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FreeBSD 5.3 Beta1
Tezkah writes "From the announcement: 'The FreeBSD Release Engineering Team is proud to announce the availability of FreeBSD 5.3-BETA1. This is the first BETA of the 5.3 release cycle. It is intended for early adopters and those wishing to help find and/or fix bugs. The 5.3 release cycle will continue with weekly BETA builds while bugs are being fixed and features finalized. The schedule is at www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/schedule.html . Be sure to check the "Known issues" below, there are known problems still being worked on at this time.' New features include fully threaded and multi-processor safe network stack, X.org instead of XFree86, many ACPI enhancements, GCC updated to 3.4.2, gdb updated to 6.1.1, binutils updated, and much more. Expect 5.3 to be released in full on October 3rd, if everything goes according to schedule!"
Oh where, oh where is my BSD?
I just loaded Beta 5.3
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see the OS when I leave this world.
I'd started to load it in my roommate's Dell,
the hard drive was taking it pretty well.
During the load, it crashed the heads,
the distro was stalled, *BSD was dead.
I couldn't stop, so I yanked the cord.
I'll never forget, the sound , oh Lord--
the screamin' drives, the speaker's blast,
the painful scream that I-- heard last.
Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
That load took it away from me.
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.
When I woke up, the sparks were pourin down.
There were admins standin all around.
Some burned-out chips had fallen on the tiles,
but somehow I found my disc of files.
I lifted the CD, the devil winked and said,
"Load me darlin just a little while."
I held it close, I kissed the label--our last kiss.
I found the love that i knew i had missed
well now it's gone, even though I loaded it right
I lost my *BSD and the Dell-- that night.
Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
I tried to load it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.
When I next went to Slashdot, where so many had trolled.
Any so many times "BSD's Dead!" was told.
Tears fallin' on the keyboard, I checked "Anonymous"
and I eulogized *BSD, in memory, of us....
When I logged on next, my post was modded down.
In my heartbreak and sorrow, treated like a clown....
No matter what the mods do, it's in my heart and head
We'll always know "*BSD IS DEAD!"
Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
I tried to load it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.
For those of you running 5.2.1 and planning on doing a source upgrade, make sure you check the /usr/src/etc/group and /usr/src/etc/master.passwd files and add the new groups and users into your own, otherwise your buildworld will fail about half way through.
As well, you can't build a new kernel until the userland is upgraded, the "config" program and kernel options have been upgraded.
Otherwise, the upgrade went well, and it does seem faster than the previous releases.
Success is as dangerous as failure, hope as hollow as fear.
# expect -v
expect version 5.38.0
That's funny, I'm already up to 5.38! Damn consequences of time travel.
--TheOrangeSquid Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive
source http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mergemas
Music is everybody's possession.
It's only publishers who think that people own it.
Fuck Beta
~John Lenno
Watch out for our brand new Linux distro: LinSux! (by FreeBSDrules productions)
:-D
;)
Our brand new distro is based on every existing Linux distribution. Indeed, as the name suggests, it's based on the very common denominator of all of them.
Since we felt than the other Linux OSs weren't patchworked enough, we decided to assemble an OS out of pieces coming from every possible Linux distribution. Why? Well, cos we totally *love* chaos & anarchy. To tell you the truth, it's because in a chaotic environment our hacking lameness, poor planning skills & shallow academic computer-science background (if any...) have a fat chance of getting unnoticed. And the best part is, we're totally proud of it!
We modified the Linux IP stack, and we managed to make it up to 2.5% slower than the original! And this is, indeed, an amazing result: until the last minute, we weren't very confident this was actually possible. Let me take the chance to thank all the people involved in this long and costly process: guys, that would have been impossible without your efforts, thank you so much. There isn't really room enough for all your names, but I wanna let you know that your sacrifices proved the point: even the most hopeless task is within reach when you have faith. There'll always be a place in my heart for all of you.
