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Linux vs. Windows

An anonymous reader writes "Technology Review has a great article discussing how pretty, user-friendly Linux desktops, cheap machines sold at stores such as Wal-Mart, and the growth of useful free software like Open Office have made Linux a 'key business risk' for our friends in Redmond. The story notes that Linux's market share for desktop computers has already surpassed Apple's. Says the Open Source Initiative's Eric Raymond, 'The sinister plan for world domination is right on schedule.' All right!"

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  1. The headline by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Linux vs. Windows"? Now the editors are just getting lazy. That could be the title for ~50% of the articles ever posted on Slashdot. Geez.

  2. It would be interesting to know if... by Osrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... the projected 6% desktop share is Linux helping new users reach out to computing, or if it is biting into Microsoft's market share. It will obviously be a little of both, but I wonder what the breakdown is.

  3. thats just the start of it. by torpor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that humble little vmlinuz can run on tons of things. sure, desktops got everyones eyeballs and twitchy middle finger all wrapped up, but linux computers don't need an interface. at all. in order to do Real Work.

    no, i'm not just talking about beouwulfs and the like, i mean things like vending machines, HVAC control, ticketing systems, etc...

    (embedded linux is where microsoft is going to have fight our lead...)

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  4. The tagline says it all by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Preaching to the choir"

    This article is basically just - pardon the expression - a circle jerk. Or, at best, inviting flamebait. What is there to discuss - that Linux is improving in the marketplace? Or that it's becoming more of a threat to Microsoft?

    Mod the article -1, Redundant.

    1. Re:The tagline says it all by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, come on. If they didn't post these articles every day or two, nobody would ever get their karma up to "Excellent."

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    2. Re:The tagline says it all by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not really, most of the "choir" here are repeating the same FUD over and over, or are basing opinions of linux on their experience with redhat 3.1 or Slackware 2.5 back in the early 90's.

      Mandrake 10.0 surpasses windows XP massively on the ease of install. I just did a demonstration of this to a group of techs here we are training to roll out our linux support at the help desk.

      I showed them a bare install of Mandrake 10.0 and then did a bare install of XP on identical hardware.

      Mandrake was ready to use and on the net at first reboot. XP I needed to go and download ATI radeon drivers, sound drivers for the on-board sound chipset, Drivers for the ethernet chipset, and Drivers for the IDE chipset before it was useable.

      It completely floored every tech there, (These are tier 3 techs) By the end of the class we were asked by over 60% of the attendees if they could get a copy of Mandrake.

      Linux is making insane inroads, is getting easier and better every single day. Windows has had no changes to it for over 2 years now.

      It's more of a "wake up and look" kind of article. linux is starting to overtake faster, but very quietly... and because of that a large number of people, even people that are "in the know" are getting caught off-guard.

      hell the local College IT classes we held a broadband talk for, the Professor told his class, "ignore the linux part of the talk, as linux is not in seroius use anywhere."

      needless to say, I changed our speech to start with, "linux is used in many fortune 500 corperations today, some completely rely on it like Chrysler, AutoZone and IBM......." It really pissed off the un-informed professor.

      but this is what is reality today, the "professionals" do not know what is happening... therefore this "circle jerk" as you put it is very important.

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  5. True inroads to the desktop market.... by MarkEst1973 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Once someone learns to use a computer with {Win/Mac/Linux OS}, they will likely never change.

    Selling ridiculously cheap machines that automagically do everything (connect to the internet, read pics from your digital camera, etc.) will capture a large share of newbies that do not yet own a computer. If these people never change their OS too, then we will see an increase in Linux desktops.

    Easy is the key. Price is secondary but extremely important.

    MS has no where to go but down. That's one of the disadvantages of having a monoply.

  6. Re:Of course it'll srupass apple by danamania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think we'll have a big slaughter of Windows market share as they continue to not-get-Linux, and then things will REALLY get interesting. I don't believe for a second that MS is going to go down, down, down and just drop off the face of the planet.

    A few years after longhorn is released, when the market is closer to 50/50 for linux/windows machines, and MS will be forced to actually do things better just to survive.

    There's a lot in the way of human resources at microsoft, and that could create some dang good stuff - given the need to, when there's a giant penguin huffing down your neck.

