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Russian May Have Solved Poincare Conjecture

nev4 writes "Reuters (via Yahoo News) reports that Grigori Perelman from St. Petersburg, Russia appears to have solved the Poincare Conjecture. The Poincare Conjecture is one of the 7 Millenium Problems (another is P vs NP, also covered on /. recently). Solving a Millenium Problem carries a reward of $1M, but apparently Perelman isn't interested..." nerdb0t provides some background in the form of this MathWorld page from 2003.

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  1. He'd post AC by SYFer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    True math genius and the desire for money (and fame and babes, etc.) seem to be mutually exclusive traits and I think that's rather inspiring (and damned practical).

    Take the case of Paul Erdos who was essentially homeless, but published over 1500 papers and is considered one of the all time greats in the field.

    Perelman just casually posted his solution out to the web in much the same way that some of the most brilliant posts on /. come form "anonymous cowards" sitting in their offices at MIT. What a god.

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    1. Re:He'd post AC by Stevyn · · Score: 5, Funny

      It makes sense. Anyone that brilliant would see how pointless it is to worry about money. When will the rest of us learn? There's more to life than money.

      Yeah, it's broadband.

    2. Re:He'd post AC by k98sven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well.. I think it's kind of a general thing for all good Science too.

      Einstein's original paper on Special relativity was named "On the electrodymanics of moving bodies".. It was not named "Revolutionary new discovery by me, Albert Einstein which will revolutionize the world of physics".

      I guess there are several reasons for this.. one is simply manners. Boasting is unpolite. Scientific papers rarely have exciting titles, even when the results are exciting.

      The second is of course, that a good scientist realizes the if a result may be revolutionary. A good scientist also always leaves room for doubt.

      So the natural behaviour would of course to be careful and discreet, and not go confidently telling the world of your revolution until it has been verified. Otherwise, you'll end up with a lot of egg on your face.

      Conversely, most scientists are highly sceptical of 'revolutionary' results which are announced in the press before being published. In fact, most pseudoscientists are very good at publicizing themselves and their 'revolutions', probably because they are totally convinced of their own theories, and are lacking the 'self-doubt' bit.

    3. Re:He'd post AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This observation of Stevyn and the answer to his question "When will the rest of us learn?" is well explained by Maslow's heirarchy of needs. The was Maslow would havd put it is that this guy and other brillian people are 'self actualized' "A musician must make music, the artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What a man can be, he must be. This need we may call self-actualisation. (Motivation and Personality, 1954)". This happens after the various esteem needs, love needs, safety needs, and physiological needs are met. I think the average person gets stuck dealing with the "safety needs" (thus easy 9/11 manipulation). And the average reasonably-successful-slashdotter-guy gets stuck with the "esteem needs" stage aiming for Karma.

      Only us self-actualized "Anonymous Coward" guys rise above this with insightful and informative posts such as this one without whoring for karma.

    4. Re:He'd post AC by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Apparently the guy is able to find enough time to work on these problems. That kind of freedom is what money buys.

      It probably would only take $15K in the US to rent a small apartment in a cheap city and buy food for a year, allowing him to work on his problems. I think the point is that this guy may have been able to make a significant contribution to human knowledge and maybe centuries of notoriety with what it cost to live for a few years. Most of the rest of us would have taken the same amount of money and just dumped it into buying an upscale SUV.

  2. The "free" internet bubble never burst by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 5, Funny
    But there's a snag. He has simply posted his results on the Internet and left his peers to work out for themselves whether he is right -- something they are still struggling to do.

    "There is good reason to believe that Perelman's approach is correct. But the trouble is, he won't talk to anybody about it and has shown no interest in the money," said Keith Devlin, Professor of Mathematics at Stanford University in California.



    I'm always amazed how much free stuff is on the internet. Free million dollar solutions! Good luck with em!

  3. Look at his method for solving this!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's trying to integrate homeomorphic convergence using a Baxter-Bates supermodality, which Krause clearly explained is impossible for T(s) in a non-linear progression. Fantastic thought process on this complex differential geometric problem.

    Just kidding! I have no clue what the hell this is. I got lost after the word conjecture.

    1. Re:Look at his method for solving this!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And if you hadn't added that last paragraph, you'd be +3, Informative by now.

  4. Yes but... by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Funny

    His answer to the problem was "42".

    - Greg

    1. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Makes sense, as I have no idea what the question is.

