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Microsoft Windows: A Lower Total Cost of 0wnership

bahamutirc writes "Dave Aitel of Immunity, Inc. has written an excellent report detailing the lower Total Cost of 0wnership Microsoft Windows has over Linux. Dave takes a unique approach in comparing the two operating systems, and the results are not surprising. The paper was submitted to Bugtraq today and is available in PDF and Open Office."

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  1. 0wned? Please... by garcia · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Finding a vulnerability is like finding a fish. If the pond is overfished, it's harder to find them. Hackers are rather evenly split between running Linux and running Mac OSX. As much as few professional NASCAR drivers drive Dodge Neons, a negligible amount of skilled hackers use Windows as their primary OS.

    Hmm, I don't see any source listed for this particular tidbit. I have a feeling that there are plenty of "skilled hackers" out there that do run Windows as their primary OS. Perhaps he means "skilled programmers" that refer to themselves as "skilled hackers".

    Notably, this protection does not prevent Linux from being 0wned when a third party program is installed.

    I try to read on in his document but I keep coming to "0wned" and I realize that I am not dealing with a professional. I suppose his intended audience (Bugtraq) might be familiar with how 31337 he is but I just can't believe he would bother to spend the time writing up a "paper" with those stupid misspellings.

  2. Go Bill G! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The penis: mightier than the sword!

  3. FIRST GNAA POST by JismTroll · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda stepped off the bus and was led into the yard of the Main
    State Correctional Institute. He had been given ten years for participating in
    a stock fraud. Five with good behavior. Years spent basking in the glow of a
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    never make it through ten years in the general population with his virginity
    intact. He had to get into solitary.

    As soon as the burly guard unshackled him he made his move. Exhaling a feminine
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    receiving a swift kick to the ribs before being restrained. As he was dragged
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    solitary," he thought "I'll be safe." Unfortunately for Rob he had picked the
    wrong guard to mess with.

    The next few days were uneventful. The time in his cell he spent evenly between
    sleeping, reading a "Perl for Dummies" book he had gotten from the book cart,
    and masturbating furiously. His self-flagellation was interrupted on the fourth
    day. The burly guard he had attacked earlier stepped into his cell. The gleam
    in the guards eye and the mean grin on his face made Rob's pecker quickly
    shrivel in his hand. "You fucked with the wrong man when you fucked with
    Michael Simms," said the guard. "The inmates here call me The Asshole for a
    reason. Now come with me, punk."

    The guard led him down the hall to one of several empty shower stalls. He
    roughly threw Rob in the stall and locked the door. Rob was petrified. His mind
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    for him. His worst fears were confirmed when the guard returned. In his hands
    were a short black dress, black stilleto heels, and a curly blonde wig. "Strip
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    that the dress fit well and the heels gave him a nice slimming effect. The
    burly guard admired the drag queen. "The GNAA is gonna love you!"

    The guard left the shower stall, only to return minutes later. He opened the
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    With that the guard slammed the shower door closed and walked away laughing.

    The men approached Rob, backing him into a corner. The apparent leader stepped
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    fuck it dry or you can lube it up for me." Rob knew he had no choice. He
    kneeled in front of the leader, who began to slap his face with his 10 black
    inches. Puss from syphilictic sores quickly covered Rob's cheeks. When the
    leader was sufficiently aroused he placed his throbbing cock up to Rob's lips.
    As soon as Rob opened his mouth the leader violently shoved his manhood to the
    back of Rob's throat and exclaimed "Swallow my shit you cracker bitch!" Rob
    gagged as he was violently face fucked.

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    shoved his cock into Rob's ass. Rob began to scream in agony but his cries were
    quickly muffled by one of the other gang member's cocks. They rode him like
    that for the better part of an hour. When one man finished another quickly took
    his place. Just as Rob was getting used to the throbbing pain in his anus the
    men stopped. One man lay down on the floor and Rob was told to get on top of
    him and take his dick inside him. Exhausted and humiliated, Rob had no will
    left to fight. As soon as he inserted the penis another man came up behind him
    and began to force his cock into Rob's already filled anus. Again his screams
    of agony were muffled, this time by a smelly black anus.

    For another hour he was violated in this way. When the men were finished with
    him he couldn't walk and his mouth was filled with dingleberries and ass hairs.
    Before they all left the leader had some parting words for Rob: "Thanks for
    that sweet piece of ass, punk. We'll see you again tomorrow. Oh by the way, we
    all have AIDS." It was going to be a long ten years for Rob.

  4. TCO's can be written to defend either case by winkydink · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    as one who has written more than I care to count, you can almost always make a case for the choice you want by inserting some things and leaving out others.

    --

    "I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey

  5. Re:0wned? Please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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  6. ownership? by gmuslera · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    With Windows you NEVER are the owner. Or the owner is Microsoft (and you have a temporary permission to use it under certain circunstances, they call it license) or by itself gives the ownership to the next hacker/worm/trojan/etc that just tries to knock the door. That put the cost of ownership in 0 or high enough to need the fortune of bill gates (and in fact, BE him) to own Windows.

