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4-inch Telescope Finds New Planet

serutan writes "After a backyard astronomy size telescope first tracked the periodic dimming of a star 500 light-years away, the Keck I telescope in Hawaii later confirmed that a Jupiter-size planet orbits the star. A press release from Harvard gives details. This is the first result of the Trans-Atlantic Exoplanet Survey, a project using small telescopes and cheap equipment to search for extrasolar planets. "

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  1. Smaller Planets? by Tango42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will this method help find smaller planets? Jovian sized are all well and good, but Terrestrial would be more interesting.

    1. Re:Smaller Planets? by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Will this method help find smaller planets?

      I doubt it. Terrestrial planets wouldn't block enough of a star's light to make a noticable difference. Consider that the Earth is about 8,000 miles in diameter and Sol about 865,000. That's roughly 108 times the diameter and the area (what's important here) is proportional to the square of the diameter making Sol's area on the order of 11664 times that of the Earth. Even with Jovian planets, the area covered is small, but apparently not too small.

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    2. Re:Smaller Planets? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is differences in scale like this that makes SETI practically impossible.

      Even if we are belting out radio waves using every milliamp of power we possess, they are simply drowned out by the enormous radio source we orbit.

      Thats why in the larger scheme of things, only something as large as a supernova could be used to contact other star systems, and even then, we could only ping them, then get 100% packet loss.

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    3. Re:Smaller Planets? by Xilman · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Secondly, striping isn't Jupiter's style - it prefers spots, especially great red ones.

      Have you ever actually looked at Jupiter with your own eyes, suitably assisted with a telescope? Even a 10cm telescope is sufficient to see plenty of detail.

      I can assure you it is most certainly striped (or "zoned" and "belted" as the professionals call it). The spots are much harder to see. Only the GRS is invariably present and even that can be difficult to see at times when its colour fades.

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    4. Re:Smaller Planets? by dmaxwell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What about terrestrial sized moons in orbit about such a planet? A jovian size body at Mars distance from Sunlike star may well be able to host habitable bodies. I put the hypothetical jovian body at Mars distance because it will reflect a significant amount of energy onto it's moons. There also extra tidal heating to think of.

  2. Detected dimming? by dolphin558 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it hard to believe that the dimming was detected with such a small resolution. I'd have to look into this. If it were possible to detect exoplanets with backyard telescopes then shouldn't have they been discovered 2 decades ago? We knew that dimming was indicative of an exoplanet back then.

  3. Or.. by essreenim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You could read this link to a more intersting story I tried to submit that was rejected. (Flamebait modding unnecessary - just mentioning)
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    1. Re:Or.. by mclearn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So I wonder how long it will be before each story has a "other cool stories that got rejected" thread in it? It might be the story peer-moderation that Slashdot has been sorely lacking since the beginning. Moderators can use their mod points to inc/dec the score for interesting -- and certainly geek-newsworthy stories like this one.

  4. Very close by Tango42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The newfound planet is a Jupiter-sized gas giant orbiting a star located about 500 light-years from the Earth in the constellation Lyra. This world circles its star every 3.03 days at a distance of only 4 million miles, much closer and faster than the planet Mercury in our solar system, giving it a temperature of around 1500 degrees F. That's very close... wouldn't the Hydrogen be captured by the star? A jupiter sized rocky planet sounds unlikely. Unless it's a very small star, I guess...

    1. Re:Very close by cephyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Anything that size is a gas giant. I mean i guess a rocky planet would be possible, but i somehow doubt it as well. It just seems that something bad would happen...it would probably have to be some sort of weird molten ball of magma....and it would be gathering all kinds of gas around it too due to its massive gravity, so I guess it would still be a gas giant. This is what i get for thinking as I type.

      The hydrogen would only be captured by the star if the gravity of the planet was too weak to hold the hydrogen, or the gravity at the planet's "surface" or whatnot was weaker than the gravity exerted at that surface by the star. Which is rather unlikely...sure its real close to the star but its a real big planet too.

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    2. Re:Very close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It seems reasonable to suppose that if the orbit is stable then system would reach a point of equilibrium wherby the gravity of the planet was just strong enough to balance the gravity of the star at the furthest extent of the planet's atmosphere. If the star was stealing gas from the planet's upper atmosphere then the mass of the planet would be declining relative to the orbital velocity. If this were to continue then the planet would eventually begin to move outwards from the star until the aforementioned point of equilibrium was reached. I have not done a calculation to back up this scenario but perhaps someone else could either confirm this or expain why I am wrong...