Last but not least: we felt that around Linux there wasn't enough political crap. The fact concerned us a lot, and we decided to take action: now, our license requires you to declare explicitly that you're a loser, and that you hate the following:
1) proprietary software;
2) people who have ideas and use them to get rich;
3) Bill Gates.
Sorry Linux pals, declaring it implicitly is no longer enough.
See ya at the next release!
The LinSux developers team
Oh, btw... FreeBSD forever.
is the binary upgrade any better?
why does the handbook tell you to run mergemaster -p after buildworld? I thought mergemaster was supposed to prepare your system for installworld, and that buildworld was just for compiling the system (not installing it).
I used to be intimidated by installing freebsd by source, but after having gone through the buildworld process, I find it's really easy to keep freebsd updated. Just cvsup one server and rsync the rest. While I've always done installs and upgrades by CD, I think I'll be doing 5.3 from source. Then again if I'm going to have issues, maybe I'll stick to CD's anyway.
Does anybody know if there's already a supported hardware list available for FreeBSD 5.3? I'd be happy to switch to FreeBSD 5.3 as soon as my Conceptronic 54g Wireless PCI Card is supported :)
Based on their todo list, it looks like there's still a lot that needs to be done before 5.3 is even close to out-the-door.
// Agent Green (Ian / IU7 / KB1JQO)
// IEEE 802.3: All 10base Are Belong To Us
You should only need to run mergemaster -p before the installworld stage (despite the description of the option in mergemaster). Doing a buildworld should not require any special users or groups.
/usr/src/UPDATING) is:
The official procedure (from
make buildworld
make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE
make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE
mergemaster -p
make installworld
mergemaster
I wish that the installer was a little bit better. Just about every Linux distro that I installed found my video card and set up X perfectly. For some reason FreeBSD never could seem to automatically configure my video card corectly. It was a while ago and I cannot even remember what kind of card that it was but I do remember at the time having a total nightmare trying to get it installed. Going to FreeBSD newsgroups and IRC channels to get help but I never did get it to work right.
$man mergemaster #you nitwit
A few weeks ago I upgraded my 5.2.1 laptop to 5-CURRENT, and the build stopped with a message about mergemaster right at the very beginning. No need to wait around an hour to discover your mistake...
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
I'm on a slow connection, so I'll give this beta a try sometime this weekend, but I have tried 5.2 current and had some problems trying to do a truly minimal install. (Note: I've been mostly a Debian user).
Are there any tricks to installing just the very basics? I have two needs for two seperate machines, actually. I would like one such install to have just enough to serve as my gateway, dns, and web server (but not mail). I would like another very simple install to run just X and Mozilla-Browser (the browser-only, GTK1 version).
Here's the problem: every time I try to do a custom minimal installation, I still end up with about 170+ MB installed. Yet when I google for suggestions, I keep reading stories about folks managing to get X, Mozilla, and maybe AbiWord all into their tight 100 MB install.
So, what's the trick?! I'm baffled and would like to learn!
Good News Everyone!
Mike Smith now works for Apple, whose OS is based on BSD.
Check it out: www.lemis.com/~grog/msmr.html
and at: daemonnews, under "BSD at Apple"
He didn't like the direction that v5 was taking so he quit and starting writing BSD code for Apple.
Good News Everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
There are currently 307 FreeBSD developers as of the 2004 core team election.
You can read more about FreeBSD here
If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or DragonflyBSD
Enjoy!
To scratch that itch, I've written a replacement that works on full directories, and use so-called 3-way merges. This means that it retains a copy of the unmodified /etc from the install point, and use that to automate the entire prosses. The replacement is available from /usr/ports/sysutils/etcmerge
In case you did not take a backup of /etc before the installer got to do any mods (and who does?), I've made tarballs of the reference etc directories for a series of releases available from http://people.freebsd.org/~eivind/etc/.
Feel free to mail me with any questions about it etc.
Eivind.
Doubting the existence of evolution is like doubting the existence of China: It just shows that you're uninformed.
