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Cheating Made Easy

jefu writes "This NY Times story talks about the kinds of papers that students might find (and buy) on the web. It also mentions turnitin.com a site that will scan papers and attempt to determine if it was copied. The article uses 'The Great Gatsby' as an example and notes that for the time it takes to read the book and write a paper, buying a paper seems a poor tradeoff. However, many books (or required papers) involve much more work on the part of the student, so the question becomes that much more difficult. If you have to do a report on 'Ulysses' it takes a bit more than a few hours just to read the book - let along understand enough to do a reasonable paper on it."

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  1. That's what you get... by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When getting good grades is more important than actually understanding the subject.

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    1. Re:That's what you get... by scottme · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Part of the problem is having required courses in a program that student's might not want to take and thus might not care about learning the material.

      So students should get to do only what they like? I suppose that's a point of view, but it doesn't greatly coincide with what I understand learning to involve.

      The role of the pupil - and undergraduates are pupils - involves to a great extent submitting to the greater knowledge and understanding of the teacher. Maybe this comes as a surprise, but most teachers take their jobs seriously and don't assign tasks to pupils on a whim. If they want you to learn something, there is usually a reason for it. What you should do if you're a good pupil is buckle down and learn it.

      Later on in graduate school or in employment when you're given some responsibility you can make decisions about what seems to make sense and what doesn't. By that time you'll have learnt enough to be trusted to make those decisions.

  2. it's not really cheating by dncsky1530 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I use Sparknotes.com often and it really helps you understand books and better prepare for tests. I also use myBiblio for bibliographies which works pretty well too. tutors arent consideredd cheating so why should study aids?

    1. Re:it's not really cheating by RWerp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, if you cannot understand books by reading them and need help... do you really deserve to pass?

      He should read the book by himself, that's certain, but reading other people's analyses is OK, as long as he (the reader) does his own thinking and adds something of his own to the analysis (and does not steal other people's ideas). It should be, in my opinion, required at the university level to compare your opinions with those already published by the professional literature critics.

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  3. This is not the worst kind. by random_culchie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have also seen sites that advertise (for greater expense) to write papers individually for you. These (if they are individually written) will NOT be caught by any technical means. Its still down to the professor/lecturer to make a judgment based on the persons grades.

  4. finding cheats easy too by Ev0lution · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My wife teaches at a university, and each year many of the first essay assignments she sets are copied straight off the internet, maybe with a bit of cut'n'pasting but often just a straight copy. We spend half an hour Googling phrases that the students were unlikely to have written (look for the long words!) and i'll bet we find 9 out of 10 sources. A written warning and a lecture from the head of studies and the problem is solved until the next year. Maybe 1 in 10 are smart enough to cover their sources so we can't prove they cheated, but, hey, that almost counts as research... ;-)

    1. Re:finding cheats easy too by Shawn+Parr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      My wife ran across something similar while teaching at a community college. One of her students turned in an essay about the wrong topic, that wasn't really complete (ended suddenly).

      I happened to notice that when the student printed it, she had left the URL on the bottom of the pages, she had just printed straight out of Internet Explorer.

      I'm not sure which is worse:

      1. The Plagerism
      2. The fact that she was too lazy to see if the paper was complete
      3. The fact that she didn't even try to cover up the fact she did it.

      The worst part is that the school policies stated very strict repercussions for such acts, however the administration didn't actually follow through on any of them.

  5. Better 95% fix by boots@work · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If universities are concerned about cheating, they should give more weight to exams, where it is harder to cheat.

    Exams alone put too much weight on memorization and performance under pressure, rather than research and long-term thought.

    Therefore, tell people ahead of time what the broad area is, though not the specific topic. Let them bring in a few pages of notes, but those notes have to be submitted with the exam.

  6. When I was in college... by Savet+Hegar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    several of the teachers subscribed to a lot of the websites where you can buy term papers and reports.

    While this doesn't stop the people who pay to have one written for them, or the ones who do a fair amount of tailoring their "store-bought" essays, it at least helps eliminate the stupid cheaters.

    I actually enjoy reading, so in my opinion, it's a waste of time and money to buy your reports when you learn so much more by doing it yourself. Not to mention the fact that you know you earned your grade honestly.

    I actually feel sorry for the people who short themselves by not doing the work themselves.

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  7. It may very well be time to re-evaluate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...the importance of college. Middle American society is now at a state where college doesn't mean anything over just having completed some education. My college sociology class (jeez, that was 6 years ago now) touched on the phenomenon of credential inflation, wherein baccalaureate degrees become increasingly meaningless because everyone's got one.

