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Linux Market: Absolutes / Percentages / Trends

vincecate writes "In their 10-K filing, Microsoft says that Linux server units rose slightly faster on an absolute basis than Windows server units in fiscal 2004. To project the trends it is helpful to look at the percentages. Some Gartner Inc. statistics report Linux server unit shipments are up 61% giving it 9.5% of the overall market share. Windows has a much larger base, so it can get the same absolute unit growth with a much lower percentage. Gartner expects Linux to continue growing faster and have more than 1/2 of the new server shipment market by the end of 2008."

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  1. lies, damn lies and... by gregski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i'm not really sure how important linux server shipment numbers are. Many copies will be installed on multiple machines or just downloaded for free.

    however it does show continual growth as a general indicater that linux is well accepted in the industry. i know my recent workplace was mostly windows on the desktop but had quite a few linux servers.

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    1. Re:lies, damn lies and... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The corporate world isn't geeks and freaks installing linux. You buy a whole system that includes hardware, software, and support. When the machine breaks, you don't start playing with .conf files and testing it, you call the manufacturer and they fix it, or tell you how. You wank with the machine, and it'll void your warranty.

      I know, it's a long way from downloading ISO's from bittorrent. But the business world does things differently (surprise).

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    2. Re:lies, damn lies and... by avdp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? Because I work for a fortune 500 (not a software company) and we do just that: download the ISO and install it on whatever the HP servers come preloaded with. We have in-house experts in all operating systems we use, and to my knowledge never rely on the vendor for anything but hardware failures (and even then, we usually have the spares on hand, and do the replacement ourselves). We will buy support contracts for things like Oracle databases, but even there, we have an excellent DBA staff which is pretty self reliant.

      I think you're attempting to project the way your company works to the rest of the corporate world... Not every company hires phone operators instead of IT staff.

  2. Re:I like linux by McCall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has got to be a troll, but some points are just plain stupid..

    "have a root password since it was a single user machine" - This is totally normal, every version of Windows since NT has had this. Your probably confused because most peoples home Windows machine logs in with the administrator account. Most linux distro's can log straight into your user account from boot now too, IIRC RedHat 8 allowed this.

    "X Windows loaded up and I was in Linux" - This statement just proves you know nothing about Linux or UNIX in general.

    "CD ROM icon...where was it? Apparently I had to mount it manually" - IIRC RedHat 8 came by default with amd running, so I am starting to think you never actually intalled RedHat 8.

    "it wants the stupid root password again" - BTW you better get used to this, Windows 2003 and above tries to enforce good administrator procedures by getting users to log into their own account, then "Run as..." administrator.

    I am amazed that someone who has "studied the Linux kernel in depth" actually gave up on installing a distro because the automatic detection of the sound card didn't work.

    "even though its autoupdate some how corrupted my kernel and I had to overwrite it" - Didn't your studying help solve this problem?

    "I'm an excellent software engineer" - oh boy... I need to laugh... someone carry on for me please!!

    Ahem... /me wipes a tear from his eye...

  3. Surprised? No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are we always shocked to hear that Microsoft might be losing market share to competitor X. When you have such a large segment of any market, you are bound at some point to see your lead eroded away.

    Regardless of whether or not you love or hate Microsoft/ Linux, the fact remains that both serve a different purpose at the corporate level. While Linux still leads as the most popular platform for hosting websites, Microsoft's IIS leads in intranet sites for most major companies.

    There is a place in the market for both Microsoft and Linux -- Microsoft's biggest problem is IBM and others push of Linux to the masses. Without heavy licensing fees, and with IBM's focus on small business consulting, they can easily modify Linux to suit individual companies wants and desires. This customization, currently, is not a key part of the Windows system. That is what direction, IMO, Microsoft should look in taking itself to compete.

    (For the record, the offering of the new stripped down version of XP to many developing nations is one example of truely targetting your market).

  4. Re:sales for the quarter crosses $1 billion ! by po8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keep in mind that the servers shipped running Linux may be a miniscule fraction of the total Linux servers deployed or being deployed at this point. Presumably one reason for the relative growth of Linux preloads vs Windows preloads will be more competitive prices of Linux preloads and a decline in Windows unloads.

    (BTW, when you directly quote an article, it is a good idea to use quotation marks. Otherwise people might think the text was yours.)