  5. Re:Not the telescope by BarryNorton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And, in fact, it's misleading to put it down to one telescope - yes one first saw it, but "the team at the CfA used a network of small telescopes" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/25/planet_fou nd/

  6. Some NASA dude by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I accompanied my Dad to the Stellafane the weekend before last where some NASA dude talked about how amateur astronomers with small telescopes 6-12 inches might collect useful data on planets partially eclipsing ( transiting ) stars by measuring and graphing the brightness of the star using a CCD.

    I am not really into astronomy, but I wonder if one of those guys found it..

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  7. Re:Amateur Astronomy by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is actually a group of PhD's running some advanced data collection and aggregation software on a beowulf cluster of small telescopes.

    This isnt, as the slashdot blurb suggests, some weekend warrior on his back porch who discovered a new planet.

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  8. Hmmm by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The newfound planet is a Jupiter-sized gas giant orbiting a star located about 500 light-years from the Earth in the constellation Lyra. This world circles its star every 3.03 days at a distance of only 4 million miles, much closer and faster than the planet Mercury in our solar system.

    Again?

    Am I the only one beginning to feel a little skepticism about some of these claims? They keep finding giant planets closer to stars than Mercury, which seems to fly in the face of many previously established theories of planetary system formation.

    Yeah, maybe this is new info that modifies the older theories, and maybe this is the way things are but something just seems wrong here. They keep finding this situation of Jupiter sized (or larger) worlds hugging their parent stars. Could there be some other mechanism at work?

    One other idea is that this is simply the sitation we are able to detect with current methods (dimming and wobble), but, geez, there's so many of them like this. My Spidey-sense has begun to tingle.

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    1. Re:Hmmm by JackCroww · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well, you've got one of two choices to make here.

      Either the earlier theories of planetary formation, based entirely on what we observed here in the Solar system, are wrong...

      -or-

      They're right, and scores of astrophycsicists around the world who confirm the findings of their colleagues are all doing the planetary mass and orbital radius calculations wrong in the same way.

      I know what I'm going with.

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  9. Re:Amateur Astronomy by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    granted, but most scopes make it easy to take multiple pics (most amateur astronomy pics on the web are multiple stacked pics). All you really need, then, is the software. I'm sure this research is good enough to either let the code out, or some bored astronomer coders will come up with something similar.

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  10. I am more intrigued by the speed... by Zaphrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am more intrigued by the speed of the planet. The Earth moves around the sun at about 66,000 miles per hour where this planet must move at almost 800,000 miles per hour.

    1. Re:I am more intrigued by the speed... by pclminion · · Score: 2, Interesting
      From the radius and period of the planet's orbit you can calculate the star's mass: M = 4*Pi^2*R^3/(G*T^2)

      Where R is orbital radius, G is gravitational constant, T is orbital period.

      Plugging into Google gives a mass for the star of 2.3*10^30 kilograms. Almost exactly equal to our sun's mass.

      (Offtopic note -- I love Google calculator. It normalizes all units to SI automagically!)

  11. A ground based telescope... by Kaldaien · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most interesting of all is that this new planet discovered optically was done by a ground based telescope. With the distortion from our atmosphere I'd have thought ground based optical exploration to be impractical. Most planets discovered outside of our solar system have been done with Spectroscopy and Interferometry. Hubble's had only limited success finding a planet optically. To find a planet with such a relatively inexpensive ground based optical telescope must be a major blow to NASA's ego ;)

  12. Re:Different alternative to existing telescopes. by Shigeru · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The advantage to small telescopes is the ability to stare at a large section of the sky at once (in the case of the 10-cm telescopes used for this project, each exposure covers 6 degrees of sky). Compare this to the 10-meter Keck telescopes, whose imaging systems have fields of view of about an arcminute (1/60th of a degree). For transit searches, you want to keep staring at a star until you get lucky with a planet passing in front of the star, then confirm that as the transit happens again and again. So your best bet for optimizing your transit search is to look at a lot of stars at once, meaning a big field of view, which you get most easily from small telescopes.

    It's not impossible to get large fields of view with large telescopes, but it takes a lot more effort. Check out the plans for building the 8.4 meter LSST for details.

  13. Question, by chadjg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once this new software package is installed and the scope hooked up, how much effort do these searches take, and how smart do the searchers have to be?

    I am SO guessing on this, but there can't be that many super smart astronomer types out there and it may be a waste to have them on less than awesome machines. Can a non-moron, non-specialist handle the datagathering and analysis with this package? I'm mostly just curious about this.

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