European DRM News
burgburgburg writes "Two new fronts opening in the battles over digital rights management. First: news.com is reporting how French authorities are investigating EMI France and music retailer Fnac over anticopying technology included on CDs that allegedly renders them unplayable on some systems. The investigation began after the Bureau of Competition's antifraud unit (DDCCRF) received complaints from a consumer group known as UFC-Que Choisir. Second: BusinessWeek reports that the EC is investigating Microsoft to make sure that they don't illegally dominate the field of digital rights management. Regulators have told Microsoft and its partner Time Warner that they are looking into their plan to acquire the company ContentGuard, which makes DRM software because of concerns that it will create or strengthen Microsoft dominance of the field."
For having the balls to stand up to the industry bigwigs.
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Article 2 is interesting....Here's a quote -
"Regulators put Microsoft and partner Time Warner on notice that it intends to investigate their plans to jointly acquire Bethesda (Md.)-based ContentGuard, which makes digital-rights-management (DRM) software to prevent music and movie piracy.
Call me crazy, but wouldn't each content company want their own DRM software? I mean, if you've got one lock, and a whole hell of a lot of people trying to open it, once it is open, you're screwed. Furthermore, content companies wouldn't want to pay a MS tax on each piece of content that is protected with MS-DRM. They'd be better off with their own DRM scheme......A monopoly in the DRM arena seems stupid at best - but am I wrong?
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When is someone going to investigate region coding? its anti-competative and has absolutely nothing to do with copy protection.
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They will threaten to investigate, and the companies will pony up with protection money.. then all will be back to normal in the pursuit in the reduction of the citizens freedoms..
Its the way of the government...
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If they ever perfect DRM people will just make an analog copy and take the one time (small) quality hit. I'm not even going to talk about bit-for-bit copys that the real pirates use. It's really just a way to lock in the consumer.
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...and if corporations would sell things for their real value people wouldn't feel compelled to steal because we would have pretty much everything we could ever want...
Any CD that's copy protected shouldn't be called a CD. Simple enough...
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this wouldn't be around for very long. I doubt that's how it will work out, though. :-(
..."Contraband" by Velvet Revolver, a band newly formed by ex-members of Guns N' Roses and the former frontman of the Stone Temple Pilots, became a best seller in June despite heavy copy protection and a warning on the packaging.
(above excerpt from the USA today article.)
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How about this?
Set the copyright system back to the default 14+14 years. If the record companies decide to use DRM on their stuff, make it illegal for them to apply for the 2nd 14 years. That way people can make backups of their stuff unhindered by sh*tty copy protection, and they get to make a little more money.
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Let them keep their Life+70 terms and DRM. In turn file sharing must be legalized and royalty-free sampling and public performance made legal for everyone who buys a CD.
Why yes I am paranoid! Thanks for asking!
I ripped a copy to my hard drive before it rendered itself unplayable.
I don't have time to search, but the consumer union UFC/Que Choisir previously won against record companies selling copyprotected CDs...
I guess this is some followup to this judgment
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I recently bought a CD from Fnac - "Face A/Face B" by Axelle Red. It says right on it that it incorporates copy-protection technology, though it also carries the official CD logo.
The results:
Linux: plays.
Windows: loads their CD player without asking, crashes system.
Car CD player: plays.
Portable Discman-style CD player: doesn't play. Each track plays about 9 seconds in then gets stuck in a loop skipping back a couple of seconds.
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It would need to be a massively coordinated effort to get a huge band's copy protected CD boycotted. You'd need mass targeted media, such as MTV or P. Diddy, to lead the charge. I figured it would be bad for them to lead the fight, and I doubt most people would care.
Let Microsoft get the monopoly! If MS is controlling DRM technology, then it's sure to be completely insecure and easily hacked.
Still, I'm glad I've hung onto all my old LP's.
I figure by 2030 or so my 6-digit UID will be something to brag about.
- We will never see audiophiles agreeing to replace their multi-thousand dollar speakers.
- There's no such thing as a digital speaker. They are, by their very nature, an analog device. An analog waveform causes the cone to move. Therefore, at the point where the signal enters the speaker's voice coil, it must, by necessity, be an analog signal. It takes a dollar's worth of hardware to adapt an 8 ohm impedance speaker signal into a line level input.
If you can change the laws of physics to make a digital speaker possible, you -still- haven't solved the problem. Buy a good microphone, put it in front of a good (hypothetical) digital speaker. Record. What? You've made microphones illegal somehow? Well, I guess the recording industry won't be making any more recordings, either....The only way it would be possible to remove the analog hole would be to remove the human being from the mix---hardwire it into your brain somehow. I know I won't be the first to sign up if they try that.... Maybe it's just me....
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I may be missing something here, but is there anything new on the evil Microsoft master plan known as 'Palladium'? Is this ultimately what's under investigation?
Seems to me that Palladium is the uber-DRM trump card that Microsoft has up its sleeve - just far enough off that it doesn't warrant "investigation" (yet), but still close enough that it makes me worry for the future of personal computing.
Quit rationalizing theft and just accept the fact that in a free-market system the price of something is set by the level of demand for that thing.
I think that was in relation to supply if I'm not mistaken...
What is the fair value when the supply is for all practical purpose instantaneous and infintely repeatable?
