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100 Terabyte 3.5-inch Optical Storage

ignipotentis writes "According to PhysOrg we are close to being able to record our entire lives on a single 3.5" optical disc. This article talks about using ultraviolet light since focused laser beam is smaller in diameter than other frequencies of light. The expected cost per drive upon production is $570-$750 with discs costing $45."

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  1. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft announced that the next version of Windows will have a base install size of 99 terabytes

  2. How fragile is stored data? by erick99 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is very cool! Writing data by flipping a molecule "on" or "off." I wonder though if at the molecular level do you end up with data that is "fragile" once written to media? I don't worry too much that a burned or impressed "pit" in a CD, for example, is going to be affected by background radiation or other similar phenomena. But, if your bits are now single molecules, how robust is the media in terms of preserving the data? I am obviously not a physicist.....

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    1. Re:How fragile is stored data? by simcop2387 · · Score: 3, Informative

      well not just radiation, if it is just a single molocule, what prevents entropy from scrambling the data? all you'd have to do is heat it and boom its all scrambled

    2. Re:How fragile is stored data? by ajs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We're certainly getting to the level where we're going to require some redundancy in order to maintain data integrity, but I'm ok with buying three of these things to store my data that many times... or you could have redundant sectors on the media, perhaps fully duplicated or just maintain parity.

    3. Re:How fragile is stored data? by Tlosk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      With the capacity, throughput, and rewritability being claimed by the company, the issue of fragility is readily solved through any number of different means. It's just an engineering problem. Data redundancy, robust error checking, hardier media (diamond coatings, enclosures, smaller form factor, etc), etc.

      But it won't surprise me if between now and a product launch the specs are brought way down. While it makes great press now, cooler business heads usually prevail and squelch any advancement too far ahead of the current tech, preferring to milk the techonology over many years, a la 1X, 2X, 4X, 8X, 16X etc etc like we saw with CDs, and now seeing again with DVDs.

    4. Re:How fragile is stored data? by scrod · · Score: 3, Informative

      Existing magnetic drives already write bits multiple times in succession to guard against corruption, and CD technology has error correction as part of the standard.

    5. Re:How fragile is stored data? by scrod · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, This paper would suggest that such a ferroelectric disk would be resistant to stray electromagnetic fields.

  3. The drive alone is as much as my pc! by RoboTuna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And that's understandable. The drive and disc might cost a pretty penny, but you'd only need one drive and one disc, so who cares?

  4. Not quite $45 per disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't forget the $1/megabyte tax that the RIAA will undoubtedly impose. The price becomes a little prohibitive.

  5. Graphics inaccuracies by nstrom · · Score: 5, Informative

    The graphic in the article says 10 petabyte, not 100 terabyte. That's a factor of 100 different.

    Also, the second graphic refers to Seagate and "Maxstor"... perhaps they mean Maxtor?

    If Colossal Storage Corp. can't even get their infographics right, I don't know what that says about their ability to make these drives.

    1. Re:Graphics inaccuracies by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 5, Informative

      No kidding. Lots of red flags in this article.
      Besides the graphic problems described by the parent post (and "COLOSSAL" in big letters on the drive in the linked cheesy graphic in the PhysOrg article) and Colossal's oh-so-cheesy animated gif-filled site, there are pseudoscience-y claims:
      "Michael invented and patented the world's first and only concept for non-contact UV photon induced electric field poling of ferroelectric non-linear photonic bandgap crystals"
      "He was invited to present this fascinating discovery to the National Science Foundation in February 2004."
      Puh-leeze. The "science" part sounds like something from Star Trek: The Next Generation, and the NSF bit sounds like something out of a cheesy Hollywood script.

      And when we get right down to it, how reliable a source is PhysOrg? This, for example, doesn't strike me as the kind of news one would find on a really serious physics site...

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  6. Replacement lives needed ... by foobsr · · Score: 4, Funny

    we are close to being able to record our entire lives on a single 3.5" optical disc ...

    Obviously, we now need a technology to either spawn or backup our lives.

    CC.

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  7. Re:"record our entire lives" by Scoria · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, that disc is 1/46th the size of a Volkswagen Bug!

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  8. luggableness by karmagardless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am really happy about this. Once a week I travel 50 miles to transfer data from our main office to a remote site. You'd think that in 2004 nobody would be using sneaker net to transfer data, but when it comes to scientific data, it's much cheaper to do it by car than by fiber.

    I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one of these babies.

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  9. Colossal Storage Corp.'s Website by nstrom · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.colossalstorage.net/ -- it's pretty ghetto, in a circa 1996 sort of way. Animated GIFs abound.

  10. Coming Soon... by two-tail · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 100 Terabyte iPod! Now available for the 300%-profit-margin price of $99999!

