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It's Just the 'internet' Now?

This morning Wired News announced that 'web', 'net', and 'internet' will no longer be capitalized in their stories. Is this the next logical step after ditching 'e-mail' in favor of 'email' , or should the global computer network still be treated with a proper name? For more discussion, see Wikipedia, The Chicago Manual, and an article profiling Joseph Turow's de-capitalization efforts.

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  1. Tanenbaum by Gumshoe · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reason we capitalise 'Internet' is so that we can distinguish between it and mere 'internets'. 'Internet', with a lower case 'i', refers to any set of interconnected networks. Whereas 'Internet', with a capital 'i' refers to "the specific, worldwide internet that is widely used to connect universities, government offices, companies and [...] private individuals". That quotation incidentally comes from Tanenbaum's textbook, "Computer Networks" (3rd edition, page 16) where he made the exact same distinction that I have just made.

    It's always been capitalised and always will be AFIAC.

  2. maybe you're just kidding, but by IshanCaspian · · Score: 5, Informative

    A lot of people joke around about this, but the truth of the matter is that he never claimed that he "invented it," only that he secured funding for it. This funding was instrumental in its creation. Really, this whole joke is just another example of a witty Republican smear that has no basis in fact.

    http://dir.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2000/10/05/go re _internet/index.html

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  3. Wikipedia comment by Raul654 · · Score: 5, Informative

    (Speaking as a Wikipedia admin) - god, oh god, why did you link to the *TALK* page and not the article? Sigh...

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  4. Re:You know... by Bearpaw · · Score: 3, Informative
    Al Gore invented the "Internet" so shouldn't we ask his permission before we change any names?

    I'll never understand why this pathetic lameness is still considered funny for so long after the Republicans started exaggerating what Gore actually said. Is it some sort of self-mocking humor by the people dumb enough to repeat it?

  5. Internet vs. internet by p0rnking · · Score: 4, Informative

    With most of the words in question, I don't see the point in having the first letter capitalized, such as email, web, net (wich is slang for Internet), but with Internet vs. internet, I thought there was a difference between the 2, where internet refers an "inter-network (a link between networks which has not been tied to The Internet), and Internet refers to the "net".

  6. Re:Next move... by slamb · · Score: 4, Informative
    The internet was never a brand name, thus, there was no need to capitalize it.

    Wow, you've been thoroughly commercialized. Brand names aren't the only things capitalized in English.

    Proper nouns (also called proper names) are names and denote unique entities. [...] Proper nouns are capitalized in English and most or all other languages that use the Latin alphabet; this is one easy way to recognize them.

    (from Wikipedia)

    We refer to it as the Internet. Corporations have intranets. The capitalization conveys meaning. Wired's usage is wrong.

  7. The Internet vs. private internets. by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

    Correctimundo, my friend. I was wondering why nobody made this point: any routed network using the Internet Protocol is an internet. The first private or restricted internets like MILnet were around long before the publicly-facing portion of the ARPAnet expanded into the Internet.

  8. Re:Next move... by iksowrak · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Internet was never a brand name but the capital I Internet is used to differentiate between the global Internet and other internetworks or internets. There's more than one internet but only one Internet.

  9. Excellent info. on WIkipedia... by Sam+Nitzberg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wikipedia has a good write-up at the top of its entry for Internet:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

    and I appreciate the manner in which it addresses the "popular parlance" for "internet" in terms of the commonly used services on the Internet, e.g. "A system running internet services." (my example, based on Wikipedia's narrative).

    There is also a good discussion of Capitonyms:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitonym

    I think Wikipedia got it right.

  10. Language authorities by Rich+Klein · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why would you look to Wired for questions about language? That's what dictionaries are for! If you want to know if a word should be capitalized or not, look to a dictionary like OED or Merriam-Webster. Incidentally, Merriam-Webster lists internet with a capital "I."

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  11. Pacific Ocean or "pacific ocean"? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Informative

    The internet was never a brand name, thus, there was no need to capitalize it.

    Capitalization is determined by whether or not something is a proper noun, not by whether it is a brand name. The Internet is a proper noun, as opposed to "the internet", which would refer to, say, one's private corporate internet.

    If you'd like other examples: nobody owns the "Pacific Ocean", but because there is only one "Pacific Ocean" (despite being many oceans that could be called pacific) we capitalize it. There are many moons, but only one Moon. There are many presidents, but President as a title is capitalized, because it is used as a proper noun.

    The proper way to refer to Google is "Google" when using the term as a noun -- it is a proper noun that refers to a company. The *verb* "google", meaning "to search for on Google", is not capitalized.

  12. While we're complaining... by EvanED · · Score: 4, Informative

    The abbreviation 'i.e.' does NOT mean 'for example.' If you want 'for example', use 'e.g.'

    The former is an abbreviation for the latin 'id est', which means 'that is'. It's a rephrasing of what came before.

    Your use is probably not strictly wrong, as reading it with 'that is' works, just 'e.g.' ('exempli grati') would work better.

