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The Giants of Anime are Coming

Wired is running a story about the Giants of Anime which discusses numerous things happening on the anime front, including the new Ghost in the Shell movie, and the upcoming Miyazaki release "Howl's Moving Castle". This is something of a background piece for people somewhat unfamiliar, but it also covers a lot of interesting bits that the fans might enjoy as well.

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  1. Greatest Anime Film? by jetkust · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So what is the greatest full-length anime film ever made? Ghost In the Shell? Akira? Metropolis? Spirited Away? Wings of Honneamise? Anywone Know? I always figured it was Akira, but that's just me.

    1. Re:Greatest Anime Film? by StevenHenderson · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sprited Away sucked bigtime if you ask me. If I want an Americanized anime flick, Princess Mononoke is the best.

    2. Re:Greatest Anime Film? by FCAdcock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For me it was actually the Cowboy Bebop movie.

      Akira is way overhyped. Spirited Away was long and boring. Even Perfect Blue has lost it's charm for me. But any movie with the song 'Tank' in it is a good movie...

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    3. Re:Greatest Anime Film? by tendram · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nausicaä of the Valley of Wind in my book, closely followed by Mononoke Hime. But I'm a Miyazaki Fanboy, so I'm likely biased.

    4. Re:Greatest Anime Film? by xagon7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do agree Cowboy Bebop was one of the best Anime movie I have ever seen. I'd put it up there with Ninja Scroll.

      I don't remember "Tank" being in the movie.... just the series.

      Fo those who don't know, "Tank" is the song played at the beginning of the TV episodes....awesome, just awesome, and like Farscape, any show that has the balls to be that creative and get away with it deserves my respect.

    5. Re:Greatest Anime Film? by Otik2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You need to get mentally prepared (or unwound) after it too. I read that when it first aired in Japan, it was a double-feature with Totoro. That seems like a very good idea to me; I watched them together too, and if I hadn't watched Totoro right after Grave, it would have been a lot tougher...

    6. Re:Greatest Anime Film? by iantri · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually, they talk about this on the North American DVD release. Apparently, they tried showing it two different orders (Totoro/Fireflies and Fireflies/Totoro), and found that people absolutely HATED Fireflies when seen after Totoro.

      Guess that ties into the aforementioned psychological effect.

  2. One of the Best things for Anime... by slipnslidemaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that one of the best things that could happen to Anime is the spotlight that Cartoon Network has put on it with Adult Swim.

    I think that they should find more quality shows and expand Adult Swim.

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    1. Re:One of the Best things for Anime... by Dragoon412 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The best stuff on Adult Swim, though, isn't anime (with the exception of Cowboy Bebop) - Spaceghost, Family Guy, Sealab 2021, Harvey Birdman, the Brak Show...

      The only anime they show (once again, exclusing Cowboy Bebop) is senseless crap like Inuyasha in its cut-down, edited-for-TV format, and Trigun, which, well, let's face it - TriGun is just Dragon Ball Z +1. The animation sucks, the story sucks, the wriring sucks, the voice acting sucks... it's just there to serve as an idol for socially akward 14 year-old boys.

  3. Akira. by mandrake*rpgdx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Although I did like Spirited Away, it had a very Alice in Wonderland sort of feel. I can't stand listening to the English dubs though- that little girls voice in the English dubs is so whiney and annoying. But yeah, Akira is the best. It is just fantastic. It's like blade runner and clockwork orange all in one. The manga is much better (because there is just so much more there), but the movie is just drop dead amazing. Next I would say Vampire Hunter D, and the sequel as well. Then would come Macross Plus. Then would Lupin the third and the castel of Caligastero The list goes ever onward after that, including some pretty weird and obscure ones.

  4. Obfuscated Anime code by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm not much of an Anime fan, and usually refrain from commenting on related stories. However I came across this site in a comment in the IOCCC story yesterday, and thought it was pretty cool.

