that a domain name is "nearly identical" to another, the less options we have in naming. I'm still bitter though, because the Motor Vehicle Division wouldn't let me put my last name on a license plate...I guess "Christ" is too similar to some other famous person
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I agree that using another entity's name to divert traffic for your own means is a violation, what about the use of derivations that show a defined antagonistic slant? For example, what if someone hosts www.fallwellsucks.com?
I've heard of companies going after people that host www.<entity>sucks.com sites, but I think that they most definitely be allowed since the name is clear in its differentiation from, and bias against, the entity.
Here's an image that triggered an earlier Falwell lawsuit against Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine:
f licts/print/falwell.html
http://www.hfac.uh.edu/comm/media_libel/cases-con
Ironically enough, Falwell lost that one.
In a related incident, The Alliance for Feline-Americans was dismayed at the loss of the FallWell.com domain, with their spokesman Richard Manx stating, "In this day and age it is imperative that young FAs [kittens] across this world learn how to land on their feet, literally. With this news he lose our hopes for establishing a website to teach youngsters how to learn this skill." AFA has been unable to secure LandWell.com, AFA.com, AFA.org, CatLand.com, 9lives.info or any other number of domains. When advised by Dr. E. Thomas Lanzburg of the Feline Health Center at Cornell that the ability to land on four feet seems to be in fact, genetic, the eminent biologist was clawed in the face by three onlookers.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
Considering that about 50% of all posts are already flamebait not worth responding to, I have to go with a couple of the more intelligent posts in saying that intential use of common spelling errors to increase traffice to a website should be ruled against. Had this group had a real claim to the Fallwell name I'd see most people's disagreement with the ruling. But sadly it comes down the the bottom line that most who are against this ruling only due to a religious/political view instead of a fair assessment of the case.
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You sure that's true? I thought porn' was protected as free speech in the US. (Bizarre really as I have to wonder how those women can say anything: they always seem to have their mouths full.)
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
One of the legal standards of trademark infringement is "likelihood of confusion." Clearly this site intended to capitalize on this very thing, and so violate Falwell's intellectual property. However, parody is acceptable under the copyright law, but one's parody still cannot violate trademarks and other IP. But trademark coverage only extends to certain categories, e.g. a trademark registration for a web site covers web site infringement. One does not automatically have a registration in all categories. I laughed years ago when Paramount unsuccessfully sued a music group called "The Romulans," who had a Roman-style motif. At the time, Paramount only had a TM for "Romulans" that protected a 70s-era Star Trek action figure. The judge in the case said there was no likelihood of confusion between a music group and a little toy. So you /. regulars are all anti-IP, what do you think?
However folks fall in the religion fueled debate on homosexuality issues (gay marriage, gay "normalcy", etc) this was a middle-of-the-road ruling from a court that appears that didn't side with either of the agendas being pushed.
Like cyber-squat efforts (registering domains like "pepsi.com" when you're not affiliated with Pepsi at all) overall, this was a targeted effort by someone with an agenda. The intent was to squat their agenda on any internet traffic by "hugging" search criteria and even simple mispellings in a url. Their agenda to do this was clearly spelled out.
I expect the people running Drudge Retort to be nervous over a ruling like this.
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Jerry Falwell is a religious zealot thinly disguised as an ultra-conservative Christian.
This proves my point to a T. Falwell's religious and political practices have NOTHING to do with the lawsuit. What difference does it make what Falwell subscribes to religiously and politically? From the way this sounds it's as if certain members would have Falwell squelched in the name of free speech.
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Will www.godhatesfigs.com be shut down beacuse it is too similar to another site
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THIS POSTING IS IN NO WAY ASSOCIATED WITH SLASHDOT NOR BOISCOUT'S POSTING, NOR IS IT AN ATTACK ON Mr BOISCOUT NOR DOES IT SEEK COMMERCIAL GAIN THROUGH ANY SUCH ASSOCIATION.