  13. Actually, the NYT has a point. by panurge · · Score: 3, Informative
    One use of apostrophes between a noun and the plural s has been to indicate that the noun is not a normal English word. (There is more about this in Eats, shoots and leaves by Lynne Truss.)
    MP3s is a good example. "MP3" is not a word. It is not even an acronym, since it has no discernible vowels and the "3" is clearly not a pronounceable letter. Furthermore, it does not have a meaningful plural form: MP3s would presumably be pronounced "em pee three ess", but the actual pronunciation "em pee threes" seems to suggest that there are a set of threes of the MP variety.

    A really stuffy way of indicating what is intended would be to write "MP3"s, to indicate that the thing in quotes is actually a quotation of informal speech. So it is quite reasonable to put a less ostentatious punctuation mark to say "Hey, this is a complete bastardisation of English, but this is what people are using."

    Personally, I think that "MP3 files" is clearer and less offensive to us grammar Nazis, but newspapers have to reflect real world usage.

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  14. Re:Next move... by Angostura · · Score: 4, Informative

    An internet is any connected series of networks. The Internet is the globally connnected system that we are currently using.

  15. Re:Those are i(I?)ntranets........genius.. by cheese_wallet · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Intranet" is meaningless marketspeak which usually applies to a Web site.

    The technical term "internet" applies to a collection of "networked networks".

    Genius.


    Apparently you haven't made it into the real world yet. Intra means within. Inter means between. You have interstate roads (crossing boundaries) and intrastate roads (stay within the state). A corporations network that is not open to the public is an intranet. It is used only within (intra) the company.

    intranet is most certainly not meaningless marketspeak.

  16. Re:Wired and their "next moves" by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "(a desperate attempt by Swatch, who has put every useful gadget and more onto a watch, to produce new required features to drive watch sales)"

    I swear, the whole .beat system has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever come across (and Sega was even stupider for implementing it in PSO!).

    We already have a very nice time standard for the internet. It's called "Coordinated Universal Time" or UTC for short (because the acronym UTC confuses speakers of all languages equally). The internet even has its own protocol for distributing UTC to various machines. The only problem one might have with UTC is the possibility of leap seconds cropping up every now and then, but all you need to do is poll your favorite NTP server and your clock will be back on track.

    But Swatch has to go and break things for the sole purpose of trying to be "cool."

    First off, they're stupid enough to use the length of a mean solar day as their standard, which means they inherit the problems of UTC. They could have tried some different standard, something that made their "beat" system an actual alternative to UTC instead of simply dressing it up in a new set of clothes, but that might have resembled innovation too much. The only difference now is that we talk about leap beats instead of leap seconds.

    Then they go off and break the Prime Meridian. Ever since Harrison started to build his little trinkets (now he could build a watch!) over two centuries ago just about everybody has been using the line of longitude passing through Greenwich, England. But no, God forbid they conform to anything vaguely resembling a standard, they have to pick their own meridian. Continuing with their theme of "just dress up UTC," they don't actually pick the meridian going through Swatch headquarters, they pick the nearest multiple of 15 degrees from the Greenwich Meridian.

    But the real flaw in the system, the one that drives the final nail in the coffin of this God-awful idea that can serve as a symbol of the dot-com bubble all too well, was the idea of dividing the day into an even 1000 "beats." Yay. 1000. A nice round number. It's just like SI. Except we already have SI!!!. And the SI unit of time is not the mean solar day, it is the second! Everything is seconds! 60 seconds in a minute! 3600 seconds in an hour! 86,400 seconds in an SI day! And now we have 86.4 seconds in a beat? Yay! We now have the first man-made unit of time that isn't an integer number of seconds! At a time when people such as myself catch hell from self-styled "metric" zealots for measuring things in units of 0.3048 m and 0.45359237 kg, Swatch has now developed a system of measuring time that everybody can agree is fucked up!

    Swatch could have done something neat. They could have been constructively different instead of just being different in an effort to be "cool" (which they apparently also failed miserably at). How about a system of time that does nothing but count off integer seconds? No minutes, hours, days or years, just seconds. They pick some arbitrary time to start counting from (say, 2000 January 1 00:00:00 UTC or 1999 December 31 12:00:00 UTC, since "Y2K" was so freakin' trendy at the time) and have a watch that tells you how many hectoseconds it's been since then (they could even call them "beats" instead). It'd be simple, it'd be different, and it'd have absolutely nothing to do with "time in the real world" (since so few people are able to divide any given integer by 864 in their heads). And it'd have an advantage over all the other time standards widely used today in that it is purely SI (UTC has that leap-second fudge factor to add into TAI, and even the TAI put out by BIPM ticks off an MJD every 86,400 s). The only problem I'd have with it then is the fact that the WWVB signal doesn't carry information on the current offset between UTC and TAI (and NTP does even less), which would mean having to put the TAI offset into my radio-controlled watch by hand, but I'd put up with it for the niftiness factor alone.

    Does Swatch even offer a radio-controlled watch, or is keeping accurate time not important enough a feature to put into one of their watches?