    Lots of ASCII-art type Anime characters there, except that all of it is source code.

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  5. Steamboy by JanneM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw Steamboy a month ago, and wrote a small review for my friends on my blog. May be of interest to some here:

    [Steamboy] is a new anime by Katsuhiro Otomo (of Akira fame), set in England in 1851, around the time of the world exhibition in Londons Crystal Palace.

    Visually, the movie is stunning. The characters are expressive and individualistic, the backdrops are beautiful, and, of course, the movie is replete with larger-than-life nineteenth-century steam technology. There is enough dramatic machinery and unlikely "science" in this movie to sate even the most rabid steampunk fetishist.

    The story is complex and varied. I'm not going to detail it here - mainly because my Japanese just isn't up to the task of actually understanding all the twist and turns. I lost track about halfway through, to be honest, and Ritsuko too had trouble follwing it, in part because the speech tended to be fast and garbled. Nevertheless, they have managed to create believable characters with at least some depth, while at the same time all the clichés we know and love are well and truly fulfilled. The villain, for example, has an partial facemask and mechanical hand - I guess that adding a white cat and a monocle would have been a little over the top.

    Did I like it? Yes, with a few reservations. This is a looong movie - 2h20m to be more precise. A bathroom break before seeing it is advisable. An of course, I can't really judge the story fairly when I don't really understand it - the end seemed to me to be a little artificial (not to mention wildly contrary to any scientific intuition), but as I couldn't follow the character motivations and interactions by that time, I can't be sure I understood it correctly.

    Should you see it? If you like anime or steampunk, absolutely! And even if you don't, it has enough of an Indiana Jones kind of feel to it that I think you'll be entertained in any case.

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  6. Re:Greater influence by RsG · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On the other hand, geeks are remarkably fickle about anything percieved as mainstream. I'm not saying that we automatically dismiss anything that is popular, but there is a strong preference for the exotic and unusual. Even when something is both normal and loved by geeks, we tend to take it to the next level (ala Star Wars/Star Trek and the flamewars fought over which is better).

    For Amine, I really can't see the genre maintaining it's geek cred as it becomes widely accepted and influential (note: I'm reffering to the west here, not Japan where Anime is obviously percieved quite differently). Ask youself: if this was Pokemon specifically, would it be featured on /.? I don't know if we can overcome this attitude that popular = bad, and unfortunately I'm not sure that this perception isn't justified in many cases; obscurity _is_ frequently good for artistic integrity. You might regret it if the genre becomes mainstream.

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  7. Re:What's the fun... by 19Buck · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The appeal to animation is that the only limitation is in the writer and animator's imagination. You can do and visualize things with animation in order to more readily suspend disbelief than you can accomplish in a live action movie in a badly done effect can ruin said suspension of disbelief.

    I believe that it was the Spawn movie that first used CG in a well stated and obvious manner - and they did some amazing things with that cloak of his, but it still somehow looked "out of place" because of the unrealistically bright shading used in the coloring.

    and really, anime isn't about the drawings, it's about the story and the charecters. It's those same basic elements that drive the appeal of the movie, it's just that using animation removes all restrictions on visuals because you can make whatever you want look however you want without having to make any sacrifices in trying to find a location or actor that fits the director's vision - they can simply DRAW exactly what they want to show.

    Animation in movies is beginning to become very widespread in the past few years now that computers are capable of producing some very realistic looking renders. you didn't actually thing that was Toby Macguire or a stuntman doing all those amazing acrobatics did you? Even only a few years ago, you could not have readily achieved those effects on a believable level.

    Even if you prefer live action, and that's your perrogative if you do, you're still seeing the effects of animation in live action.

  8. GITS: Stand Alone Complex by bludstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I scanned the article and saw no mention of the new ghost in the shell tv series, "Stand Alone Complex."

