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Ultra Fast Disk Drives With No Moving Parts

saccade.com writes "Let's face it, the slowest part of PC's today is the disk drive. Bit Micro has come up with a nifty solution - flash memory based disk drives available in typical disk form-factors. These e-disks are electrically compatible with ATA, SCSI, etc. but run orders of magnitude faster - access times down to 40 usec and transfer rates over 100 MB/sec. What's the catch? Cost. Currently going for just under $1K/G, a 30G model I recently held in my hand was worth much more than my car. However, as flash memory prices drop, so do the price of these drives. Within the decade the spinning hard disk may go the way of the floppy and CRT."

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  1. Is this an ad? Or what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because I'm pretty sure most of us were aware of high cost flash media disks.

  2. Yet again by gottschalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SSD (Solid State Disk) has been around for over 30 years. Every so often it is billed as the "spinning-rust"-killer which has yet to be borne out. It's a great idea but so far rotating media has managed to improve enough to make SSD uneconomical.

  3. Floppies are dead? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Within the decade the spinning hard disk may go the way of the floppy and CRT."

    Are we done yet with the whole 'floppies are dead' stories? I regularly use floppies because it's easier to plop in a floppy, copy one file and pop out the floppy than it is to put in a USB drive, wait for your pc to recognize it (don't know about Macs), copy the file then have to correctly disconnect the USB drive

    What about those machines which don't have USB drives or who aren't on a network? What then? Floppies will be around much longer than anyone thinks and for good reason.

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    1. Re:Floppies are dead? by Kombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I regularly use floppies because it's easier to plop in a floppy, copy one file and pop out the floppy than it is to put in a USB drive, wait for your pc to recognize it (don't know about Macs), copy the file then have to correctly disconnect the USB drive

      1. Time It takes my WinXP Pro laptop about 5 seconds to recognize the USB drive and allow me to explore its contents. Likewise, "Safely removing the hardware" takes 5 seconds, tops. So we're talking 10 seconds total for mounting/unmounting. Floppies take at least 2 seconds to be recognized, though granted dismounting is instantaneous. Advantage: floppy, by 8 seconds.

      However, there is another huge issue I think you are neglecting:

      2. Size While that floppy might be 8 seconds faster, I hope whatever you're planning on transporting is less than 1.44 MB. Nowadays, there is very little I transport that would fit on such an incredibly small storage medium. A 256 MB USB key can hold as much data as 178 floppy disks, and fits on my keychain.

      Finally, a caveat regarding your "time" complaints about USB: it takes much longer to write 1.44 MB to a floppy disk than it does to write that same 1.44 MB to a USB drive. So your 8 second mounting/unmounting delta is rendered utterly moot.

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  4. Man, the Bottleneck by handy_vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The slowest part of PC's today is the disk drive.

    No, the slowest part of PC's today is the user interface. The rate at which a user enters data (via keyboard/mouse) is a fraction of the rate at which a user thinks. (Your mileage may vary, of course.)

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  5. Nothing happening then. by julesh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Within the decade the spinning hard disk may go the way of the floppy and CRT.

    You mean it'll still be the default option on most new PCs and in use by ~90% of PC users?

  6. WHy not integrate with the motherboard then? by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason hard disks etc are seperate devices is because they have mechanical parts that require motors etc to work. If this is going to be replaced by memory chips then why not just integrate the whole lot on the motherboard as just another plug in memory module? Why make it slower by passing it through SCSI or ATA not to mention the extra cost of including the interface electronics?

  7. Re:Not that new. by essreenim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    $1K/G,
    Just SAY IT - a whooping 1,000 $ for 1 crappy GB! No thanks I'll stick with my s-ata, and if that gives me any more issues, I'll get rid of that too, and use IDE

  8. Re:Not that new. by bsd4me · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They also have industrial uses. They get used in places where the gyroscopic effect of a normal drive would be undesirable, or the vibration caused is undesirable.

    Personally, I don't think the price will come down that much. FLASH devices (the actual chips) are used in a ton of places. In the past there have been shortages of the devices, and IIRC the cell phone manufacurers are the largest buyers of them.

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  9. What about disk prices? by jesup · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This "disk drives will be obsolete" assumes that disk drive prices are flat. Drive prices are one of the few things that has (if anything) beaten Moore's Law. Eventually they'll probably flatten out - but not yet. The "death knell of rotating media" has been sounded more times than I can remember. Anyone remember the front-page stories that by late 80's bubble memory would have replaced hard disks? :-)

  10. Re:Not that new. by bstone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought the problem with flash was a limited number of write cycles (10,000-100,000?). With this thing rated at up to 25,000 IOPS, is would seem that they might not last all that long (4 seconds?). I don't see any indication of some breakthrough in flash memory itself.

    Also, what's so different from this and just using a standard CF card? You can get 1GB of CF for under $150. It should be fairly simple to put together a "CF-raid" drive for way less than $1K/GB.

  11. Yes, floppies are dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about those machines which don't have USB drives or who aren't on a network? What then? Floppies will be around much longer than anyone thinks and for good reason.

    What about those machines which don't have floppies?

    Seriously, I haven't put a floppy into a machine in the last 6 years. They're totally unnecessary nowadays. They're about useless for transporting documents for the simple reason that the majority of useful documents exceed the size of the floppy nowadays.

    And USB drives are much cooler than you seem to make them out to be. Plug the thing into the USB connector in the front, it mounts, you copy, you unplug the thing. Yes, you might have to wait a second or two for it to recognize and mount the thing, but that's better than waiting for at least 90 seconds to copy 1.4 meg to the slow-as-hell floppy.

    Floppies once had limited usefulness as being the only easy way to bootstrap the system. Boot from the floppy, format the hard drive, install the OS. Now that every mobo can do CD booting, I no longer need boot floppies, as I can have boot CD's instead.

  12. Always beware of "X is dead!" in the media by dmccarty · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Within the decade the spinning hard disk may go the way of the floppy and CRT.

    Within the decade the spinning hard disk may be capable of holding terabytes, or even petabytes, on a single platter. And it will be orders of magnitude cheaper than solid state storage as we know it. I doubt that hard drives will go the way of the dodo anytime soon.

    Just as a comparison, look at how many backup solutions still use tape media (and use it very effectively and cheaply, I might add).

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  13. The problem with hard drives by NeoFunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, hard drives are slow, but that's not my main problem with them. They *are* a bottleneck, but since most applications get the hard disk access "out of the way" at the very beginning and load everything they need into RAM, I could deal with slow hard drive technology for the rest of the forseeable future, if only...

    ... they were reliable. Hard drives are the only PC components that have ever died on me. Actually, that's not quite true - I had a CD-rom die once, and a few fans here and there; what do all these have in common? Mechanical parts. And when it comes down to it, what do most users value most in their computers? The files on their hard drives. Spinning death traps is what they are. Spinning, clicking, grinding death traps.

    I don't know much about flash memory technology or the reliability associated with it. I don't give a hoot how fast it is. If it's solid state (no moving parts) and can guarantee me it won't one day decide to utterly destroy itself, I'm sold.

  14. Re:Not that new. by GeckoX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yup, lets jam that new fangled star shaped peg into our good old trusty square hole over here...

    Why the hell would we stuff this onto the IDE interface? This would be a great opportunity to drop that interface entirely.

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