Bad analogies are like waxing a monkey with a rainbow.
He's selling his brand of Jesus. Been in business for a long time.
Now if somebody capitalizes on his name to lure people on a site that hurts his business, that's unfair competition.
JerrySucks.Com would be fine with me, as would JerryIsALoser.com. But not what the guy used. It's clearly outside the bounds.
A more interesting question would be: what if there were another person named Jerry Fallwell who, for instance, believed that Jesus came from a UFO? Could HE register the site? Wasn't there some guy, Mike Rowe, who registered MikeRoweSoft.com last year? Does the first public person with a name get it for all time?
Going on down the spectrum, there is bush2004.com, which satires Bush. Could Bush trademark his own name so as to shut this site down? At this particular moment of eroding free speech, probably not yet. Criticism of the president holds a special place when it comes to the First Amendment.
Now we step down spectrum another notch to fallwell.com. Jerry Falwell is a prominent religious and political figure -- perhaps not #1 like Bush, but certainly in the top thousand. He is able to squelch criticsm because he trademarked his name.
Falwell has intentionally blurred politics, religion, and business. Trademark was meant to protect consumers from sham products, not restrict discussion of politics and religion.
Here we have trademark law in conflict with the First Amendment regarding politics and religion. Trademark law was already being applied to block criticism of a business. Now it's being extended into politics and religion, the heart of the First Amendment.
Going further on down the spectrum, Robin Ficker, a political candidate of much less stature than Falwell, was unable to shut down robinficker.com. Why? Because he didn't trademark his name.
In the realm of criticizing Falwell, today it's domain names. Will it be blog content tomorrow, like the Ford case?
Okay, maybe I'm just nuts ... but why shouldn't someone have the intent to tarnish or disparage?
I'm not entirely sure whose "side" of this I fall on, but let me declare my prejudices: I am a fundamentalist Christian, so that might make you think I'm biased toward Mr. Falwell. But I don't believe Falwell is a Christian nor a preacher of the Christian Gospel, so that might make you think I'm biased against.
It seems to me this decision is legally correct. I thought at first the website owner was actually named Fallwell (note spelling) but apparently that is not the case. According to law as it stands, the site was registered in bad faith and should apparently be taken away. Since I believe in the rule of law, I would tend to agree that this should be done even if I disagree with the law in question (and that if there's a problem with the law it should be changed).
So, is there a problem with the law? I kind of feel like there is. In fact, I kind of feel like the First Amendment would make whatever law is involved here unconstitutional. Given that we're told our rights to speech CANNOT be infringed, where do we really get off saying that people can't say bad things about other people? Sure, the site tarnishes and disparages Mr. Falwell ... so what's the big deal? People tarnish and disparage me all the time. And I dare say Mr. Falwell does his own tarnishing and disparaging of some folks. Why is some of this protected speech and some of it illegal?
I was under the impression that trademark law was about preventing someone from misrepresenting themselves or their business as you or your business. That there had to be some reasonable chance that those encountering the trademark violation could confuse it for the real thing. Now, let's be honest ... is someone looking for Mr. Falwell online going to be confused by this site into thinking Mr. Falwell is suddenly posting gay activist material?
And if someone really was that confused ... aren't they really beyond help no matter how many laws we pass or legal actions we take?
In this case I don't see how you could possibly confuse these two. And even in cases where confusion could possibly result ... I'm still not sure why the burden is not on the consumer/customer/whoever to verify identity. We live in a world where it doesn't take long to confirm or disprove facts. Nowadays when you hear an urban legend, you can google around and usually find out the truth, even amongst websites that continue to propagate the legend. Here's an example exercise: is "Duck tape" a proper spelling of "Duct tape"? The answer may surprise you, and even though the common misknowledge about the origin of this term is all over the internet, the truth exists and comes up high on a search. Seems to me that in the same way if some entity misrepresents itself as another entity, it won't take long for someone on the web to state that fact and for that fact to start becoming evident on a search. (And in the meantime we have fraud law to deal with the problem if anyone is taken in.)
