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IBM Files for Partial Summary Judgement vs SCO

Armchair Dissident writes "The Register is reporting that IBM has filed for partial summary judgement against SCO. Groklaw also has the story, and is saying that SCO was still offering the disputed code for download as recently as August 4 2004. If this is true, then - according to Groklaw - SCO's case must surely be scuppered. Again."

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  1. Scuppered? by YetAnotherName · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ah, "to scupper":

    v. 2. put in a dangerous, disadvantageous, or difficult position

    Yep, that's it.

  2. Re:Even if they offer a "download" by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Informative
    Even if they offer a "download" of the disputed code, how do we know they didn't just copy some random code which did exist in the kernel?

    If they offered their disputed code for download as part of SCO Linux, then they put it under the GPL themselves.

    Their get-out for this is 'we didn't know our code was in Linux!', which might have been a case for them... if they didn't carry on making Linux available after they supposedly discovered their code in it.

    By leaving SCO Linux available for download under the GPL after they knew their alleged property was in it, they've GPL'd that property. Hence, they're stuffed.

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  3. Derivative, but still important by grunt107 · · Score: 5, Informative

    IBM goes on to argue that old agreements with AT&T and expert witnesses make it clear that IBM was allowed to do what it liked with "derivative works." It would have been bad business for IBM to agree to broad terms banning it from controlling "derivative works," it says.

    If the AT&T contracts show the approval of derivative works, any AIX code IBM developed and then added to Linux would definitely be out of scope.

    I think someone is SCO-rewed on this one.

  4. Re:Even if they offer a "download" by ajs · · Score: 5, Informative

    And they did offer it for download for a LONG time. Many people, myself included, were posting links to the kernel source RPM on their ftp site for the first 6 months or so of the suits, here on Slashdot. I have a downloaded copy of it.

    It was the 2.4.13 kernel with some patches, so if AND ONLY IF, SCO has a problem with code that was added after 2.4.13, can they really mount a case that that code was not put under the GPL by SCO after the suit began.

  5. Re:What's the quickest this could be finished? by prhodes · · Score: 5, Informative
    If the judge basically doesn't extend SCO the benefit of the doubt any further on any of this, how long might it take for the whole thing to be completely dead, stop quivering, be visibly a corpse? How long can SCO continue to drag the threat out before it's dead?

    It's going to be a while, I think:

    • 1. The whole business of the Partial Summary Judgement(PSJ) on IBM's 10th Counterclaim has to be resolved.
    • 2. This new PSJ has to be resolved (IBM filed, now SCO responds, then IBM responds to SCO, then there are oral arguments, then the judge issues a ruling)
    • 3. Any additional motions must be resolved.
    • 4. Whatever's left of SCOs claims goes to trial.
    • 5. IBMs counterclaims go to trial (this may be combined with 4, I'm not sure).

    So, it may be a while. I suspect IBM has other motions ready to gut the rest of SCOs claims, and these will need to be resolved. The only way I can see this resolved quickly is if SCO just folds, and that's IMO unlikely - it would expose them to massive shareholder lawsuits & probably an SEC inquiry.

    -Phil
    IANAL, I just read Groklaw

  6. Groklaw has the story first, not "also" by Jayfar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not to dis the Register, with their brief writeup dated today, but Groklaw had the story yesterday morning, including comprehensive analysis. To write that Groklaw "also has the story" is off the mark. Groklaw is, as usual, the preeminent primary source.

  7. Re:What's the quickest this could be finished? by slipstick · · Score: 5, Informative

    I agree its still going to be a while but I think we can make a better guess than that.

    The grandparent post stipulated that the judge wouldn't give SCO any more wiggle room, which I don't believe is all that far-fetched. Here, I take wiggle room as "we need more discovery", as opposed to "my nephews sick I need more time to file". The latter is what I would characterize as normal operations, the first is wiggling.

    IBM filed their first PSJ on or about May 21st. The initial oral argument was scheduled for Aug. 4th but this has been moved to Sept. 14th. Presuming a couple of days for the judge to ponder and that decision would be handed down around Sept.16th. So, let's call it 3 and 1/2 months. Thus, from the date of Friday's filing(Aug.13th) that would place a resolution on the contract question by or about Dec.1st or so, call it Dec.7th for good measure.

    Now, presuming further that both PSJ's go in IBM's favor, there would be little left to argue as the rest of SCO's case hinges entirely on their claims in the contract claims. I will guess that IBM will file a few more of these PSJ motions, basing them on the two already in play. So I will guess that by mid-May of next year almost all of SCO's case will have been dismembered. Effectively making "this" over. There will of course be the inevitable clean-up which will occur because IBM has all their counter-claims and I guarantee they are not going to let those drop. So sometime around November of next year I suspect SCO will declare bankruptcy or negotiate that IBM take over SCO operations with no money changing hands.

    Whether IBM desires to persue old Darl and his cronies for some malfeasance I can't guess in which case the "whole thing" won't be over for some time, but all the nasty stuff will be over by May or June of next year.

    IANAL yadda yadda yadda...

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  8. Re:Don't be so cheap, everyone by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Didn't you read? They're planning to raise their prices.

    Anyhow, I submitted something just like this, only with about a dozen links to more information (sadly, I don't have all of them here now), so perhaps I can explain more --

    This motion follows IBM's motion to strike Sontag's declaration as incompetant (he doesn't know jack about IBM's internal source controls, but he made a number of wild guesses and swore to them under oath), as well as IBM's movement for a declaration of non-infringement concerning their Linux activities. It is ironic on the last part that SCO doesn't want to let them have one, and it says at the same time that they're not arguing that IBM has infringed on their copyrights now.

    I'd link those motions, but I don't have time. They can all be found on Groklaw's legal documents page. Just be sure you're looking at the SCO vs. IBM part, and that you start at the bottom & scroll up--both SCO's complaint & IBM's counter-claims have changed over time, and you want the most recent version.

    If they were to grant all of IBM's motions, they would be enough to rend pretty much all Linux-related issues from this case, and would leave SCO with almost nothing that could stand on its own and SCO would still face the counter-claims.

    Of course, the judge has to be really strict on granting summary judgements. There have to be no material (relevant) issues of fact to decide--the evidence has to be so one-sided that no rational trier of fact could possibly decide for SCO on any of the issues the judge decides. This is important because the judge rules on the law, while the jury rules on the facts in any jury trial. If you can't guess from that, a summary judgement is where the judge gets to decide an issue early because there are no material issues of fact for a jury to decide.

    In other words, though IBM's motions are well-argued, they face a *very* high standard of law here. Please note that while Enderle has said that he would decide for SCO, that's irrelevant because the trier of fact would have to be rational, and logic is not Enderle's strong suit.