  7. Re:Join the Revolution by darien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm afraid Wal*Mart doesn't give a fuck about the revolution - it's pursuing its own agenda, and it doesn't much care if MS prospers or dies except insofar as that might affect its own bottom line.

    But there is, I have to admit, something of the invisible hand about it.

  8. Re:Linux vs. Windows by Stevyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I saw the headline and I slapped my forehead. I think we have a linux vs windows flamewar about 3 times a week here.

    Just equate linux vs windows with car transmissions. Linux is like a manual, it's $300 cheaper, slightly longer learning curve, gives you more control, but the people who get it are unique because they like to drive.

    Whatever you use your computer for, just be productive and the issue of operating system becomes irrelevant.

  9. Linux is ready. Yes it is. by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People keep saying that Linux isn't ready for the desktop, and they use examples of various ages of housebound women as examples of why.

    Well, since Red Hat 8, the first distro where I called and encouraged all of the people (including women) in my life to try Linux, the following people have installed and begun to use Linux instead of Windows, and they all did it without my handholding, in all but one case surprising me with a "guess what I just installed!" phone call:

    - My three sisters
    - My mother
    - My father
    - My best friend
    - His girlfriend
    - My cousin

    None of them are computer professionals. Most of them weren't even computer "geeks" at all and had just complained enough to me about Windows 95/98/ME/2000 (none of them had XP, it's true, AFAIK) that I thought they might like a change. The first time I had seen Red Hat 8, I pretty much decided it was time for Linux+desktop. A couple of them are still running Red Hat 8, but my mom and sisters have actually run the "upgrades" (i.e. downloading and burning the next version, then running the "upgrade" install on it).

    Red Hat 8-9 and Fedora Core 1-2 have very nice, clean, graphical, "click Next a lot" installers/updaters and autodetect pretty much every piece of hardware. Nearly all of the system services can be configured using their desktop tools in the GNOME menu, including things like print queues, wireless cards, modems, and other things that desktop users might want. These aren't IBM or Compaq PCs for the most part either, they're just white box PCs (there is one thinkpad in the group). One of my sisters even uses her Olympus digital camera with gphoto or some such application (I'm not even familiar with gphoto, I just mount a CF card in a card reader, but she found something in the menu that said "Digital Camera" or something like that and away she went...) to sell stuff on eBay.

    With the state of the Linux desktop right now, they can listen to and burn CDs without needing to read anything or even launch an application, they can browse the Web, use OpenOffice to write stuff (they all set up their own printers, with one exception). The couple that have installed software from RPMs haven't had any trouble, they just downloaded the software to their home directories and double-clicked on it.

    Linux isn't ready for the desktop? Maybe for some values of desktop. But for peope who just want:

    - Web/Email
    - Word Processing/Spreadsheet/Presentations
    - Printing
    - Music
    - Burning CDs
    - Solitaire

    it's there and it's been there for a long time already.

    Oh, there has been one question, and it is a place where Red Hat's GNOME desktop falls over: every one of these people did end up calling me at some point and asking how to access their floppy. I don't know why Red Hat ships a KDE desktop that has a floppy drive icon, but doesn't do the same with their GNOME desktop?!

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  10. Re:Join the Revolution by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That makes it even better! Wal*mart DOESN'T give a flying fuck about Linux or Open Source or Free (tm) Software! They're "supporting" Linux because it's better for them (ie cheaper).

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  11. Re:Irony by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I agree. Personally, I don't even mind paying for software, and I don't mind that much if I don't get the source code.

    My number 1 priority is open protocols.

    In business, I want to be able to get data from point a to point b. I don't want to have to buy something to do it, or rely on someone else to do it.

    I also want the option to read the data from anywhere, and replace someone's tool with someone else's tool when it suits me, or write my own to use said data.

    However, only two things will aid this - open source, or a well distributed market (like half a dozen word processor makers).

  12. Re:Irony by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    World domination by Microsoft is a terrifying thought. World domination by Linux and Open Source is just self-depreciating humor. A world where Linux dominates is a world where nobody dominates, because everyone who thinks there is a market for something different can just take everything that's been done so far and run with it.

    Marketshare is important, even to those who rightfully say that it's not an indicator of quality. It means that hardware manufacturers are more likely to write drivers, that applications are more likely to get Linux ports and interoperate with open file formats. It's all good.

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