    If you like anime, or liked the original movie. Go buy this on dvd. Now. Its simply the most remarkable anime I have seen in more then 5 years (and ive been doing this for more then a decade)

    At a million-bucks-an-episode budget, this title is visually incredible. Almost movie-quality effects everywhere. The soundtrack is haunting and fits so well, as does all of yoko kanno's work.

    The themes of the movie are better fleshed out, and the characters more developed. (and more accurate to the manga, by many accounts)

    Oh yeah. The DTS track on the LE dvd blew my mind.

    I was shocked to see this anime. Its the best Ive seen since Cowboy Bebop.

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  9. What, no mention of Gainax? Etc... by ChrisRijk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gundam barely got a mention. No shoujo (girl's) anime mentioned at all. Not much mention of anime TV series...

    Lot of good anime is based on novels too, though they're rarer. I feel that most novel conversions are great (though my Japanese isn't good enough to read novels) but I often feel let down by anime based on an original manga series. Patlabor, Hellsing, Azumanga Daioh and Gunslinger Girl are good examples of manga conversions though. I'm probably picker than average though.

    Some examples of anime based on novels: Slayers (TV series a lot more slapstick than novels though), Read or Die, Scrapped Princess, Crest of the Stars (and follow-ons), The Tweleve Kingdoms.

    Crest of the Stars is one of my favourite series - battles in a 2D universe, the interesting Abh culture and language (the author made up his own language and character set), and some very interesting characters. In pretty much any western series, if you have a race of genetically engineered people, it pretty much has to be a distaster - not so in CotS. Also, democracy vs royalty - democracy has to be superior... but not in CotS. Pretty fun. Ahh... if they'd only make another series...

    The Tweleve Kingdoms is awesome too. Doesn't seem that way at the start, but it has some incredible plots and character development. More!

  10. Re:What's the fun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm fairly new to anime; I only started watching it maybe 18 months ago (I'm 35), and that was by happenstance that Ghost in the Shell was playing on the Independent Film Channel. I had never seen anything quite like it, and it had me riveted to the TV. I only caught the last 20 minutes or so. I started exploring more and different kinds of anime. I've found that, like most things, 90% of it is crap. But the good stuff is a refreshing change from vomit-inducing Disney fare.

    There's also the cultural aspect of it. I've learned more about Japan and Asia, and took a Japanese language course.

    Plus there's all those cute schoolgirls in sailor uniforms ;)

  11. Yoshitoshi Abe by MEK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wired ignores the most creative figure involved with anime today -- Yoshitoshi Abe. Abe was scarcely out of school when his character designs helped bring "Serial Experiment Lain" to life. This groundbreaking work would have been a far more arid exercise had it not been populated by Abe's characters.

    Abe (and part of the Lain team) went on to make the interesting, but not entirely successful "Niea_7". For this, Abe contributed not only character (and environmental) designs, but the basic story.

    Abe then went on to create one of the most beautiful and moving animated series ever -- "Haibane Renmei". Inspired more by the films of Angelopoulos and Kore'eda than other anime, this understated story of young people reincarnated in a bucolic limbo is not only wonderfully animated but remarkably sophisticated theologically (in a fundamentally non-denominational fashion).

    Most recently, Abe has teamed up with much of the crew from Lain to make his most visually compelling work yet -- "Texhnolyze". This dark dystopian work adapts the fragmented narrative methodology of John Brunner's greatest sf novels ("Stand on Zanzibar", "Sheep Look Up") in a thoroughly cinematic fashion.

    Any discussion of anime giants that doesn't include Abe (and his colleagues) is incomplete.

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  12. Anime successful in US theaters by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I get the impression that Hollywood is blocking Anime. Could it be that they see it as a threat? My experience is telling me that Anime is no longer a cult thing. I'm 27, and my youngest brother (11 yrs) to people my age (30s) are watching and collecting anime. It's available in mainstream stores now (Best Buy, movie stores) and video rental places offer them.

