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GmailFS - The Google File System

Scott Granneman writes "Looking to use that new Gmail account for something really innovative? How about combining it with a brand new filesystem for Linux? Then GmailFS might be the answer: 'GmailFS provides a mountable Linux filesystem which uses your Gmail account as its storage medium. ... GmailFS supports most file operations such as read, write, open, close, stat, symlink, link, unlink, truncate and rename.'"

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  1. This seems horribly abusive of Google. by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They've already made it plain they don't want third-party email account checkers; now you're going to subject them to transient file storage addons?

    They're supporters of Linux. Somehow, it doesn't seem like a very "on the spoke" maneuver to aggravate them.

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    1. Re:This seems horribly abusive of Google. by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Black hat hacking is clearly causing white hat hackers to lose toys these days...

      Take the XM-PCR case as an example. XM clearly went out of their way to provide an easy-to-hack-with-a-computer model of their devices. However, they provided that model with the unspoken proviso that it must be used ethically.

      Along comes a programmer with script-kiddie level skills who makes an automatic MP3 maker program that uses that device. That alone would have been fine by XM. However, that programmer decides to try to make a quick buck out of his work by selling it for $20 a copy. Furthermore, once media attention discovers his program, he raises the price.

      That's the kind of thing that awakens the sleeping RIAA, and the RIAA orders XM to send the programmer a legal nastygram in order to show that he is approching the limits of an untested area of law. Of course, Slashdot groupthink blames XM for the letter and calls for a boycott.

      Please people... RTFM before you start hacking anything. Especially, follow what the device makers tell you not to do, and don't try to seek direct obvious profits from your hacking.

      We're seeing far to many cases of one black hat who comes up with the "forbiden hack" that causes a company that puts out a hack-friendly device to wish they never had and want to take the hacking tools they gave the world back. Can't we be nice to the suppliers of such devices so that such devices keep coming out?

    2. Re:This seems horribly abusive of Google. by azaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're seeing far to many cases of one black hat who comes up with the "forbiden hack" that causes a company that puts out a hack-friendly device to wish they never had and want to take the hacking tools they gave the world back. Can't we be nice to the suppliers of such devices so that such devices keep coming out?

      I wouldn't call a piece of software that permits legal fair use to be "black hat". It's also strange that normally corporations who stomp on hackers trying to leverage their devices or services for relatively moderate ends get lambasted on /. but when that corporation happens to be Apple or Google, a lot of slashdotters put on the white knight armor and ride to the resque of an entity that surely has enough lawyers to fend off for themselves.

      Realistically though, GmailFS is and always will be a quirk. They can of course break it any time they want but since 1 gigabyte in storage space costs, what, a handful of glass beads nowadays, do you really think enough people will bother with this to cause serious scalability problems for a search engine company that handles a hundred million hits per day?

      To sum it up: wake up, Gmail isn't going to be cancelled just because somebody made a cute hack to use it as a filesystem. You can still pretend to be part of a special in-crowd of Google lovers because you managed to beg an invite off of someone.

    3. Re:This seems horribly abusive of Google. by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      since 1 gigabyte in storage space costs, what, a handful of glass beads nowadays,

      The benefit of GmailFS wouldn't be the space itself, but the fact that it's transparently portable- that you can access it from any (Linux) PC on the internet.

      Note that if "broadband" ISPs had slightly less-restrictive terms of service, then this advantage would be irrelevant too, because you could easily place your own hard drive available for remote mounting.

    4. Re:This seems horribly abusive of Google. by RadGeekAuburn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Playing different regions games on your Xbox, PS2 or a DVD movie, hell, the whole chipping concept, using your Xbox joystick on your computer and visa versa, ripping DVD's, coping cd's, using a CueCat to scan your own barcodes, using a standalone email device with a different internet provider bypassing the monthly fee, ink jet refill kits, taking apart and reusing a disposible digital camera, pringles can for an antennea, using your wireless card as an access point, using GMail storage as a filesystem, changing hard coded default passwords, overclocking your MB or processor, removing resistor R232 from your cd burner to make it a 16x model instead of an 8x, flashing bios to get extra functionality of the next model, soldering a jumper to enable an extra feature. People will always attempt to bypass, modify, or extend the functionality of something. All it takes is one smart person to figure it out and let others know. I look at things from a different prespective. I do not view it as a company "letting" you do something with your hardware, ...

