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3D Holograms Detect Fake Signatures

Roland Piquepaille writes "Several sources reported last week that a new technique that produces 3D holograms of handwriting could be used to detect fake signatures on checks, credit card receipts or other important handwritten documents. Here are pointers to Nature, Scientific American or BBC News Online. Instead of using 2D techniques to look at the sequence of pen strokes in a signature, this new method is based on 3D micro-profilometry which permits to translate the writing into an image showing dips and furrows of the sample so that anomalies can be detected. If you plan to imitate your spouse's signature, beware! Forensics have a new and very efficient tool. As an example, for the use of ballpoint pens on normal paper, the success rate was 100%. You'll find more details, references and pictures in this overview."

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  1. I would be scared by jonknee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is my own writing that similar? What happens if I let my guard down and something slightly different, will I be arrested for fraud by forging my own name?

    1. Re:I would be scared by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd have to be wary of something claiming 100% success rate - particularly of false positives.

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    2. Re:I would be scared by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no way they'll succeed with my signature. It varies so much from one signature to the next (even if I do them at the same time) that you might think five different people are signing my name. Hell, even the pressure, strokes, and shapes are different.

      My wife was going to try and learn it, but after studying the different signatures for a while she gave up. No need to learn it - it's just a bunch of squiggles and loops.

    3. Re:I would be scared by jonknee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even for someone with a good sig, the pressure of having to be perfect might lead to slight variations. I even get nervous with the biometric scanners at Busch Gardens... And you can't really change your hand.

    4. Re:I would be scared by foidulus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It probably could not stand alone in court, just like testimony of handwriting experts alone is not enough to convict somebody. They would still have to find a motive, an opportunity, history etc.

    5. Re:I would be scared by jonknee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who cares if it stands up in court--having to go to court because of this would still be wrong. Stick with a thumbprint scanner or something.

    6. Re:I would be scared by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >There's no way they'll succeed with my signature. It varies so much from one signature to the next

      Indeed, and that is one of the key security properties of physical signatures. It's a kind of defense against replay attacks. Getting two completely identical signatures can be taken as evidence that one of them is a copy.

    7. Re:I would be scared by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      whilst your actual stroke path may be different for every signature, the order of your strokes and the pressure at different points means the paper is imprinted in a certain order.

      For instance, as I draw a capital B, i do my downstroke first, then sweep back up, to the left slightly, and then around for the 3 portion from top to bottom.

      Even if somebody had my signature as an example, they would not be able to match my drawing style.

      it would take a video of me performing the signature as well as paper samples, making it much much more difficult to achieve, and easier to detect.

      This is one of the key elements of a signature that to this point has not been able to be utilised.

      I love being left handed - it is my security by obscurity ;)

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    8. Re:I would be scared by Viceice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it would take a video of me performing the signature as well as paper samples, making it much much more difficult to achieve, and easier to detect.

      I realise that this technology is a double edged sword. While it may make detecting fraud more precise, it will also make it possible to create the perfect fake, as analising your signiture with this method will tell the fraudster exactly in what sequence and what strokes you use to create your signiture, without the need for the video.

      And since the goverment will likely have access to this tech, all tin foil hats are ON!

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    9. Re:I would be scared by Cramer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And herein is the real problem... false negatives are far worse than false positives. Denying the legitimate user, for any reason, is not acceptable in the financial world.

      How would like it if your computer refused to let you login because you typed too slowly and put too much preasure on the "P" key?

  2. Re:I doubt the 100% by fmxda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Out of the 126 writers whose handwriting they surveyed, I'm sure at least a few of them have the "messy" and "inconsistent" handwriting that some people think they have. If the techinque measures nuances that professional forgerers are not aware of/in control of, I'm sure that whatever it measures flies under your radar as well.

  3. Re:Signatures are on the way out by trans_err · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So who's going to replace your finger print and your retinas when someone figures out how to replicate that? Try replacing your fingerprints- I dare you.

    Biometrics DO NOT WORK.

  4. And the rate of False Negatives? by CharonX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A 100% detection (at least in tests) of false signatures? Great!
    How hard did they try to create a false signature?
    And how often were legit signatures rejected? (I can create an algorithm that filters out 100% of the false signatures, guaranteed - it simply rejects all signatures it gets)

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  5. Will Tablet PCs Come of Age? by PingPongBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just how much closer are tablet PCs to true handwriting recognition? Authentity aside, handwriting appears to be a simple enough problem, but so much emphasis is placed on context. People can write according to lines on a page. A semicolon shouldn't be confused for an i.

    Now if we can detect forgeries with science, surely the science can be programmed to decide whether I wrote the number 1 or the letter l or even know the letter t is not the letter f and the > is not 7.

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  6. ANOTHER ROLAND! by toxic666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why does /. keep posting articles submitted by this guy? He has a shabby blog on radio.weblogs.com and does a poor job stealing other writers work; the site is a blatant commercial effort. Yet /. keeps putting Roland's stuff up and linking to it.

    What's the deal? Is there some kind of commercial payola a la 1970's radio? Maybe the editor has a thing going with Roland, in a Clinton-McGreevy-esque way.

    *Cringe* I didn't need any of those mental images.

  7. Ballpoint Pens by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ballpoint pens are probably the best choice for signing checks and other documents. The ink is hard to bleach and the ball crushes fibers in the paper, providing a record of pressure applied to the pen. Unfortunately, nobody bothers to look at signatures on most documents, like checks.

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  8. Pointless? by Parallex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure there's any point trying to prove a signature is authentic -> How many of us actually have formal signatures that we can replicate perfectly? I know sure as hell that my signature is different every time and, sequence of pen stroke or no, I'd fail a test for my own signature every time. I'd instead be working on a way to place an electronic signature - some kind of stamp or something, that acts like a GUID for a person how needs to sign something.

  9. Wait by Rie+Beam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we have the technology to read signatures, why not just make a device to write signatures? Surely it can't be that hard?

  10. they just predicted the death of signatures by Fratz · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You figure viable bionic hands may be, what, less than 50 years away? Maybe 30? How hard would it be (in concept) to interface a holographic scan of a known signature sample with your hand's control mechanism, and get it to generate an exact copy of, or an acceptable deviation from, someone else's signature?

    We may not have the tech to exploit it in front of someone at the moment, but I can't imagine a laboratory-style exploit is far off.

    This kind of revelation about how to protect against forgery ends up defining the victory conditions a lot better, giving attackers a clearer target.

    Anyone want to take bets on how soon we'll see an article on an industrious group of technologists who modified a plotter to make automated signatures that cannot be detected as forgeries?

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  11. Won't stop check fraud by MediumFormat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just finished a part time job at a bank where I learned a frightening amount about check fraud. Such technology will do NOTHING to stop professional check cons... Most fraud goes in the check-by-mail or ATM system with enough co-deposits to ensure that the check is never looked at once by a human being, at least not for authenticity or the like. The nice little numbers on the bottom of the check do the trick and the magnetic reader takes it from there. When a person does "proof" or look at the check they will focus soley on the amount of the check and the account number... They have WAY too many items to look at such silly stuff like.... name, pay to the order of or... signature. The looming Check 21 Act aims to stamp out some fraud, but won't do much most likely. How much money would it cost banks as a whole to employ enough people to inspect each of the millions and millions of checks each day? Tellers see only a portion of a bank's total check activity. With check fraud at some $500 million a year I guess the banking industry decided it's cheaper to live with than to fully combat. Doubt some new 3D sig will do anything at all to help...