Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the can-i-expense-one-please dept.
MrMiyagi writes "Apple VP of of Hardware Product Marketing, Greg Joswiak, discusses the new iMac G5's hardware design. Apparently it's light enough to carry around the house, and has special fans that run at low speeds making the cooling very quiet."
This sums is up...
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OneOver137
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..."teeny little things like that that tend to, over the course of time, make people love their Mac and inspire magazines like yours, versus people getting [angry] over time at their PCs because of little things that drive them nuts."
It's that level of attention to detail that people cherish. God is in the details.
Re:100 times on the blackboard!
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wattersa
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Notice that literally everything he says in the "interview" is devoted to increasing the differences between the "pro" and "consumer" lines. E.g. FireWire 800 had really been more attractive to a professional crowd. And really, more [appealing] than the speed has been the advantages [professionals] have with cable lengths.
What does this statement mean? It's pretty much throwaway. I hate apple marketing. They need to make the iMac G5 without the display (oh wait...attractive to a professional crowd = power mac). *sigh*
Re:The All-in-One is cool,
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Laivincolmo
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A middle school really doesn't need a powerful G5 processor when you think about it though. If they're just going to maybe browse the web, and maybe have a few games installed, perhaps the eMac would be a more affordable solution : Apple Store
Re:iMac G4 arm will be missed
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Jeff+DeMaagd
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Given that the mount poing is based an open standard, I'd expect that third party telescoping mounts will be made available if there really is sufficient demand.
Most of us?
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Udo+Schmitz
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Maybe those of us who don't fall into the "most people" category will miss the range of motion available on the iMac G4.
Those of us who don't fall into the "most people" category use a Mac anyway.
Warning to iMac customers
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Ars-Fartsica
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AT 256MB, the standard RAM allotment will not be adequate for most people. Note that if you upgrade via the Apple Store, by Apple's return policies the box is now a "custom build" and cannot be returned. Since the RAM seems to have been lowballed almost by design, it seems there is a concerted effort to minimize returns.
Re:Warning to iMac customers
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krray
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Agreed - 256M is not nearly enough. 512M minimum and 1G is really a good _start_. With every Mac I've requisitioned the memory has been capped where possible.
Upgrading via the Apple Store will negate a return, but by no means will they not service/replace the unit when/where needed. Besides, once you buy a Mac and use it for a bit you will not WANT to return it.
If you do decide to upgrade in the future you'll also find that Mac's tend to hold some decent resale value. PC's are worthless.
Re:Warning to iMac customers
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HeghmoH
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Buy your RAM third-party. It avoids this trouble, and is usually half the price too.
-- Mod down posts with a "Free Mac Mini/iPod" sig, they're spam!
Re:100 times on the blackboard!
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BasilBrush
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Need to? They don't need to do any such thing. For all the noise made by geeks on a tight budget, most of the computers that I've ever known of people buying have been bought with a monitor. They might get a few extra sales with a headless version, but would it compensate them for the lower profit on a lower value machine?
ITYM, you want them to make a headless iMac.
Re:This is what Jobs...
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BigFil
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The reason why the all in one LCD design was rejected last time around was becuase it would have required a large bulge in the back of the LCD (i believe for the PS) thus not making it a flatscreen. The technologhy has progressed far enough now that the bulge can be taken away.
-- "Better to be forgotten, then remembered for giving in" - Erich Schmaltz
Re:Design is a regression, but a progression in co
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aftk2
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I had proposed something like this to maintain the sunflower design - which I believe to be one of the most unique electronic designs of the decade.
And you were rightly chastized on MacRumors.com...because of the idea that people should add water (?) to the base of their sunflower iMac is just bizarre.
Look, I can't say enough good things about the new iMac. Somehow, they managed to shoehorn a 1.8Ghz G5 in there, allow you to add up to 2gigs of RAM, give you a serial ATA hard drive and a 20 inch screen, while making it user-serviceable (for the most part) and hovering around 2 inches thick (for the 20inch model.) That is amazing.
Furthermore, when this thing starts selling like crazy (which it will, look at that price), there will be more wall mounts and sunflower-style arms that one might have believed possible in such a limited market. I imagine they will probably even get a better graphics card in there, at some point (Don't think so? ATI just announced a 128mb card, the Radeon 9200, for PCI PowerMacs...these are systems that stopped shipping 5 years ago.)
-- concrete5: a cms made for marketing, but strong enough for geeks.
Re:Smart Design
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badasscat
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I think Apple always goes the extra step when designing their products. I think that one of the most interesting parts of this new iMac is the fact that it has air holes in the top of it so that the hot air can rise out. Now why hasn't anyone else thought of that?
Umm, lots of people have. Probably 50% of all PC towers on the market have top-mounted fans and/or air holes.
What I don't get about the new iMac is this: Ok, so it's basically a screen and keyboard. And you can carry it around the house. And it's not expandable (like other iMacs). Now, how is this different and/or better than a laptop? So the computer itself is in the screen rather than the keyboard - that's not really a major difference in form factor. What advantages does the iMac have over a PowerBook, or an iBook? Is Apple going to delay the G5 iBook now because it'd cannibalize iMac sales?