      [emphasis added --RGA]

      But, of course, when you use GMail storage for something that Google does not intend, you are not doing something with your hardware. You are doing something with someone else's hardware (and that is what makes it unlike all of the other cases that you cited).

    5. Re:This seems horribly abusive of Google. by Nerd+With+Nalgene · · Score: 4, Insightful
      They can of course break it any time they want but since 1 gigabyte in storage space costs, what, a handful of glass beads nowadays, do you really think enough people will bother with this to cause serious scalability problems for a search engine company that handles a hundred million hits per day?


      Yeah, 1 gigabyte of storage costs a handful of glass beads.
      But do you really think it will stay 1 gigabyte of storage?
      It took this guy only 3 days to hack up this program in python. Give him another three days and he could make it register a dozen accounts and link them together transparently into one filesystem. In fact, it scales pretty easily to the point where I could have unlimited storage on Google's servers--and then it would be a problem for them, and they would have to break it.
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    6. Re:This seems horribly abusive of Google. by Electroly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait... if you're already carrying something around (KNOPPIX), why not just carry around a 1GB keychain drive instead? They're smaller than a CD, even.

  2. Re:why? by Tongo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do men climb mountains, why do they explore new lands, why do they explore space or the depths of the oceans. Mankind does it because it's there (or can be done).

  3. It won't eventuate by Quick+Reply · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gmail can allow up to 1GB storage based on the fact that not all email accounts are going to get anywhere near the limit, if GmailFS becomes real, Gmail would become unsustainable (and where is the Ad revenue?) and in summery Google will get very angry and pull the plug in a mean way. On another note, I'm surprised that having direct access to the root folders of a gmail account (like it's a pop/imap account) is even possible.

    1. Re:It won't eventuate by Nerftoe · · Score: 3, Insightful
      ..if GmailFS becomes real, Gmail would become unsustainable..

      Joe sixpack and Stacy no-brain are not going to be using GmailFS. If all gmail users on slashdot were to implement GmailFS, it would still be a small drop in the bucket of their total user base. Even if Google is aware of this use of their Gmail services, they may overlook it because:

      It may not be worth their time/money to block

      They want to remain "holy" in the geek community

    2. Re:It won't eventuate by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find it interesting how many people are against this hack. IT seems it is Google's own fault for not finding a better revenue model. This seems exactly the same as an Xbox Linux hack. Sure, MS loses money on every XBox, but that's their fault for selling them at a lose. The same thing goes for ad stripping from web sites and apps like AIM. The vast majority of /.ers are for these hacks because they are innovative, useful and cool. Yet when this one comes up that uses Google in the same way, there seems to be a decent number of people against it. It seems if it is okay to cost MS and AOL money by hacking their stuff, hacking Google is just as allowable.

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  4. Just because you can... by eSims · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Doesn't mean you should.

    An old adage that applies quite well even to the Internet age.

    Gmail generates ad revenue, but abusing the account in this way both deprives Google of ad revenue as well and costs them network traffic and will likely increase their disk usage.

    This is like that cool neighboor of yours that says you can borrow his tools and then you go over take everything you can find as well as set up a sign in your front lawn for others to join "the fun".

    Goolgle won't leave this intact long and I don't blame them a bit.

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  5. Dont care if Google dont like it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now this is hacking. An off the wall idea and dare I say it, something uniqu, turned inot reality.

    Kids, look at this as an example of what sideways thinking can do. I love it - more because the true spirit of hacking is proven alive, rather than what it does.

    Although, that's pretty cool too.