Why exactly is our legal system worried about tarnishing, disparaging, or people with so little mental prowess they would confuse Jerry Falwell with a gay activist?
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If the guy's site was www.mysite.com and had the same content, Falwell would have no recourse. This ruling isn't about the pure content, but rather the site's use of the domain to trick people into going to it.
Free speech isn't the issue here. Deception is.
The judge's decision need to be legally correct, not morally correct.
/. gang get their knickers twisted everytime someone wins a suit against some jerk who deliberately violated a trademark. They -- Timothy, et al -- believe trademarks and copyrights are immoral, so they look at issues based on their dreams and wishes, not on reality.
There's only one legal code, but many moral codes to choose from.
That's why Timothy and the
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Even if you didn't like her or her movies, it could be argued that this site was designed to take traffic away from another site, given the nature of the star.
Hrm... I recall the http://www.katie.com/ fiasco, and in that case, I think the right result was finally achieved. The publisher blinked.
This case though seems different.
You have an individual who disagrees with with Jerry Fallwell concerning homosexuality and gay rights. That's all good. If this were merely a parody or disenting view website I'd think that it should fall under free-speech guidelines. But the guy had links to Amazon for a book he published. The arguement then becomes that this was not an issue of free speech, but rather commericially motivated.
Is this the correct reasoning, I don't know. But based on what I read in the article, I don't think the judge erred in his decision. The arguements presented to the judge seemed to be that the use of falwell.com was a deliberate attempt to use the etablished name of Fallwell in an attempt to drive traffic to his site for the intent of selling more books. Asked to base a decision on that regard, and asked to consider this under trademark law, I don't think the judge really could have decided otherwise.
Was this an attempt by Jerry Fallwell and his ministry to silence criticism of his preachings? I'd say most certainly, and ethically, that sort of attack against falwell.com was wrong. Far better would have been to ask the owner of falwell.com to have a link saying something like `if you meant to go to blah blah blah`. But then again, from what I have seen of Jerry Fallwell, reasonable might have been too much to hope for.
I should have been more precise in stating my views originally.
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And I should have remembered to add break-tags in my original message... darn lack of coffee!
1. The Scientologists open up a storefront to sell their books and recruit followers.
Can the Scientologists shut you down?2. You lease the storefront right next door and paint your storefront and doorway to match theirs.
3. You call your storefront "Science, Really".
4. You distribute free pamphlets and sell your book which is critical of Scientology.
Yes, you've tried to lure people into your storefront by making it appear to be another entrance to theirs. Is that illegal?
If you answer "Yes," then substitute this for step 3.3. You put no sign on your storefront.
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The argument is basically: This guy is using my name to promote his agenda, which is to attack my agenda. Please make him stop.
The ruling is not limiting the free speech of the website owner. They did not say he wasn't allowed to say what he wanted to. However, it is preventing that website owner from using confusion about the spelling of Falwell's own name as a conduit to criticize Falwell.
If the domain had been 'falwellthefucktard.com', there would have been no problem. There would have been no confusing that the site you're visiting is not Jerry's site.
It CAN be brought up as a trade issue, as Falwell apparently uses his website for the sale of his book(s).
It's a Federal court, by the way, which is an important distinction. The court's ruling is simply that you cannot use confusion as a means to further your own agenda.
Just cuz Falwell's a prick doesn't mean that we're allowed to abuse his name to endanger his livelihood. He can be removed from the popular eye with education and tolerance, without resorting to trickery.
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Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Care to point to where in the bible America is mentioned at all?
... the result is not good.