  7. Sick of lies about Ownership Costs by erroneus · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    First and last, you cannot own Windows. You can own a license which can, does and will expire or can might and has been revoked.

    If you start from that fact alone, the people spending money begin to wonder what they are buying.

  8. Re:MOD GRANDPARENT UP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Yeah, you know why I prefer pimply-faced nerds to big-cocked beautiful black men? Because they are so funnay.

    That's what's important for a girl . .. funnayness.

    Oh, wait ... NO!

    Love, Melissa.

  9. Re:MOD GRANDPARENT UP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I believe the term for you is BITCH.

  10. Non-application-specific TCO is bullshit by 0x0d0a · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The whole thing -- both Microsoft coming up with bogus TCO and Linux people coming up with bogus TCO -- is ridiculous. You can't say "X is the TCO of operating system Y". It depends overwhelmingly on your particularly circumstances. If you:

    * Have a set of people that already know Windows well

    * Use a set of Windows-only custom apps that would have to be run in WINE or rewritten for Linux

    * Have high turnover and want to take advantage of the larger number of people that know how to use Windows and Windows-based apps.

    * Have a network that is entirely seperated from the Internet, so security is less of an issue, and stuff like Microsoft's RPC/filesharing mechanism being on isn't a problem.

    All these things could easily push TCO in favor of Windows. If you:

    * Run open-source software already

    * Have employees familiar with programming or scripting that can benefit from having an environment oriented towards easily scripting or programming

    * Have existing Linux/UNIX expertise

    * Run apps that run on Linux or UNIX

    * Want to use thin clients

    TCO may be tilted in favor of Linux.

    It's so ridiculous to try to come out with bogus claims. The reason people don't *like* Microsoft is because they have lied to and burned their customers for many years. Trying to just do the same to "compete" with them is idiotic. Let them make whatever TCO claims they want, and then point out how absurd it is to make non-application-specific TCO claims, instead of just making equally ridiculous TCO claims.

  11. Cost of Ownership of a PC by myc18 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I can understand that Microsoft Windows has a lower cost of ownership than Linux. However, I feel that the REAL issue is the cost of ownership of a perssonal computer! Sure, computers (the hardware and software) are significantly cheaper to PURCHASE. But regardless of what operating system your computer runs (any flavor of Windows, UNIX/LINUX, or Mac), the cost of owning a personal computer today is extravagent, and the problem is only getting worst. It is not as simple as learning how to type, how to operate a web browser or a word-processing/office suite, but you have to be concerned with viruses, spyware, malware, security holes, software patches, and a whole plethora of other issues.

  12. Wait a minute! A lower cost of ownership? by ScottGant · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I'm sorry, but that just doesn't fly with me. I built my system from scratch and my machine cost at least $85 buck less because I DIDN'T install/buy Windows XP Home on it and instead installed Linux.

    So where are the savings if I spent 85 bucks more? I don't get it.

    This is bottom line here people...not "well, in the long run blah blah blah" kind of thing. I spent less and that's it. My whole system cost me less than $500.

    --

    "Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
  13. Re:Most Important by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Dude, this is a very unusual thing to say. I also work with Linux and WIndows and have discovered the exact opposite to be true. I've never spent a penny on Windows books, and tons on Linux books. I also rarely spend more than an hour troubleshooting WIndows. I have had problems under Linux I could NEVER solve, things that I just stopped working on because they were taking too long and weren't worth it.

    Not saying it isn't true, but just that it's highly unusual to find two people with diametrically opposite results. Maybe Windows is just easier for some people than it is for others, and vica versa.

    --
    Hey freaks: now you're ju
  14. Read the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    from article:
    Immunity's findings clearly show that the best platform for your
    targets to be running is Microsoft Windows, allowing you unparalleled value for their dollar. This result reinforces the fact that its important
    to consider more than just licensing fees when your targets choose their OS. Indeed, a variety of factors go into their choice, and over
    time, Windows has demonstrated itself to be the top contender in the, in both the server and the desktop space for Total Cost of 0wnership.

    So, even taking into account that Linux doesnt have licensing costs associated with it, MS still comes out with a lower TC0.

    It isnt a user education matter, as you make it sound. Face it, guys, MS is focused on the TCO thing, whereas Linux is not. Heck, Linux really isnt focused on anything; not that this is a bad thing. But Windows is created to be a user-friendly, managed network client. WinServer is made to be a versatile application platform or a network management platform, depending on what the server is set up as. MS is business centric, whereas Linux is geek-centric.

    The fact always remains that only a super small percentage of people require (or even care about) the ability to alter the source code. In fact, in a large managed network, customization works contrary to the IT staff's goal of standardization. Throw 1000 uniquely configured computers onto the network, and watch your support costs skyrocket.

    MS pwns Linux.

  15. Gnoppix sucks at display. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    That is all.