    Really, the glut of colleges in the US makes attending one the duty of anyone who wants a decent job. Students go to college out of a perceived need for the result, so small wonder that most of them want to do as little as possible in their time there.

    In one sense it mimics the situation in east Asia where companies will hire any student who's gone through a good college; once you make it there, it behooves you to do just enough work to graduate, and spend the rest of the time unwinding (ok, partying) from the stress of having had to pass the entrance exams. Take the entrance exams out of the equation and you still pretty much have the same deal -- kids coming out of high school with more freedom but even less sense of purpose.

    From my college experience, it's apparent that students in liberal arts majors (not sciences or engineering -- class by themselves there) really have to try to fail, in order to fail. That doesn't mean self-sabotage so much as willful negligence of requirements. It's my humble opinion that failure to attend class with semi-regularity, to turn in homework at all (not necessarily on time), and to be in class on exam days really requires a conscious effort. More than likely its conscious reallocation of time and resources to such noble pursuits as binge drinking or playing Everquest.

    I think it could be time to nudge the bar of standards up, and get a handle on which students actually care enough to do the work. If there wasn't this giant push for everyone to complete college, the smaller number of college-educated people could actually make decent salaries. We've kind of lost the incentive -- now instead of going to college to get good jobs, we go to college to not get bad jobs. Hell, I'm going to grad school to get a good job. I often feel that I'm wasting my youth on it, but being as free of the machine as possible is a pretty strong motivator.

    My case for bringing apprenticeship back and giving it some respect is still fairly strong. However, overcoming the five-year itch culture is an entirely different matter which would fill volumes.

  8. cheating by Blittzed · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Having been a professor for 4 years, it still amazes me to the length that students will go to, and the time they will waste in trying to get out of having to do the work assigned to them!

    One case in particular comes to mind afew years back where we set them an on-line tutorial to go through and answer some questions at the end. The questions varied, so this particular group spent DAYS going through the exercise and screen dumping all possible answers to the question, so they could answer any question given as an assignment. If they had just done the task given, it would only have taken them a few hours! I see similar examples all the time of students spending more time trying to "beat" the system, rather than just "extracting the digit" and getting on with it.

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    1. Re:cheating by BenjyD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My favourite two were during my undergrad engineering degree

      - One girl got so carried away copying somebody else's problem sheet answers she copied the name off the top as well and handed it in with the other girl's name on it
      - For another problem sheet, several of the questions had been changed from the previous year's version. About 25% of the year still copied verbatim the answers from papers they got from people in the year above us, without even checking the questions.

      These people are probably running an oil refinery near you right now. Be afraid.

  9. Re:This is not the worst kind. by Slurpee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have also seen sites that advertise (for greater expense) to write papers individually for you

    I would bet that they don't really write individual papers. They possibly have a stash of papers ready to go, and just "individualise" them to some degree.

    Remember...what they are offering to do is ethically questionable anyway.

  10. Just do what we do... by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At my school (some of) the text books often times have an advertisement for turnitin.com on the backs of the books (composition class text books). This lets you know day one that the teachers are aware of this service - and makes you aware such a thing exists too.

    Problem is however I once was looking up something on the Windows 2000 architecture and noticed a site had the same word for word definition of "kernel" as my book. So I googled the exact phrase.

    Seems there were 100+ sites using the same exact definition. Well, by looking at the pages I noticed they all had the same author. Basically the page was on 100+ free hosts (and a few paid hosts).

    Well, I wondered who copied it first. Was the book the original or the website? After further investigation I found out our books are made in India. Likely it was the same person writing the book and decided to make a web page out of his work. Then I stumbled across someone who claimed to work for the company writing the books and he said the deadline for the books is 20 days!

    You must write a book on Cisco routers in 20 days too! Well, Sybex should sue the book writers because they not only stole text but diagrams right from their CCNA texts. Our Novell Netware book said that ARP was responsible for name-to-ip address resolution too!

    Extra mod points to the person who can guess which crappy school I'm stuck at...

    Hint: The text books are written by NIIT.

  11. erosion of quality by lutefish · · Score: 5, Interesting
    IANAL, but I am a university professor of English. Admittedly, I have the advantage of teaching thousand year old books at a world-class university, which definitely narrows the options for 'buy em' papers to be submitted, but beyond that, avoiding/catching the 'purchased paper' all comes down to proper teaching. First, one can always assign particular paper topics: what sort of cow-town university assigns a paper, even for Freshman intro to composition, on 'Gatsby' without providing further guidance - themes and topics discussed, already, in class, issues examined and developed throughout the class, etc. This in itself gets rid of the ex nihilo aspect of purchased papers: 'gatsby as hero', 'gatsby as anti-hero' don't hack it when you've been discussing 'daisy as hero' or 'novels of social disfunction', for example.