  11. Why bother with the discs? by caitsith01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With 100 TB, why not forgo the whole notion of removable media and make it a permanent, integrated storage device? As you say, you'd only need one disc and one drive.

    If we're talking around $1000 for this type of capacity, one would think the advantages of an integrated device (longevity, reduced mechanical movement, ability to seal or create a vaccuum in the interior) would faaar outweigh the advantages of being able to remove data and carry it around in your pocket.

    Of course, at this stage it's preposterous science fiction mumbo-jumbo anyway :)

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  12. thru and thru by Kraegar · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "I gave up two times because I was not able to work thru a concept of non-volatile, non-destructive readout," says Michael. "I finally had a break thru when reviewing Einstein/Plank and Niels Bohr Atomic Theories."
    An article so well written, with all that there proper spellin, and usin words like "thru", sure does inspire me to trust their unbelievable claims.
  13. Re:"record our entire lives" by abionnnn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I REALLY should have worded myself better. =( My complaint was not with the title, nor the article itself but the description. I'm just sick of people claiming that digital storage is somehow equivelent to the way the brain stores information.

  14. This stuff writes itself! by caitsith01 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Welcome to the 3D Atomic NanoTechnology of the 3rd Millennium! Atomic Holographic Optical Data Storage NanoTechnology! Patents Granted on Revolutionary NanoTechnology for development of Rewritable Ferroelectric Volume Atomic Holographic Optical Storage NanoTechnology! ...will NOT be effected by extreme high energy EMF or Cosmic Rays i.e. Solar Flares and Solar Winds!"

    Gold!

    This is what happens when you train monkeys to speak using only a 1950s physics textbook and a biography of PT Barnum.

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  15. Re:"record our entire lives" by mst76 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A 40GB (0.04TB) iPod stores 10,000 songs. One of these discs has the capacity of 2,500 iPods, or 25 million songs. The entire iTunes Music Store catalogs has about 1 million songs, so you can store the entire iTMS 25 times on a $45 disc. I would guess that one or two of these discs can hold all recorded music ever published.

    A good quality 2 hour MPEG4 movie can fit in 1GB, so one of these discs stores 100,000 movies. If you can spend 4 hours per day watching movies, it will take more than 140 years to watch them all.

  16. Was this written by the Star Trek script team? by Nevo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Michael invented and patented the world's first and only concept for non-contact UV photon induced electric field poling of ferroelectric non-linear photonic bandgap crystals,"

    Say what?

    Captain Kirk to the bridge, please!

    The article is long on buzzwords and short on fact. Color me skeptical.

  17. 100Tb is nowhere near enough by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    100Tb is a lot of storage, but it won't be enough for a ultra hi-res 60 degree widescreen movie that's been running for just under 32 years.

    Even if a third of it is with the lens cap on.

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  18. Re:"record our entire lives" by caitsith01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's not forget that this *is* Slashdot. So for most people here you are certainly not going to need a whole disc.

    Exhibit A: the number of 'how much of my p0rn collection would fit on one of these babies' jokes posted in the first 0.025 nanoseconds after the story was posted.

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  19. Re:"record our entire lives" by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    The storage unit described is the ROEL (i.e. "recording of entire life") which refers to the number of complete human lives that can be recorded on a single disc. Currently this new media stores a maximum of only 1 Reol, although ongoing research is expected to result in substantial improvent in capacity.

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  20. Re:"record our entire lives" by Trailwalker · · Score: 3, Funny
    ...most people here you are certainly not going to need a whole disc
    And now we can say "His disk isn't quite full" or "He's a few gigs short of a full disk"
  21. It has been done by mangu · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a rather old technology for doing a spawn/merge of your body together with somebody else's. There's some additional details, with graphics, here.

  22. I can record my life on a 3.5" floppy... by fejes · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sleep, eat, work, eat, work, eat, sleep... repeat ad nauseum.

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    1. Re:I can record my life on a 3.5" floppy... by wisdom_brewing · · Score: 3, Funny

      dont you mean "ad mortum"?

  23. Numbers Numbers... by tcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every Week or so, there's a new "breakthrough" in storage that will allow us xTB or yPB to be stored on zMEDIA. In real end-user life, however, we're still behind 5 yrs ago practical announcements of tangible products.

    Remember when the DVD was announced and started shipping, what was it, 18GB onto 1 single disk, dual layer dual side. We're starting to see that dual layer out, with almost no medias, a technology that was promised way before today, remember fluorecent CD drives with over 100GB of information that were supposed to be commercially available before this year?

    We're still drooling on the blu-ray drives DUE to ship with consumer-level prices somewhat by the end of this year or next year, yet, we're still far from what we were discussing that was "so close" less than a decade ago.