So how big a problem is this at this moment? On most supposedly-DRM'd albums the protection doesn't work most of the time; most of the people who want to play the CD are able to do so. Not to be a tinfoil-hat theorist, but why should the government step in now unless it's to set a precedent of some sort? i.e. "Software DRM is obviously not working, so we need hardwired anti-copying chips mandatory in all systems by 2010..."
I think that was in relation to supply if I'm not mistaken... What is the fair value when the supply is for all practical purpose instantaneous and infintely repeatable?
Only problem with that is...people still need to get paid. What you pay for a CD or Movie, doesn't just go to the artists. There are millions of workers living off of the money. Studio techs, salesmen, marketers(shudder), attorneys, IT workers, secretaries/clerks, warehouse workers, PHBs, etc... etc... etc...
If a company decides to sell something for a low price or starts losing tons of money to piracy, that lost revenue needs to be made up somewhere. It's not going to be the president of the company or the artist taking the paycut or losing their job. It's going to be Joe and his buddies, who drive forklifts and barely make enough to stay above the poverty line.
W.E.P.Please, oh please, I wish a US legislator would say this someday:
we do not permit a system which provides greater protection than the intellectual property rights themselves
followed by, "... and we've given you enough protection. In fact, we're thinking of repealing some if you don't go out and do what you said you would!"
Does anyone remember the legislative reason for the DMCA? The reason was to encourage copyright holders to increase the availability of music and video online to accelerate the transition to broadband lines. What happened? The entertainment companies got their law, and then started hunting down copyright infringers on websites, while meanwhile Napster arose, and then decentralized P2P, and then, yes, broadband adoption did begin to accelerate - the predicted effects did occur, but not because the media companies advantaged themselves of the protection the new law offered, but conversely, because citizens saw fit to break the law to achieve the ends the media companies promised in hearings publically and in closed sessions supposedly that they would implement.
With the same tongue-embedded-firmly-in-cheek tone one asks "How many mice does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" I ask, "How many times can the media industry lie to a Congresscritter before Congress screams, 'NO!'?"
I say to the hell with the lot of them! Nuke 'em all; and let god sort them out.
Copy-protected audio CDs are much more present in Europe mostly because it is made of small, insulated markets where people are culturally much less litigious, and where the legal system often does not offer the possibility of class-action lawsuits.
Imagine launching a copy-protected CD on the US market and ending up with a 1 or 2 million people demanding damages.
This just shows how judicially insecure media companies feel on that subject.
Ok. I've read your entire post and here is what I have to say in response: I am not sure, if you have never done assembly language programming, system's programming, and worked on trying to implement security measures before that I can explain to you why DRM will never work no matter how hard they try to make it work.
I am not trying to talk down to you. This is not to say I am better than you or greater than you or god-like in my knowledge. Nor am I trying to make you mad/glad/happy/sad or anything else. I'm just trying to say that DRM will never work. Oh - it may work for a while. Maybe a few months - but then there will come workarounds and such at the least. And I've read up on DRM also and find it to be an interesting twist on older technology. But I will stand by my saying it won't keep the hackers out. I do not care how much they tout it to be impregnable, super collossus, made of Kryptonite, or whatever - it won't do it.
Now, by your very post you show that you do not get how a computer basically works. Sort of like how I understand how a car works but if my car breaks down I'd probably have to call a tow truck because I really don't want to actually DO the work (if you know what I mean) and probably do not have the right tools anyway. So I have some knowledge of cars (enough to be dangerous) but not a deep down knowledge of cars like a mechanic has.
Having said that, let me lay out some ground rules to go by and then look back at what you posted. You will (hopefully) see what I mean.
1. All computers run machine language. Zeros and ones.
2. All computers perform basically the same operations.
3. All compilers reduce instructions given to them to machine language eventually (either directly or through a linker or whatever).
4. On machines which have multitasking abilities, the CPU could care less what is going on. It is told to do X, then Y, then Z. It just executes the instructions given to it. (ie: It does not think per se and only does what it is told to do. Hardwired or otherwise.) If two programs are running it is the OS and not the CPU which makes the decisions on who gets to run when.
5. In order for there to be any semblance of normallacy between computers - all programs execute the same code. That is to say that the reason a JPEG image doesn't execute a program is only because as a program it contains meaningless garbage. Real programs, in order for them to run on your computer, must contain similar code which the CPU can recognize and execute.
5a. Thus, and therefore, you are doomed. Because you can not run an encrypted program unless the CPU recognizes this blob of meaningless garbage to actually be executable code. (Which is an oxymoronic statement because if the CPU recognizes encrypted programs as executable then people would only run encrypted programs which would make the encrpytion useless since everyone would know it.) Ever tried running a ZIP file without a ZIP decoder installed and without the auto-execute program as part of the ZIP file? It won't. The CPU goes "I don't know what kind of garbage you are trying to feed me, but I can't run it," and you get an error message from the OS (not the CPU). Thus, and therefore, all programs must follow a given path in order to be recognized as executable.
6. A debugger is a program which monitors all traffic from another program. The CPU could care less what the debugger is doing. The debugger catches all input and output as well as all other executions a program may perform. A watchdog is nothing more than a debugger with a different function. This means that a watchdog can, and will, catch all I/O that a program generates as well as all executions.
Ok - hopefully you have gotten this far. Now we just need to go one step further.
IF - we can run a watchdog program and capture the i/o and commands executed (Which: Why would Intel, the CPU, the OS, or anyone else care if we are running a program which acts like a debugger but really is catching all
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