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Hardware That Literally Doesn't Stink?
gtaylor writes "You know that new computer smell? Some people (like me) get sick from it. Can Slashdot readers provide good suggestions for mice or keyboards made from ceramic, unlacquered hardwood, metal, etc, non-plastic headphones and microphones, screens like the new metal-framed cinema display from Apple, etc? (Wood is not necessarily right if it's glued or varnished.) I have a Sharp Plasmacluster air purifier that is very helpful but the fewer volatile organic chemicals released in the first place, the better. I'll also need a chair (leaning to the Herman Miller Mirra chair) and an adjustable metal/hardwood desk. High-density hard synthetics like polypropylene (a popular material at Ikea) or acrylic are also inert enough to be fine if they have no plasticizers - suggestions for a full office set-up welcome."
Even ignoring that... i would go get some nasal filters or similar solution if need to, or get some air filtering system for home. Change the world around you vs. change yourself.
Just my 2 cents, from a concerned parent who's been there.
Sensibility to volatile compounds is a rare allergy, but it is true. It's not some kind of queer twist. There are people that cannot dress anything but pure,white cotton without having serious, harmful allergies.
I'm allergic,with asthma. My condition is much milder than him, but I indeed suffer inside new cars, for example.
I hate politically correct,so it's nice you joke. But,after,try help him. (I have no clue,sorry).
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If you very sensitive, get a friend to open up all the shrink wrap and let it air out and his/her place. New plastics do outgas but it doesn't last very long.
I think I stopped taking this kind of thing very seriously when I read a study where self-identified MCS sufferers were intentionally exposed to chemicals in a blind test - expose them to chemicals with no detectable odor, and they have no reaction. Expose them to harmless chemicals with a noticeable odor, and they immediately have a "reaction".
I hate to be a bastard, but I think that for the vast majority of "sufferers", the underlying problem is far more likely to be psychological than physiological. Perhaps you should approach it from that perspective.
ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
do you think that somebody who decides 'it's the lightbulbs' would have properly ruled that out?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I dunno if I'd call it "stupid". I work in Healthcare ( respiratory as well, but mostly dealing with sleep medicine instead of allergies ), and people think they understand their bodies pretty well. I mean, they're around them practically all the time, so they sort of consider themselves to be an authority on the subject.
People form a speculative hypothesis on what might be causing their problems, and then their everyday experiences are subtly edited by memory to fit and reinforce these ideas. Not everyone has the understanding of proper eliminative testing, or the discipline, to correctly figure out their problem, or at least some kind of ameliorating behavior, unlike that chicken-dude who's floating around in this thread somewhere. This isn't just a medical problem - people do this in all facets of their lives.
Don't be too harsh on these folks. Nobody likes to feel sick, and even less to not understand what's happening to their body. Reaching out for a hypothesis that they can understand is natural in this situation - it's the job of healthcare professionals to reach through this barrier of uncertainty and provide correct diagnosis and treatment.
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...go and see a doctor about it?
If it's genuine, nobody will have better resources to identify what's causing the allergy.
If it's psychosomatic, nobody will be better qualified to identify it as such and treat it.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Engineers with common sense? As an engineering student, trust me when I say you have no idea how wrong you are.
Well stop assuming. You've obviously never met anyone like this. I know several, and I'll second BoldAC's opinion.
No one is claiming that there's some serious, or even identifiable, mental health issue in these people. But they do tend to be more than a little high-strung.
Actually, there are many other, better and more precise ways, of putting it; ways I would expect a health care professional to use.
You would only cite the DSM if you were making a proper diagnosis. BoldAC isn't doing that. He has merely made an observation as to a certain personality type. Surely he's as free to do that as anyone else. MDs are allowed to be human beings too, you know.
In any event, allergists to not diagnose psychiatric conditions any more than an psychiatrist ought to be diagnosing allergies.
And the brethren went away edified.
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It is definitely possible to make yourself physically sick if you are mentally convinced you are sick.
I spent years fighting near constant bouts of nausea. Saw a slew of specialists, had scans, tests, X-rays, pokes, prods, and pills. Nothing helped. After a few years I began to realize it was the situtations I was in that seemed to induce my nausea... gee could it be mental?
Short story: yes. I had(have?) "Social Phobia" before it was the cool thing (like ADHD that every third kid has). The damnest thing is that once I knew what was wrong, and was positive my feeling sick was purely in my head, I discovered it was still impossible to not feel "sick" sometimes. It's just like being scared of flying. You can be on a plane and rationally know that you are safer than in your car, but still be terrified at the same time.
My feeling is that a lot of these MCS people just freak out when they smell something "odd". I doubt there is a single treatment to snap these people out of their loop. Therarpy did nothing for my problem, but the slightest taste of an SSRI drug fixed me like flipping a switch. For other people, drugs just make them feel nasty, and talking things out helps.
The point is, I think there is something wrong with people who "have" MCS, and it can be serious, but no amount of avoid the "bad chemicals" is going to help them.
Take two, call me in the morning. Don't sue. No for use with certain sets, your mileage may vary...
Hypochondriacs do.
People with multiple chemical sensitivity are usually depressed, and reject suggestions by attending doctors that they see a psychologist, dismissing it as patronizing- they're truly offended and think the doctor is dismissing their claims, when the doctor is actually recognizing someone who's depressed and regardless of physical symptoms, needs to see a trained psychologist.
MCS also is almost always self-diagnosed; patients come to doctors claiming they have it. That is a hallmark of invented diseases and hypochondriacs.
The chemicals leeched off by plastics- and particularly vinyl in cars and the like- are very toxic, actually- but the simple solution is to air out the object in question. Put the keyboard on your porch or something for a few days or something, or for chrissakes, leave the window open.
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WTF? Have you ever TRIED referring a multiple sensitivity disorder patient to a psychiatrist??
That's the entire point of their disorder! They don't WANT to believe that it's "all in their head" and if you suggest as much, they will find another doctor who isn't so discriminating. (ie, a doctor who will take their word.)
It's easy to complain that doctors don't treat patients "holistically", but mistakes in this area are unforgivable. You can thank our legal system for that. As a result, doctors dare not treat patients for conditions outside their specialized areas of expertise. Not if they want to stay in practice, that is.
You'll find that doctors generally have little say in who comes to them. In extreme cases they will refuse further treatment, but usually they make a good-faithg effort to treat a patient for the complaints they bring forward. But when a patient refuses necessary tests, refuses to acknowledge true causes for her complaints, and possibly even refuses a suggestion for psychiatric treatment -- what can a doctor do but throw up his hands over it?
It's easy to be cynical from where you sit, of course, but if you ever knew any actual doctors personally you'd know that by and large they'd be perfectly happy never to see another hypochondriac again. But they dare not turn them away just on the off-chance it's something real this time. You can thank our legal system for that too.
And the brethren went away edified.
I've just got to poke my nose in here, as this is a pet peave of mine. The abstract you linked to was able to find three significant digits of results in their survey of 32 people. This is a classic example of why an extra large dose of skepticism is warranted when it comes to psychologists and others in the "soft sciences" publishing statistical research.
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