    I don't want to sound bashing or anything, but what I don't like about all those announcements, it's when they dare saying a date of availability out of vapor, this, besides showing off, has the adverse effect of pissing off people that could actually design hardware/concepts around that technology, and miss their deadlines even with delays accounted in (months of delays is reasonable in some fields, but years isn't). The other bad effect is you might actually kill the funding of your technology just because lots of consumers might just wait for that "other better" technology. I'm not talking about those 50$ dvd writers, I'm talking about early adopters of new technologies (my first CDR costed me 2500$US) that pay a premium per devices, or OEM that helps to build a market for that new technology, whatever you do, it ends up pissing people off.

    Then again, I guess you have to BS a bit to get some funding sometimes just to iron out that last bug or to go from R&D to commercial, but I still don't think that giving out timeframes out of the blues or based on the "miraculous positive planning scenario" is being honnest towards the consumers and OEMs. Don't get me wrong, I love to know what's around the corner, and how it works and the fields that they are aiming, I just don't like being lied to with false hopes.

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  24. Re:Vaporware? by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My bullshit alert is blinking on overdrive here. The article seems to use the word patent in every paragraph. If this was a real article the patent would be mentioned at the end if at all.

    It is pretty suspicious when any company comes along with a technology that is an order of magnitude better than the state of the art. In this case the state of the art is about 10Gb and they are claiming 4 orders of magnitude better.

    Why would the disk be removable for that amount of storage? Surely keeping the heads free of dust would make you want to seal the thing up. Why the incredibly precise price range when we know that every new technology starts high then drops in price?

    If the technology was real you could charge $20K for a device easily. You would also find that at this point you had to use some pretty expensive electronics to keep up with the necessary data rates. 100Tb takes a heck of a lot of time to move along a firewire or USB2.0 connection.

    Getting the beam size small is not all you need to do. At the beam size they claim you would have to do quite a bit to avoid the effects of vibration etc.

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  25. What - everrrrrrrr by ckedge · · Score: 4, Insightful

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    An analysis of the "company" "ColossalStorage" and it's founder "Michael E Thomas".

    See all the waving flags on their website and his proud "United States Veteran - Top Secret Clearance" at the top of his bio page?

    Yeah, there's no way in hell these guys are delivering jack shit to the marketplace in the next 20 years, let alone the next 5.

    And who the hell is physorg.com anyways?

    Registrant:
    Alexander Pol
    Metallistov 63
    St-Petersburg,

    Uh huh. Some amateur "science/tech news site". It is NOT a respected authority on ANYTHING.

    According to google, there are ZERO websites in the world that link to physorg.com, and the first 4 pages of google "pages that contain the term" show zero references to physorg.com from anyone in the physics or real world technology industry.

  26. Re:"record our entire lives" by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The sound bytes alone won't fit on that.

    If you constantly recorded an MP3 at a decent 1MB/minute rate for an entire lifetime of 80 years, you would end up with 4.2e13 bytes, which is only 42% of 100 TB. So you could record every sound you experience or produce, with room to spare.

  27. Re:"record our entire lives" by ultranova · · Score: 4, Funny

    A good quality 2 hour MPEG4 movie can fit in 1GB, so one of these discs stores 100,000 movies. If you can spend 4 hours per day watching movies, it will take more than 140 years to watch them all.

    Ah, finally something to hold my anime collection :).

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  28. Re:"record our entire lives" by Loualbano2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but how many of these Bugs can you park in the Library of Congress?

    And if you filled the Library of Congress up with these bugs, how much bandwidth would it have? This is the real question.

    -ft

  29. Complete balderdash. by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

    make me wonder if either an editor of PhysOrg had a fun time being bought off

    From other evidence it looks like PhysOrg is part of the scam. Have you read their "whitepaper"?

    The holographic optical drive will use the Einstein/Planck Theory of Energy Quantum Electrons to control molecular properties by an atom's electron movement/displacement. The FeDrive - FeHead Semiconductor Integrated Optical Read / Write Head plans to use lenseless Ultraviolet/Blue laser diodes with Voltage transducer to write, new definition of the term include photon induced electrical field poling...

    "Those words, I don't think they mean what they think they mean"

    Disclaimer: IANAP, but I try to keep my chops in 20 years after leaving college.

  30. Re:Vaporware? by Bender_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Judging from the article, it sounds as if the drive would require a 50nm laser source. There are no cheap semiconductor lasers available for this length and never will be. And I doubt you'd want to have an excimer laser in your data drive. In addition to that it would imply that the disk has to be read in vacuum... Veeery fishy.

    In addition I refard physorg.com as a highly unprofessional site. They spam the usenet and various web forums a lot. They also have the nerve to steal entire threads(!!) from the usenet and insert them to their forum, so it looks populated.