    But I don't see them in theaters. Spirited Away didn't even make it into as many theaters as Gigli! Live-action anime-like movies get even worse treatment. Granted, Kill Bill was successful, and the comic movies do well. But Shaolin Soccer was a hit in China and Japan, but it can't seem to make it over here. My younger bros wear Naruto t-shirts to school, but I hear that will never be licensed in the US.

    What's going on?

  13. Re:What a loaded question. What makes a movie grea by Altus · · Score: 2, Interesting


    excelent post. but i will hold off on modding it to add to it.

    I havent seen this movie listed in anyones posts:
    http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0093207/

    Wings of Honneamise. its such a simple movie, with little action, but it was the first anime I had ever seen that had a "normal" plot. It told a story and did it extremely well, held my attention without resorting to giant robots and the like. much like some of the movies you listed.

    Just wanted to through that out there... since noone else has.

    still, my favorite movie might be Akira. I have seen it so many times I cant even count... The first time I saw it was in jappaneese without any sub-titles (I dont speak jappaneese) and I have seen it many many times since, every translation, every dub. I still notice something new every time.

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  14. Listen to the experts, not a slashdot troll by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Review by a real movie expert of an anime movie. Of course some people will still dismiss it because it is a cartoon. That is like dismissing Shindlers List because it is in Black & White.

    If you are going to watch this movie I do recommend that you know this. It is not a feel good movie. The most important mistake you can make is to see it as important wich side the kids are on. It is easy to shrug off their suffering as the result of japans own actions. It is an absolute fact that japan has only the historians to thank for the fact that most of their war crimes are forgotten. They were in no ways less then those commited by the germans/austrians. In my personal opion in fact worse. The germans just gassed childeren. They didn't rape them time and time again in pleasure houses for their soldiers. The germans also have paid billions in damages. The japanese haven't even admitted that raping childeren is bad.

    It is al to easy to go into this movie with the feelings that japan deserved to be bombed. It did. But these kids were not part of it. They had no more choice then the kids being raped by japanese soldiers. They are ultimately the victims of things outside their controle.

    Just as the movie Tora Tora Tora shows how a series of events leads to the start of the pacific war, a series of events where at any time someone might have stopped it all from happening. Grave of the fireflies shows a series of events where two childeren end up dead. Not because of evil actions but because at several steps no-one took action.

    Others are angry that the boy took not better care. This boy is not a movie hero, he is based on the author of the story. His owned sister died of starvation because he would when searching for food would feed himself first. He survived. She died. Just as he might have been able to save his sister in real life if he had been a better human being the movie brother might have made smarter choices. What I do think is missing in the movie is the emphasis that there simply wasn't any food to buy. Rice is not enough.

    Ultimatly I think this is a road movie. You know from the beginning how it is going to end. What you watch the movie for is the journey. Do not judge the travellers. If you want to do that you better be 100% sure that you are a better human being then the characters. It is easy to blame someone in this story. That takes the guilt away from us. Because the real guilt is that this story is happening all around us today.

    This is not an anti-war movie. That is to simple. It is a "this is what war is really like" movie.

    If you have read the reviews and still go "but it is a cartoon" then you are one hell of shallow thing.

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  15. outside the mainstream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like how articles like these focus on anime productions that exist outside of the mainstream. Flicks like Innocence, Howl's, and Steamboy are about as far from regular Japanese animation as you can get. Innocence and Steamboy mostly failed at the Japanese box office, but hope to do well internationally. Howl's will do as well as any Miyazaki film, but Ghibli movies have an appeal that reach far outside the anime fandom.

    Contrast those works and some of the others mentioned here (like Yoshitoshi Abe's stuff) to what we typically see in the Japanese anime mainstream: giant robot that, magical girlfriend this, harem anime that, 150-episode fighting anime this. Sturgeon's Law applies here.

    anyone else amused at how the article calls Production-IG the "Miramax of Anime"? I'm sure they meant that in a nice way...