  6. Backups by tpwch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm going to try to use this thing for backups of my config files. Its the perfect solution for that, can be automated in cron to do daily backups for example (unlike most web-based storage things)

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  7. Re:Nice by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3) Google installs a filter that detects people using GMail in that way and closes such accounts with out warning, since such people have violated the TOS that has been clearly posted since the start. Affected people go crying to Google wanting un-backed-up data back, but Google declares that was "your problem".

  8. Re:why? by nolife · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there's something wrong with the Windows and/or Linux filesystems.

    What exactly are you refering to with Linux filesystems? Linux has many different choices of file systems to choose from and each has advantages and disadvantages.

    As far as I know, none of the existing filesystems for Linux can mount your Gmail storage space so I'd say you missed the entire point of the story headline and the article itself.
    Or maybe I did..

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  9. Re:...Which brings up another point by stu72 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google will care about this because they have to *pay* for all that storage.

    With normal people, they can pay for it with ad revenue.

    With a file system, they cannot.

    Please don't pony out the idea that the ads will still get d/l or clicked on or whatever. If you're an advertiser, you are only willing to pay for human beings seeing your ad or clicking on it, out of their own free will. Otherwise, it's not worth paying for. If it becomes known that x% of ad clicks are actually automated gmail filesystem users, then ad buyers will pressure google for lower prices.

    There's no free lunch.

  10. Re:This seems NOT horribly abusive of Google. by lombre · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is not an abuse of Google. Google only offers 1 G which is only 1% of the typical hard drive today, or just a little more than a CD. Performance will be abismal.

    Except for offline backup (which you could already manually use GMail for) this is not very useful. Even for that it isn't really useful since Google could cancel you account if they don't like how you use it.

    This is really just expression of "I could do it".

    Even so, if they used the gimick of 1 G of email for marketing but expected nobody to use it, tough, they don't get to completely control how you use their product.

    As far as the XM-PCR, this is just the like a VCR for XM radio. How is this an abuse? The recording is analog, all the program does is allow a time shift. These are all things that anybody could do manually for a long time. Should we take away VCRs and Tivo just because broadcasters would prefer we had to watch TV under their rules?

    You already have the capacity but not the right to sell or distribute most of the content that XM transmits.

    They did not go "out of their way". They did it to sell more subscriptions.

    This program actually makes XM radio more marketable.

    When you create a product, you do not get to regulate every thing your customers do with it. Soon we will have Kellogs telling us that we cannot make our own rice krispie bars (i.e. we have to buy their Rice Krispie Treats) with the box of cereal we bought as this violates the "license".

  11. Re:GMail Swap by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because that's too dangerous.

    If you put swap on gmail, what do you think's going to happen? Your root password will be in swap (grep through /dev/mem for it) at some point, if there's any stupid userspace programs; sensitive data could be swapped; etc.

  12. Re:why? by letxa2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Those who misuse a technology will force that technology to no longer exist. Gmail is providing a 1GB *MAIL* account. It's not a free backup server. If people start using it as such you're going to see Gmail placing bandwidth restrictions on accounts, maybe even lowering the 1GB quota to something much smaller.

    The GmailFS is a cute little technological achievement, but it's not what Gmail is for and I'm afraid that if any significant number of people use GmailFS that Gmail is going to suffer TOS adjustments that will affect everyone.

  13. Re:why? by letxa2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Until Google makes it impossible to do or devises negative consequences for doing it, it's fair game.

    Thank you, you are confirming exactly what I said. It's sad that some people see things like this as "fair game." GmailFS is an abuse of a free service being provided by Gmail for an entirely different purpose. It's like the old "freakers" that used Black Boxes to get free calls on the long distance network decades ago. Yes, they could do it, but should they?

    Even so, it's one thing for AT&T to have an adequate security system in place--but in the case of GmailFS we're not talking about Google having inadequate security in place. We're talking about Google lacking anti-abuse algorithms in place. It's sad that it's not the script kiddies that are going to force Google to have to put limits on their service, but their "friends" in the geek community.

    Part of being part of technology isn't just doing everything you can do but doing only those things we should do. Google has generally been well-received in the geek/Linux community. Are we go to say "thanks" by abusing the free service they are providing?