  5. a couple of points. by JaJ_D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) What do they mean by "shipped"? is this only the units sold by people like Redhat, IBM, etc.. Or does it take into account all the versions of Linux download and used? With Windows its easy to say "I have sold x many licences, therefore there are x many servers/users" but with Linux you cant - the numbers are likely to be a lot higher.

    2) It's nice to see the SCO lawsuit had such a dramatic effect that the total number of unit of Linux sold has risen. 30+Million dollars of MS^H^H SCO/Venture capital money burnt, with no tangable benefits - other than cementing linux place in the world of IT.

    I wonder how worried MS really is about this?

    I get an inclining of how the Ewoks/rebels must have felt as the sole destroy, all encompassing, stiffling empire fell apart around them. *sigh* Sometimes life is good...

    Jaj

  6. Linux Must Become Easier to Install & Use by mslinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just yesterady, I got an email from a local sys admin about Win Server 2003. He said it wouldn't boot so he couldn't install it. To make a long story short, he was trying to boot the server with the MS Office 2003 CD (the office suite, not the OS).Later that same day, the same sys admin sent another email about needing to reboot the exchange server to "clear up" a problem.

    The moral of this story is that *most* sys admins are not capable of installing or using Linux (or any other OS) unless it's dumbed-down to the childish level of the current Windows OSes.

    1. Re:Linux Must Become Easier to Install & Use by tehanu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why don't they just hire a better admin? I keep on hearing about the high rate of IT unemployment and how many talented people are out of work. How on earth does someone so incompetent keep his job when it is essentially an employer's market out there? For home users and even small business offices (where the boss or random employee who looks like he might know more than average about computers ends up taking care of everything), well yes, ease of install and use is important, but surely anyone deserving of the title "sys admin" shouldn't need any "dumbing down".

    2. Re:Linux Must Become Easier to Install & Use by jimicus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least with Microsoft I have someone to "blame" when things go wrong

      You (or your boss) may like the warm fuzzy feeling of having someone to hold responsible if things go wrong, but have either of you either tried contacting Microsoft technical support or read the EULA lately?

      Unless you're a Super-Gold-Mega-Partner, my experience suggests: forget it.

  7. Re:I like linux by lachlan76 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But what I find most stupid is the philosophy behind it. Why make something so complex for free? I'm an excellent software engineer, good software is hard to make, it's beyond art, takes incredible amounts of education, hardwork and talent, and it should be kept proprietary and one should be paid to make it.

    Perhaps we enjoy writing code? Perhaps we want people who otherwise couldn't afford the software to have it? Perhaps we think it's a better way of programming.

    Not everything in life is about money, you know.

  8. Incompetent IT Workers by Prior+Restraint · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason incompetents don't get fired is because competent people cost more, at least from a hard-dollar perspective. Incompetence costs a company money, but in ways that are hard to pin down. It's far too easy for someone to shift blame; one of the keystones of Dilbert-esque companies is that it's virtually impossible to point to one person and say, "The buck stops here." Where I work, you can't even volunteer for the position. People think you're trying to make some kind of power-grab. Management wants to pretend the developers are all interchangeable cogs, shuffling us between teams as staffing needs dictate, and then they wonder why the overall result is mediocre.

  9. Re:Wait for Longhorn by Zapdos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This would haunt Microsoft for a long time.
    Where I work 80,000+ employees, we naturally have separate server and desktop teams. Making Longhorn networking incompatible with current networking, will make it impossible for us to migrate to longhorn.

    Changing the required number of server and client systems to longhorn in order to have a working system would take at least five full weeks.

    What company wants to be out of business for five weeks.

  10. That's bullshit by njdj · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The corporate world isn't geeks and freaks installing linux. You buy a whole system that includes hardware, software, and support. When the machine breaks, you don't start playing with .conf files and testing it, you call the manufacturer and they fix it

    This is simply not true. I've spent the last 8 years working for big multinational banks. They all have internal support organizations. When something breaks, you call the tech support hotline, which is usually to the bank's internal support group. In a few banks, this function is contracted out to a company like EDS, whose people would be on-site. Nobody ever calls the manufacturer or the software publisher. I've watched the tech support guys fix problems, and they don't call the manufacturer or software publisher either, they fix the problem themselves (which might sometimes involve replacing the machine or reinstalling the software).