Slashdot Mirror


XM Radio Pulls PC Hardware

Didion Sprague writes "News.com is reporting that XM has decided to "quietly discontinue" the XMPCR -- a tiny USB satellite radio receiver for XM radio. Slashdot readers may remember last week's story about TimeTrax -- homebrewed software that allows XMPCR users to automatically record and tag each song. Now, XMPCR receivers are going for almost $400 on ebay. The RIAA, it should be noted, claims that they weren't "behind the discontinuation of the PCR"."

17 of 265 comments (clear)

  1. Bloody shame they were pressured... by VinceWuzHere · · Score: 5, Informative
    Bloody shame, IMHO IANAL that they felt pressured to kill the product line and avoid any issues with the RIAA. Next news flash will be that the RIAA has pressured music stores to stop selling CDs and avoid "any needless distribution of our highly overprotected music".

    But here's the part that gets me... from the Product Information Page http://www.xmradio.com/xmpcr...

    "XM PCR Developer Communities:

    The XM PCR revolution is in full effect. Across the XM Nation, we're excited to see independent developers creating fantastic new versions of the XM PCR software for a wide range of platforms including Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows. Windows: XtreMe PCR

    Macintosh OS X: MacXM

    Unix: XMPCR perl scripts

    Linux: xmd-xmfe

    Did we miss a developer? Let us know if you're developing any PCR software."

    Heh. Looks like they missed TimeTrax.

    1. Re:Bloody shame they were pressured... by nero4wolfe · · Score: 3, Informative
      Actually, you can still control most XM radio receivers via a computer; save streams to disk to do time shifting, etc. You're just forced to use an IR interface, rather than the direct USB interface. I imagine it wouldn't be that hard to figure out the IR codes sent by the XM remote.

      Of course, you'd lose the information about what channels are there, what's currently playing, etc.

      It's too bad if this sticks. I did a simple forwarder/transcoder that lets you control a xmpcr from a Tivo HMO; with the audio coming out from the Tivo.

  2. XM Module by GoRK · · Score: 5, Informative

    First of all, XM are complete pieces of shit for doing this. The XMPCR was the only reason I even bought into satellite radio service in the first place. I use the XM-PCR on my Car PC and listen to it for hours every day.

    It's worth noting, though, that the XMPCR is a pretty simple device. It would be incredibly easy to build a DIY one out of any XM radio. Here's why:

    XM sells a receiver module to radio manufacturers. Essentially the satellite part of the radio hardware is made by XM and is the same on all units. This module exposes a serial interface (9600 baud TTL level) for control and it outputs digital audio (I forget what format). It's powered on 5V (or 3.3V -- i forget)

    Anyway, all the XMPCR has in it is a simple power supply circuit, a USB/Serial converter, a DAC and an antenna jack. All you would have to do to make your own is take the tuner module out of an existing radio and wire it up the same way. You could even use the same USB/Serial converter to make it 100% identical to the regular XMPCR. The serial number (used for activation and whatnot) can be queried out of the module with a command (or taken off the donor radio's label of course).

    1. Re:XM Module by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Informative

      XM is playing the game well, though. I looked into the chipsets that they use, and there is no point to pick off an unencrypted digital compressed signal -- you either get the lossy output that will produce artifacts when re-compressed, or the useless encrypted portion. Good engineering... until someone figures out which wire to probe on the raw IC.

    2. Re:XM Module by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Informative
      Are you quite sure about that? What about the TOSLink digital adapters that people are using for the XMPCR (see here for the device I'm talking about)? I don't know if the output is lossy and digital or not - frankly, I don't think it matters, it's not like XM transmission quality is really at CD level or anything. If you want CD quality audio, you still need to rip a song off a CD.


      In any case, the difference in quality between the TOSLink digital output and the analog output apparently is only moderate anyway apparently. The point is that this was never about "closing the digital loophole" - there is no meaningful loophole to close here, the stuff people were recording was almost all D to A to D converted anyway. It was just the ease with which the access to the data feed gave to splice and dice and name MP3 files that seems to have caused the brick shitting. LOL, when you think about it, it's quite absurd - they just object to the labor saving aspect here.

  3. two words: reverse engineer by KingPunk · · Score: 3, Informative

    i wonder how long it'll take somebody,
    who has the hardware from xm..
    to reverse engineer a better one. and sell the prototype to a competitor or something.
    so that we can once again, continue to be free of restrictions from morons such as the *AA, and now
    most notably the XM-radio service.
    /end rant

  4. Web-based coming by SparklingClearWit · · Score: 5, Informative

    More than likely, they'll announce that existing subscribers will be able to listen to XM via Windows Media Player/Real Player/etc., as Sirius does. Right now, you need another piece of hardware, and another XM subscription.

