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UPS Hacking in Hurricane Season?

kengreenebaum asks: "Perhaps not the most exciting of topic; however it is storm season and I have a couple of UPS's that need new batteries. What is the best source for high quality, long lived replacement batteries for these devices? I assume it takes a special chemistry to survive continuous trickle charging and an occasional deep cycle. Has anybody tried connecting larger capacity batteries external to the UPS enclosure to attempt longer run times? (Obviously the load capacity is based on the inverter itself and can't easily be modified) Also what software do you use for monitoring and automatic shutdown on Linux? I have collected quite a few APC and Belkin UPS's 700VA or smaller as they go on rebate/sale."

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  1. UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by nuxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just FYI, if you have a UPS with replacable batteries (not the crap throw-away Energizer or whatever brand ones) it's very likely that the battery inside is a gel-type sealed lead acid battery. Just take the battery out and look at the markings on them. Odds are good that you'll be able to find a replacement either on eBay or any of the cheap battery suppliers online.

    Myself and a number of friends of mine have acquired SmartUPS' (typically >1400) for free, simply because they are 'broken', and a battery replacement costing around US$50 or so makes them like new. Oh, and a good SmartUPS is really, really nice compared to a standard passive device.

    1. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by nuxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here's the thing... I *think* you could, but unless you properly take into account the amperage of the batteries and such, you could risk damage to the circuitry which handles the switching. And that would be bad...

      That reminds me of how once when working retail, this guy came in and asked me how many deep cycle batteries he could chain off an APC BackUPS. He wanted literally racks and racks of them, so that he could handle his whole house. All while having things switched by that little BackUPS...

      I'm not sure if you've ever been in a server room, but the UPS' to handle switching massive loads like this tend to be multiple-rack-sized, having contacts that look more like copper paperback books jutting out of the panel.

    2. Re:UPS' Contain Standard Gel / Sealed Batteries by caseih · · Score: 3, Informative

      The cheapest place I've ever seen to buy new batteries for just about anything, including UPS, is at: http://www.gotbatteries.com

      They also have volume discounts. We were able to replace all 64 batteries in our APC UPS unit for around 9 dollars a piece. This is a fraction of the cost APC would have charged. At the time they didn't have the 7 Amp batteries we needed, so we got 8 Amp ones instead (I think that's what it was). Anyway, great deal. Brandname batteries too.

  2. Not sure if entire relavent by Student_Tech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For the batteries, if it is maintaining the voltage at a "float voltage" the batteries can be held nearly indefintly without a discharge or worry of overcharging. Lead acids have a float voltage of about 2.35 volts/cel (based on some quick googling). They will still die after some time.
    But I don't know what technology, size, or how the UPSes actually using the batteries.
    If I was DIY a UPS, I would have about 10 12Volt batteries (no transformers...), drive them off a full-wave rectifier, filter the power from the rectifier a bit, and then invert the power to make it back to AC and use my equipment off that. Advantage, I am always off the batteries, disadvantage, I have no monitoring ability and if I was to set the incoming voltage to the float voltage, it will probably take a while to charge.

    1. Re:Not sure if entire relavent by spikestabber · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've ran computer switching power supplies off of 110V DC (Direct current) before. Since their internal switching unit does not need the alternating current anyways. The AC is just converted to DC and filtered with a couple large capacitors, so feeding it DC will work just fine.

  3. APCUPSD by spikestabber · · Score: 4, Informative

    If your using an APC ups, apcupsd is by far the best one to use. www2.apcupsd.com/

  4. Trade it in by bluGill · · Score: 3, Informative

    APC has a nice trade in program, take ANY UPS, send it in, and get a nice discount on a new one. Check their website out for details. (I'm sure their comptition has something too)

    Now I'm sure you are still paying more than just batteries. However you get a system that is designed to work, with electronics that are not used and have no seen some unknown number of surges. You don't take a chance that the charger is broken (which may or may not break the batteries)

    If you really must go cheap, inverters are getting really cheap, connect a few batteries to an inverter with a standard battery charger. You don't get monitoring, but you know when the lights go out, plus you have a lot more runtime. For extra points you can make your charger a solar system and run your computers off the grid. (Note, to get a system that doesn't waste a lot of energy you must to some research, but this theory will work)

  5. Battery info by belg4mit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, if the UPs is worth a dam the backups aren't on a trickle charge; it should be periodically testing and charging as necessary.
    Deep cycling is bad for any battery, but excercising them extends their life. I recently came across an interesting resource when doing
    my own research on batteries

    http://www.buchmann.ca/default.asp

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  6. apcupsd by AllMightyPaul · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like http://www.apcupsd.org to handle my APC UPS on Linux. It works very well, and also supports some Belkin UPSes.

  7. Experienced advice by n1ywb · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Small UPSs typically use sealed immobilized-electrolyte lead acid batteries, more commonly referred to as gel-cells. They aren't special at all, they are quite common.

    2. I usually buy gel-cells cheaply at hamfests. They last quite a long time, and used ones are often a good buy. They're heavy, and while you can buy them mailorder, shipping will add up. Better to find a local supplier if you can. Lots of places sell them online though, just google (or froogle) for "gel-cells".

    3. Most small UPSs have a CPU that is programmed with the approximate capacity of it's battery. Using grossly different sized batteries will likely cause the UPS to freak out, or at least not use the batteries' full capacity. Don't connect deep cycle marine batteries to your UPS's guts, it won't work right. Heck, I once had a UPS go south just because I let it sit with no battery for 6 months and the CPU lost its memory.

    4. You need to be careful, because the term UPS can refer to a pussy office UPS thats basicly a bloated power strip, or it can refer to a building full of batteries capable of running a large factory for an hour. UPS components come in all shapes and sizes. A UPS is four things, and inverter, a battery charger, a battery, and an automatic switch. You can build and or buy some or all of those components separately if you wish. Look at places that sell solar power and alternative energy systems for people off the grid. All kinds of beafy power equipment.

    Happy hacking!

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  8. Batteries Plus by Matt+Perry · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've used Batteries Plus to replace the batteries in my UPSs. They have the correct batteries for different types of UPSs and have been pretty reasonable on prices. They're a franchise so they're all over the US.

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  9. Link to DIY-UPS instructions, general info by pro-mpd · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.dansdata.com/diyups.htm

    For those familiar with Dan, you know that it's bound to be interesting. What he does is somewhat of the solution described in some comments.... battery charger, batteries, inverter. He also talks about the merits and pitfalls of different batteries in UPS systems.