> I thought mergemaster was supposed to prepare your system for installworld, and that buildworld was just for compiling the system (not installing it).
/etc directory mostly.
/etc directory (ie: make.conf, and in this case, the groups and password files)
mergemaster is for upgrading your
There are cases where make buildworld depends on what is in your
So no, it is not to prepare your system for an install, it is to upgrade your configuration for the new version.
Hmm, looks like I'll have to skip beta 1 for my smp machine.
Built and installed it earlier this week, and it crashes under heavy load.
The problem is documented and should be fixed in the next beta, so guess I'll have to wait for a bit there.
Just thought I should post this in case others want to try.. be sure to build yourself a non-smp kernel just in case..
Except for this specific issue, it seems to work quite nicely.
BSD has probably started to find its nitch. As Linux grows in popularity, so will the ammounts of refugees burned by linux who flee to the BSD banners.
Mike Smith's employment at Apple was terminated in May after a hallway fistfight with another developer, apparently over coding style (spaces vs. tabs).
Personally, I never install X during the initial install. Typically, I install everything but X, then cvsup the src and ports trees, and then build world. I then install X from the ports tree.
(S(SKK)(SKK))(S(SKK)(SKK))
I tried to use FreeBSD 4.3 and actually had it running on a single proc box, but I couldn't get X to run. I asked a question about this on the FreeBSD mailing list, and posted the error I was getting, but I got a whole bunch of flames about what a fucking idiot I am and why don't I just go use NetBSD if I want something simple. So I tried NetBSD, but I couldn't get through the install process. After the second CD, it kept getting stuck on a "Insert Next Floppy" message, even though I was installing from CDs. I asked about this on the NetBSD list, twice, but no one ever answered. Instead, they kept talking amongst themselves about whether to support some ARM chip or something. I guess I could try OpenBSD, but I heard it's only for servers anyway.
my own prescient observation:
Is this going to be the long awaited 5-STABLE?
yes. RTFA
They don't *think* it's dying. Everybody knows FreeBSD is alive & *very* well (1 2 3 4 ...). They just want to find somebody who takes them seriously, and that gets pissed of at them.
/.BSD ? Well, just make fun of their lameness, or just ignore them. Or, better, just post in reply a series of links (like that guy did in some posts above) showing how "dying" BSD is. :-D
Dude... I don't know if you're a real FreeBSD user, but there's really nothing to be pissed off about...
Linux trolls are infesting
That only happened after Stallman put tabs under the GPL license, forcing every tab-using programmer to disclose the source code of his own software.
but at least Linux is alive. *BSD is dead. Only amateur hobby hackers are keeping it's corpse from fully rotting.
Sun's Solaris is also bleeding customers because of pricing, and as luck would have it, FreeBSD is pretty much the only real distro that can run on older Sparc boxes (debian and gentoo can do it but it's not as smooth as FreeBSD). And when you've invested 10K$+ on some servers, you're quite inclined to keep the machines and drop the OS that you're paying extra for.
So a lot of people are switching to alternatives and redhat's gaffe vis-a-vis pricing has given FreeBSD a good amount of people headed their way.
If you're switching over, check out the FreeBSD Wiki. It's kind of sparse but could use some fleshing out.
I don't like very much seeing my witty post (the joke about new linux distro) modded down, while any kind of crap, as long as it's about bsd's "death", is modded up - in other articles as well.
I dropped by just few days ago, and I'm already saying: Bye Bye, moronic slashdot moderators - and for good.
That only happened after Stallman put tabs under the GPL license, forcing every tab-using programmer to disclose the source code of his own software.
My tabs are proprietary, damnit!
One thing that I think BSD users forget is that the more Linux users there are, the more BSD-compatible software gets used/written/tested. An increase in Linux helps Free UNIX, and BSD can't help but benefit from that.
Out of curiosity, has anyone tried those GNU-ized BSD's coming out of Debian?
Engineering and the Ultimate
The trolls are probably posted by, what, 5 people who have no life...