    If you do choose to give students freedom in choosing paper topics, which I prefer, at least know your students and their work. Although it can be more problematic in large survey/lecture classes, somebody should know them and their abilities - you, TA, GSI, somebody. Again, the relevance of the paper to at least some of the ideas discussed in class is an obvious tip-off, as is a comparison to the students' interests exhibited in previously submitted work. It's not hard to spot a purchased paper, at all, if the professor/teacher is doing their job of teaching properly. 'Book reports' and cliffs' notes at the university level? Pah.

    All of which brings me to the point of my rant - this kind of stuff only happens at institutions that employ crap teachers. Not necessarily lousy universities, but ones that permit shoddy, sub-standard teachers who should be teaching elementary-school english to pose and parade as 'professors'. Even with a 4/4 brutal teaching load at a large public institution, this kind of thing is simply a non-issue for teachers that actually work at it, rather than treating academia as if it were some sort of sinecure. It's an ivory tower only if you let it be, and if purchased essays are proliferating throughout academia, it reflects far worse on the professors who are too thick and lazy to preclude such submissions (or identify them, without google or a paid service, on the strength of their knowledge of the student and his/her work), and the institutions employing them, than students, of whom there will always be a few willing to try and cheat their way around substandard interest, intellect, or discipline. /rant.

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  12. Drafts and Oral Examinations by Potor · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I worked at a Belgian University and our program used to catch many cheaters (although some no doubt went undetected). Our method was simple: students had to hand in drafts as the semester wore on, and many professors would make an oral examination of the paper part of its evaluation. You cannot speak convincingly of something that you did not write.

    One professor had an even more radical method: he would only allow students to write about books that had just appeared, and the students had to structure their essays around specific questions that the professor posed. Impossible to get around this, unless you hire someone to write it to spec.

    cheers, potor

  13. Re:I write term papers for people by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do your papers come with a disclaimer "for research only"? If so, are you willing to make them available to professors in a database that can be searched to catch students who are cheating by using them?

  14. Re:Easy 90% fix. by cammoblammo · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think anyone that thinks they'll get away with a paper they found through Google deserves to fail. Come on, if you're that stupid I can't see how you deserve to actually graduate.

    When I was at College we discovered a pretty simple system. Now the staff weren't the brightest --- in fact, most of the students in my year already had degrees, whereas some of the staff hadn't even finished High School. Great teachers, bad academics.

    Anyway, we'd be given a book to read, prescribed by the syllabus. If the teacher was new on staff, chances were they hadn't read it. If they had been there longer and had read it, it would have been so long ago it didn't matter.

    We came up with a guaranteed system to pass those book reviews.

    1. Read the introduction, and copy out a good little anecdote or quote.
    2. Read the last chapter, finding another quote to use.
    3. Read the blurb on the back, mainly to find out what the book was about.
    4. If you were gunning for top marks, read the write up about the author. Make sure you relate something of his or her experience in the essay.
    5. Write the essay, making sure you explain both quotes and above all, agree with everything. If you disagree, the staff member may actually have to read it themselves in order to judge your argument.
    6. Aim for the lower word limit. If you need to use the whole thing, well, see the previous point.
    7. If you're having trouble with the essay, come up with a reason for handing the thing in late, and get an extension. People who do this will never be failed, beacause the staff are so happy you got the thing done.

    The problem those of us with degrees had was that we simply couldn't do that. We were trained to go in boots and all, and none of those essays were hard. But funnily enough, the system worked better than hard work and thinking.

    Great staff, though. In that situation, being around people with real life and trade experience was a worth a lot more than reading a book none of them clearly cared about.

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  15. not violate the copyrights on their students' work by OolonColluphid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is another aspect to that, of course. One of my professors, Scott Nicholson, discussed the problem on CNN. I thought there was something about it on the website, but I couldn't find it in a quick look this morning. Anyway, he did a small piece discussing how little of a phrase one actually needed to find matches on the web. Four or five words is often enough.

    He took a poll in one of my classes about turnitin.com and other sites. The students were overwhelmingly against it. Not because we're cheaters, but because we agree with the McGill student who fought the system. Many of us, oddly enough, consider turning in papers to a service who will keep it on file a copyright violation.