I had a student ask me, "Could the savior you believe in save Osama bin Laden?" Of course, we know the blood of Jesus Christ can save him, and then he must be executed. (this one I like)
God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev. Pat Robertson agreed, quoted from John F. Harris, "God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)
The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev. Pat Robertson again agreed, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F. Harris, "God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)
I sincerely believe that the collective efforts of many secularists during the past generation, resulting in the expulsion from our schools and from the public square, has left us vulnerable.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, after the 700 Club broadcast wherein he had blamed civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, speaking to The New York Times, quoted from Dick Meyer, "Holy Smoke," CBS News (September 15, 2001)
I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist, [but America's] secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, backpedaling amidst criticism of his statement blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F. Harris, "God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)
Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time -- calling upon God.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell, justifying the breech of Constitutional Separation of Religion from Government while blaming civil libertarians for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev. Pat Robertson again agreed, quoted from AANEWS #958 by American Atheists (September 14, 2001)
I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!
May I quote the First Amendment?
This decision was made by a federal court, not through legislation. The court has the right to, and indeed often does, abridge freedom of speech; this allows for things like gag orders.
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I have to agree. And in other contexts, slashdotters would probably be agreeing as well (if it weren't Jerry Falwell). Slashdot seems rabidly opposed to businesses registering gogle.com and yaho.com and so on, but this man was doing something quite similar (and a bit more blatant) in registering falwell.com to promote his own anti-Falwell work. How does that differ from grabbing gooogle.com to derrive traffic from internet typos?
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I'm not defending Jerry Falwell (I don't even know who he is really), but I needed to speak up in compassion for those of you who are lost.
Being loud and obnoxious about your chosen Religious Service Provider does not mean that you are "speaking in compassion for [those who are] lost".
For a start, those people don't consider themselves lost. And some of us consider you to be the one who is completely lost - that is, you've lost the ability to reason, and you're running on the huffed fumes of faith alone.
Always dangerous for a human to do that - it makes you so easily manipulated. And that's what religion was invented for - to allow societies to be built around them, because it allowed the upper echelons to manipulate the sheeple. Such as yourself, oh great beacon of light in the darkness.
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Trademarks are intended to prevent consumer confusion, correct?
This ownder of this site doesn't purport himself to be Jerry Falwell, he's just critical of Falwell. You can see for yourself. If anyone gets confused on that site and thinks that Jerry Falwell has repented his anti-gay ways then they deserve to be confused, for they are stupid.
Says who? It's no different than when MCI had a "1-800-OPERATER" number to play off misspellings of AT&T's "1-800-OPERATOR". So long as the service at the end of the number/URL correctly indentifies itself and isn't doing anything fraudulant, no harm and no foul. "This isn't the site you're looking for, but how about this instead?" is no worse than a 404.
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Anyone who can't recognize that the Christian Bible has numerous internal contridictions, even on basic theological issues, lacks critical thinking skills.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Try this...
ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
So it's protected free speech if you publish it out of pocket but loses its protection if you find a way to finance it? That upholds the notion that freedom of the press is only for those who own one. In a society so dominated by capital, if you are unable to raise money for your opinion then you're effectively censured.
Commercial speech is less protected (as it should be) than non-commercial speech. If Fallwell.com was merely an attempt to capitalize on spelling errors, then this is not different than for me to register Mircosoft as a platform for me to promote non-Microsoft software.
Now, if I put Mircosoft.com as a place for a parody like mslinux.org, that would probably be protected. Fallwell.com could have been a mere parody and that would have been acceptable, but it wasn't.
Nothing in the ruling effectively silences the guy. They just prevent him from profiting by diverting traffic in a deliberate attempt to divert value from a registered trademark. This is probably fair.
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would not have directly generated any book sales. If the person actually intended to visit Jerry Falwell's site, but visited a gay activist site by mistake, I seriously doubt he/she would probably not be likely to purchase the books advertised in the parody site.
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It's different because Google is the first corporation to stand for Truth And All That Is Good whilst Satan Falwell just needs to burn in hell for his crimes against humanity.
A bouncy, purple, teletubby hell.
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