    With my Sirius username/password, I can listen to the music channels on my home PC, and the actual receiver is in my pickup. No comedy or sports, but no extra fee, either. My wife can use it simultaneously, as well.

    No, I don't work for Sirius. Honest. I like both XM and Sirius - just speculating on reason ATM.

  5. Re:No bids? by romper · · Score: 5, Informative
    A simple search shows that they're going for about $100-$150.


    But who knows after Slashdot has its effect.

    --
    Right is wrong when left is right.
  6. Still availible here... by keeleysam · · Score: 2, Informative
    --
    Nothing for you to see here, Please move along.
    1. Re:Still availible here... by vistic · · Score: 2, Informative

      you didn't try clicking the buy button did you?

      they're not available anywhere.

    2. Re:Still availible here... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can't, it's a server side validation of the form submit values that causes the page to return with the Javascript alert spliced in at the end.

  7. Do it for free!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Buy a DVB card for your computer. Download some audio ripping software for the satellite card http://audiorip.dvbnetwork.com/
    If you want some video decoding then download software for descrambling http://audiorip.dvbnetwork.com/.

    Point your satellite dish at 110, 119 or 91 degress west. You can watch video and audio.
    YOu can also record audio digitally from the satellite. The dish network satellite also carries the Sirius channels. THe audiorip software will name tag the songs and cut them too. It will also put them in folders. And you can also record multiple radio channels at the same time.

  8. Here is how to do it for free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Buy a DVB card for your computer. Download some audio ripping software for the satellite card http://audiorip.dvbnetwork.com/
    If you want some video decoding then download software for descrambling http://audiorip.dvbnetwork.com/.

    Point your satellite dish at 110, 119 or 91 degress west. You can watch video and audio.
    YOu can also record audio digitally from the satellite. The dish network satellite also carries the Sirius channels. THe audiorip software will name tag the songs and cut them too. It will also put them in folders. And you can also record multiple radio channels at the same time.

  9. Posting at the top.... by FlutterVertigo(gmail · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...so it's available to everyone who doesn't scroll down to read everything.

    Has everyone forgotten the other two members of the triumvirate for finding things geek?
    (eBay, PriceWatch, Froogle).

    As I note in a later message, there are completed eBay auctions in the previous five days or so via Buy It Now! for $29.99, $29.99, $40. That's less than what everyone's discussing.
    PriceWatch has nothing listed - just remember it for future use.
    Froogle, which everyone seems to overlook, seems to have an interesting outlook on XMPCR.

    Just remember:
    ________________________________________
    My Trunk Monkey can beat up your Trunk Monkey.
    http://www.suburbanautogroup.com/ford/trunkmonkey. html

  10. Re:What the heck by karmatic · · Score: 2, Informative

    The legal aspect is why this was so popular. Timeshifting is legal, the music is licensed, and you are authorized to listen to it. As such, you can legally store, and replay the music as you see fit. Needless to say, the RIAA dislikes this.

  11. Re:What the heck by Caraig · · Score: 2, Informative

    The thing is, recording from XM or any radio, for that matter (since XM is billing itself as satellite radio) falls under the time-shifting provisions of fair use. I can record a broadcast for later enjoyment, especially if I'm not able to listen to it when it broadcasts.

    So, as far as fair use goes, it's perfectly legal to rip from the XM stream.

    --
    "I am an Adept of Tantric VAX."
  12. Cause and Effect? by dschuetz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Everyone's been assuming that this is in response to TimeTrax. People seem to be forgetting that this has been available for some time (along with other, similar software). Also note that the XMPCR was on super-duper clearance in some places ($15 at XMFan.com a few weeks back, though w/out antenna).

    The general buzz on the XM message boards is that XM Radio was planning to discontinue the XMPCR for some time, and it just became evident (clearance sales, retail channels drying up, etc.) right about the same time as the software concerns hit the radar.

    I mean, really -- could a big company like XM really decide to pull a piece of hardware from the market on only a day's notice? (the TimeTrax software and initial rumors of XMPCR being pulled happened on the same day). There's also been talk of a USB port on new cradles (which may or may not have been recently nixed, depending on your paranoia settings).

    And anyway, the XMPCR was never a big seller for them. Only available from online merchants, it was originally a cheap way for someone to get XM (since they didn't need to sell any controls or displays). Now, the prices have come down (my SkiFi with cradle cost $200, a Roady2 with free home cradle is $100), so they don't need the bottom-end as much any longer.

    So, yes, it's possible there was some RIAA pressure, and it's possible XM decided on their own to avoid the RIAA, but if so, that was probably only the last straw -- I would not be surprised if they'd made this decision 6 months ago.