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Florida Ruling May Lead To E-voting Paper Trail

dorkus123 points out this Palm Beach Post story which begins "An administrative law judge over-ruled an administrative decision Friday that the 15 counties that use touch-screen voting systems must be able to perform manual recounts in extremely close elections." Prior to this, counties using touch-screen voting were exempt from a requirement requiring that certified voting machines be amenable to manual recounts. wierzpio adds a link to the AP's similar story.

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  1. The quote in the summary, translated into English: by CedgeS · · Score: 4, Informative

    An administrative law judge over-ruled an administrative decision Friday. The 15 counties that use touch-screen voting systems must be able to perform manual recounts in extremely close elections.

  2. Dot Matrix Printers by anubi · · Score: 2, Informative
    Why can't they just have a printer in the kiosk in an enclosure where the only line the voter can see and verify are the lines indicating the result of his vote...

    Then it scrolls out of view for the next voter.

    Everything would be on one continuous numbered roll. With each vote accounted for in the same manner as those numbered voting slips they give us now.

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    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

  3. Re:bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    And if you REALLY want to cheat the system you can vote twice...
    http://www.nydailynews.com/08-22-2004/fr ont/story/ 224449p-192807c.html
    "Some 46,000 New Yorkers are registered to vote in both the city and Florida, a shocking finding that exposes both states to potential abuses that could alter the outcome of elections, a Daily News investigation shows." ...
    "The News' investigation also found:

    # Of the 46,000 registered in both states, 68% are Democrats, 12% are Republicans and 16% didn't claim a party.

    # Nearly 1,700 of those registered in both states requested that absentee ballots be mailed to their home in the other state, where they are also registered. But that doesn't raise red flags with officials in either place."

  4. Re:Keep it simple by josecanuc · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's the way the US does it, too; in principle. One of the problems in Florida/2000 came about when voters made mistakes and either marked more than one candidate for a single post, thus invalidating the ballot, or were confused by the ballot layout and possibly voted for someone they did not intend to vote for. Matters were not helped when the media spread the "butterfly ballot" story and many who figured they might have made a mistake tried to contact election officials to either check or verify their vote, which of course cannot happen while maintaining voter anonymity, etc.

    The election officials decided to nit-pick over what the cutoff was for declaring an invalid ballot by talking about the stupid chad business. And really, in the UK, what if someone puts a mark in next to their preferred candidate and then accidentally, and unknowingly drags the marker (pen, pencil?) over the ballot and makes a small mark over another candidate's area.

    At what point does voter intent become unclear enough to invalidate a ballot?

  5. Re:Florida, home of fair elections... by bogie · · Score: 2, Informative

    Florida...we put the corrupt in corruption....

    Seriously when I hear/heard about the crap going on there it made me want to cut Florida off and send it to Cuba. If your in Florida and Black or a Democrat vote by absentee to make sure your vote counts. Any calls you get that the election day has changed or that they are trying to serve warrents at the voting booth are wrong.

    Note that Republicans in Florida sent out a flier to some Miami-Dade Republicans that read "New electronic voting machines do not have a paper ballot to verify your vote in case of a recount. Make sure your vote counts, order your absentee ballot today."

    And of course if on the VERY off chance that your a new citizen in Florida who happens to read /. make sure you voter registration card doesn't already have "Replubican" checked off.
    http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/9292942 .htm

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    If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
  6. Re:Florida, home of fair elections... by mc6809e · · Score: 2, Informative

    Where people get turned away from voting stations by police, disenfranchised because they share the same name as people who were previously convicted of crimes in other US states, have to put up with butterfly ballot papers (only in the poorest districts though) and where chads reign supreme.

    And don't forget all those that VOTED TWICE in the same election.

    "the newspaper found that between 400 and 1,000 registered voters voted twice in at least one election, a federal offense punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

    Of the 46,000 registered in both states, 68 percent are Democrats, 12 percent are Republicans and 16 percent didn't align themselves with a party, the newspaper reported on Sunday. "



  7. International observers to monitor US elections by MSBob · · Score: 5, Informative
    One of the most interesting developments in this election campaign that was completely "overlooked" by mainstream US media is the fact that for the first time in history, US presidential elections will be monitored by international observes.

    How did America get to the point where the fear of rigged elections (normally something reserved for so called "rogue states") is so real that many feel the neat to bring in overseers from abroad? Is it really ture that you always become what you hate?

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    1. Re:International observers to monitor US elections by intnsred · · Score: 3, Informative

      How did America get to the point where the fear of rigged elections (normally something reserved for so called "rogue states") is so real that many feel the neat to bring in overseers from abroad?

      We got there by having the Republican party repeatedly cook and subvert our electoral system.

      Does the name Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon ring a bell?! Read some good histories of the "Watergate era" -- he did far, far more than "just" break into the Watergate Hotel where the Democratic Party HQ was located.

      How about Ronald Reagan keeping the US embassy hostages held by Iran locked up to prevent Jimmy Carter's "October Surprise"? That was a blatant rigging of an election.

      Carter was close to doing an "arms for hostages" deal with Iran to bring back the hostages in October. Reagan sent Bush and others to Paris to negotiate a bigger "arms for hostages" deal with the Iranians. The Iranians took the better offer -- Reagan/Bush's.

      Who says so? Former US CIA agents, French intelligence reports, Russian (Soviet era) intelligence, Jimmy Carter himself admitted that he heard many rumors about such a deal but that he was powerless to do anthing, and to top it off, the now-retired, former Iranian president candidly states that he did do the deal!

      Now, for those that can't keep score, that's 2 rigged elections since 1972.

      Add to that the 2000 election that George and Jeb Bush rigged...

      That's how we got to that point. You're damned right we need international observers!!

      Better still, we need new political parties -- one not dominated by undemocratic traitors and one complete with a spine (some others for variety might be nice too!).