I would think a laptop would have obvious advantages over the new iMac, while not giving up much of anything. A laptop is truly portable, a true all-in-one unit. The iMac isn't.
Who would buy an iMac over a comparable laptop, and why?
Re:Smart Design and Smart Engineering
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Anonymous Coward
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The thing I've always wondered about is just why Apple haven't gone after more of the high-end scientific/technical market (or servers, really, for that matter.) As has been pointed out many times, a G5 Mac is basically a scaled-down IBM POWER5 system. It's just a lot cheaper. Lots of Unix stuff (free and non-free) already runs on OSX, and the stuff that doesn't would be a pretty easy port. They hype it to a degree on their website, but not as much as they (IMHO) should. I wonder - do they have some sort of agreement with IBM not to go after the workstation/server market too aggressively? In other words, Apple gets the low-end of the PPC market, but all the really high-end stuff are belong to Big Blue?
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..."teeny little things like that that tend to, over the course of time, make people love their Mac and inspire magazines like yours, versus people getting [angry] over time at their PCs because of little things that drive them nuts."
It's that level of attention to detail that people cherish. God is in the details.
Notice that literally everything he says in the "interview" is devoted to increasing the differences between the "pro" and "consumer" lines. E.g. FireWire 800 had really been more attractive to a professional crowd. And really, more [appealing] than the speed has been the advantages [professionals] have with cable lengths.
What does this statement mean? It's pretty much throwaway. I hate apple marketing. They need to make the iMac G5 without the display (oh wait...attractive to a professional crowd = power mac). *sigh*
A middle school really doesn't need a powerful G5 processor when you think about it though. If they're just going to maybe browse the web, and maybe have a few games installed, perhaps the eMac would be a more affordable solution : Apple Store
Given that the mount poing is based an open standard, I'd expect that third party telescoping mounts will be made available if there really is sufficient demand.
Those of us who don't fall into the "most people" category use a Mac anyway.
AT 256MB, the standard RAM allotment will not be adequate for most people. Note that if you upgrade via the Apple Store, by Apple's return policies the box is now a "custom build" and cannot be returned. Since the RAM seems to have been lowballed almost by design, it seems there is a concerted effort to minimize returns.
ITYM, you want them to make a headless iMac.
The reason why the all in one LCD design was rejected last time around was becuase it would have required a large bulge in the back of the LCD (i believe for the PS) thus not making it a flatscreen. The technologhy has progressed far enough now that the bulge can be taken away.
"Better to be forgotten, then remembered for giving in" - Erich Schmaltz
I had proposed something like this to maintain the sunflower design - which I believe to be one of the most unique electronic designs of the decade.
And you were rightly chastized on MacRumors.com...because of the idea that people should add water (?) to the base of their sunflower iMac is just bizarre.
Look, I can't say enough good things about the new iMac. Somehow, they managed to shoehorn a 1.8Ghz G5 in there, allow you to add up to 2gigs of RAM, give you a serial ATA hard drive and a 20 inch screen, while making it user-serviceable (for the most part) and hovering around 2 inches thick (for the 20inch model.) That is amazing.
Furthermore, when this thing starts selling like crazy (which it will, look at that price), there will be more wall mounts and sunflower-style arms that one might have believed possible in such a limited market. I imagine they will probably even get a better graphics card in there, at some point (Don't think so? ATI just announced a 128mb card, the Radeon 9200, for PCI PowerMacs...these are systems that stopped shipping 5 years ago.)
concrete5: a cms made for marketing, but strong enough for geeks.
I think Apple always goes the extra step when designing their products. I think that one of the most interesting parts of this new iMac is the fact that it has air holes in the top of it so that the hot air can rise out. Now why hasn't anyone else thought of that?
Umm, lots of people have. Probably 50% of all PC towers on the market have top-mounted fans and/or air holes.
What I don't get about the new iMac is this: Ok, so it's basically a screen and keyboard. And you can carry it around the house. And it's not expandable (like other iMacs). Now, how is this different and/or better than a laptop? So the computer itself is in the screen rather than the keyboard - that's not really a major difference in form factor. What advantages does the iMac have over a PowerBook, or an iBook? Is Apple going to delay the G5 iBook now because it'd cannibalize iMac sales?
I would think a laptop would have obvious advantages over the new iMac, while not giving up much of anything. A laptop is truly portable, a true all-in-one unit. The iMac isn't.
Who would buy an iMac over a comparable laptop, and why?
The thing I've always wondered about is just why Apple haven't gone after more of the high-end scientific/technical market (or servers, really, for that matter.) As has been pointed out many times, a G5 Mac is basically a scaled-down IBM POWER5 system. It's just a lot cheaper. Lots of Unix stuff (free and non-free) already runs on OSX, and the stuff that doesn't would be a pretty easy port. They hype it to a degree on their website, but not as much as they (IMHO) should. I wonder - do they have some sort of agreement with IBM not to go after the workstation/server market too aggressively? In other words, Apple gets the low-end of the PPC market, but all the really high-end stuff are belong to Big Blue?