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Two New Saturnian Moons

Mixel writes "NASA's Cassini spacecraft, which has been orbiting saturn since the 30th of June has uncovered two previously unknown bodies. 'The moons are approximately 3 kilometers (2 miles) and 4 kilometers (2.5 miles) across -- smaller than the city of Boulder, Colorado.' The Huygens probe will be deployed to the large (bigger than Mercury!) yet mysterious moon, Titan, in December."

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  1. Re:One small step... by shfted! · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not quite. It's very likely a good jump or powerful stride would send you flying off into space, as a moon of that size would likely have a very low gravity.

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  2. Re:Can these really be called moons? by F13 · · Score: 5, Informative
    How about natural satellite

  3. Re:Dammit! by Compholio · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe because the discovery was in Boulder?

    Cassini Imaging Central Laboratory for Operations
    Space Science Institute, Boulder, Colo.
    -- http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press-releases-04/ 20040816-pr-a.cfm

  4. Re:Are they really moons? by Icarus1919 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The line between the two is what they orbit. A moon orbits a planet, an asteroid orbits the Sun.

    Of course, when whether we should just stop calling an object orbiting a planet a moon, and just call it a rock when it's past a certain minimum size, is up to the scientists.

  5. Re:Are they really moons? by Colgate2003 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Moons orbit other (non-solar) bodies. Ceres can't be a moon because it only orbits the Sun. Some asteroids have satellites (moons) themselves.

    There is no set cut-off point, but several miles seems to be considered moon-sized, while the larger chunks in Saturn's rings aren't big enough at a few hundred feet.

  6. A couple of definitions by cy_a253 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A satellite is any object that orbits a planet, regardless of mass.

    A moon is any natural object that orbits a planet, again regardless of mass. (so probes and debris don't qualify)

    A planet is an object massive enough to become spherical under its own gravitationnal field, that orbits a star. An asteroid is any rocky object that orbits a star and doesn't qualify as a planet.

    A moon doesn't have to be spherical, so that's why the two irregular moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos (captured asteroids), are still called moons. The rings of saturn are made up of millions of small "moons", but they are (rightfully so) considered a single entity.

  7. Re:olbigatory quote by 0racle · · Score: 2, Informative

    What about (-1, Obvious response to an obvious joke)

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  8. Re:But where did the RING SPOKES go? by blincoln · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is this guy onto something big, or is he delusional?

    If you read more than a few paragraphs of Hoagland's work, it becomes pretty obvious that the latter is the case.

    Hoagland is the one who is still obsessed with the "face on Mars," interprets JPEG image artifacts as proof of aliens, and so on.

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  9. What is a Moon? by jebiester · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a very interesting article at space.com entitled 'What is a Moon?'.

  10. Re:What are 'moonies' composed of though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    what keeps Io from becoming a ring?

    Distance. Saturn's rings are within the Roche limit, Io is outside.

  11. Re:What about garbage? by Errtu76 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some interesting thoughts about what exactly is a moon can be found here

    From what i understand from the article is that nobody is sure what exactly the definition of a moon is.

  12. Re:hurm by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 3, Informative
    You made me curious; here's a page I found with a semi-rigorous calculation of the largest body which has an escape velocity small enough for a human to actually jump completely off of it. (I was going to do the calculation myself, but then I found this page) Link

    For those too lazy to read the link, the result is a meteor with a diameter of about 7 km would be required to increase the escape velocity enough that you couldn't jump off. This of course assumes a certain density for the meteor and also that you are an olympic high-jumper. Also, it assumes that you can apply the same jumping force on the meteor as on the earth, which probably isn't true as you couldn't get a good running start. But it's an interesting result nonetheless, and using your definition these "moons" probably wouldn't qualify. Certainly comfortable walking would be impossible.

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  13. Re:But where did the RING SPOKES go? by snake_dad · · Score: 3, Informative
    Is this guy onto something big, or is he delusional?

    Ask Phil Plait.

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