    Dr. Nicholson's solution, and that of many others in our school is to use stepped assignments. If there is a large paper due at some point in the semester, we have to submit paper proposals by a given date. For some, we need to have outlines or a short presentation for the class at a later date. Most professors will allow students to submit papers for critique in advance of the due date. All of this is to not only make it more difficult for someone to buy or obtain a paper from somewhere, but also to help the students plan and work on the assignment over the semester rather than putting it off until the last minute.

    And then, if necessary, there's always the Google trick.

  16. I submitted a paper I wrote to a site... by Om242 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Back in 1996, I had to do a paper for a weed-out course Political Science on gun control.

    Being the good student, I attacked this paper with vigor, and spent about a week on it, gathering statistics, charts and whatnot. I scored an 'A' since it was overkill for a Freshman/Sophomore course.

    Well, I was a C.S. major and the web was just starting to hit full stride, and I heard this commentator talking about a web site called 'School Sucks' (www.schoolsucks.com) which gathered research papers for people to download.

    "What a novel idea!", I thought.

    So I submitted my Gun Control paper to it, along with my email in case anyone had any problems with it. HEY! I spent a lot of time on this paper! I didn't want it to go to waste! tee hee.

    For over 5 years later, about once every week, I got an email from someone who used it, thanking me, and some even adding to it, much like an open source project.

    All told, I guess my little research paper led to over 200 A's, and made a lot of people happy. :)

    Was good fun. :)

    ++Om

  17. Re:The teachers should... by loggerhead · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I would say yes. And for the record IAAHSET (I am a high school English teacher).

    BUT, with 150+ students it is difficult, at best. You don't seem to understand the amount of time it takes just to have that that many students writing papers at the same time, the amount of time it takes just to run a simple Google search on suspicious phrases in papers, the amount of time it takes to document the source(s) of plagiarized papers, nor the amount of time it takes to then conference with parents.

    Parents, incidentally, who come in one of three basic varieties when their child is accused of cheating:
    1-"Not my son/daughter, I don't care what you found."
    2-"Well, son/daughter, you screwed up...just like always."
    and the rare, but so prized
    3-"I don't see what the big deal is, everyone does it to some degree...can't you reward his/her resourcefulness...or were you just trying to trap my kid? You know, I have a lawyer on speed dial..."

    Needless to say, that if I dedicate as much time as I should to trying to catch just the most blatant instances of plagiarism, I would have little time to actually finish reading essays, let alone grade them, write lesson plans, attend special education meetings that take no small amount of time, attend school functions/meetings/professional development (unpaid continuing education required by district, state and increasingly, the NCLB act), prepare students for the multitude of standardized tests (not to mention benchmarks and other assessments) designed indeed to Leave No Child Untested a few days of the year, or spend one of the 10-12 hours each day in some way dedicated to teaching (most often 6 but increasingly 7 days a week during the school year), watch politicians say that I don't do enough with the resources I have while watching my pay, retirement, and benefits dwindle compared to other professionals, let alone spend time with my own family.

    Yes, "kids are getting more sly about things," as you so succinctly put it. And keeping up with them is the point behind sites like turnitin.com. However, individual teachers, schools or districts must pay for the service.

    Currently in Texas, the State Attorney General is arguing against a case brought by an alliance of school districts which challenges state education funding is inadequate due to a seemingly unending and unfunded bevy of state mandates to increase teacher and district accountability and thereby the current property tax model for funding education constitutes what is essentially a state income tax, which is unconstitutional in Texas. His argument yesterday was that districts don't make good use of the funds that they have, choosing instead to spend them on activities and curricula that are not mandated by the state, things like fine arts programs and sports.

    In the current financial climate of education, it is sometimes difficult to have books for every student, pay teachers competitive salaries, or especially to find the $3,000-5,000 to subscribe to a service like turnitin.com. I certainly can't afford to pay for an individual subscription, nor can most public schools or districts.

    I would love to "keep up" with all those "sly" students, but I would love it more if parents stopped downloading MP3's and saying it does no harm, it's just music, or sneaking drinks and snacks into theatres, or fibbing on their taxes, or any of a million ways and increasing multitude are teaching poor character to their children.

    Getting caught cheating should be, after all, a lesson about morals.

    Yet, I see every day students that see their parents and other adults willing to sacrifice every value in efforts to get their presumed "just desserts." Many of my students (high school sophomores and seniors) think that the only bad cheating happens when someone gets caught. The ideals of honor and integrity are becoming, if not rare, then so abstract (as a result of an increasingly diverse number of bad models read Enron, NY Times, "doping" athletes, etc.) as to be