      Hm... Let's see what the article tells us about it:

      If we stretch a rubber band around the surface of an apple, then we can shrink it down to a point by moving it slowly, without tearing it and without allowing it to leave the surface. On the other hand, if we imagine that the same rubber band has somehow been stretched in the appropriate direction around a doughnut, then there is no way of shrinking it to a point without breaking either the rubber band or the doughnut. We say the surface of the apple is "simply connected," but that the surface of the doughnut is not. Poincaré, almost a hundred years ago, knew that a two dimensional sphere is essentially characterized by this property of simple connectivity, and asked the corresponding question for the three dimensional sphere (the set of points in four dimensional space at unit distance from the origin). This question turned out to be extraordinarily difficult, and mathematicians have been struggling with it ever since.

      Ah. Poincaré understood to ask a simple question like "what is six multiplied by seven" in such a profoundly stupid way that it puzzled the world ever since if and why the answer was 42...

  5. $1 million USD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article:

    A reclusive Russian may have solved one of the world's toughest mathematics problems and stands to win $1 million (560 million pounds) -- but he doesn't appear to care.

    Heh. Last I checked, $1 million dollars was not quite equal to 560 million (British) pounds. (560 thousand, sure ...)

    In an article on mathematics. Of all things.

    1. Re:$1 million USD? by bullitB · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's a British million. A million is only 10^3 over there.

  6. The Whocares conjecture by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whocarés Conjecture If we stretch a g-string around the surface of somebody's buttocks, then we can shrink it down to a point by moving it slowly, without tearing it and without allowing it to leave the surface. On the other hand, if we imagine that the same g-string has somehow been stretched in the appropriate direction around someone's face, then there is no way of shrinking it to a point without breaking either the g-string or suffocating the person. We say the surface of the buttocks are "simply connected," but that the surface of the person's face is not. Whocares knew almost hundred years ago, knew that a well shaped pair of cheeks is essentially characterized by this property of simple connectivity, and asked the corresponding question for the rest fo the people still reading this, as to why they were doing so. This question turned out to be extraordinarily difficult, and slashdotters have been struggling with it ever since.

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  7. The Millenium Problems by shadowmatter · · Score: 5, Informative
    Since a great deal of discussion and awe comes up anytime one of the millenium problems is mentioned (solved?) on Slashdot, I'd just like to say that any layman interested in learning more about the millenium problems should run to his/her library/bookstore and pick up The Millennium Problems: The Seven Greatest Unsolved Mathematical Puzzles of Our Time. Although, perhaps, for the layman, the end may become a bit tricky (the problems are explained simply in order of increasing difficulty), it's a book worth sticking with, and ultimately worth a read.

    - sm

  8. Re:Problems with the Millenium Problems by jericho4.0 · · Score: 5, Funny
    You're an idiot. The Poincare Conjecture has direct application to streching rubber bands around apples.

    I'm joking, but you're still an idiot.

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  9. Re:Riemann hypothesis reportadly also solved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    That's a great link, with a wonderful human-readable summary of the 7 problems.

    For those too lazy to click:

    Seven baffling pillars of wisdom

    1 Birch and Swinnerton-Dyer conjecture Euclid geometry for the 21st century, involving things called abelian points and zeta functions and both finite and infinite answers to algebraic equations

    2 Poincaré conjecture The surface of an apple is simply connected. But the surface of a doughnut is not. How do you start from the idea of simple connectivity and then characterise space in three dimensions?

    3 Navier-Stokes equation The answers to wave and breeze turbulence lie somewhere in the solutions to these equations

    4 P vs NP problem Some problems are just too big: you can quickly check if an answer is right, but it might take the lifetime of a universe to solve it from scratch. Can you prove which questions are truly hard, which not?

    5 Riemann hypothesis Involving zeta functions, and an assertion that all "interesting" solutions to an equation lie on a straight line. It seems to be true for the first 1,500 million solutions, but does that mean it is true for them all?

    6 Hodge conjecture At the frontier of algebra and geometry, involving the technical problems of building shapes by "gluing" geometric blocks together

    7 Yang-Mills and Mass gap A problem that involves quantum mechanics and elementary particles. Physicists know it, computers have simulated it but nobody has found a theory to explain it
  10. Re:Duplicate? by EulerX07 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.

    Place a 2 by 4 on the floor in the door.
    Slam the revolving door.

    Another impossible problem solved.

  11. tr/Russian/Grigori Perelman/ ..? by etheriel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why doesn't this article's title read:

    "Grigori Perelman May Have Solved Poincare Conjecture"

    I've noticed that these kinds of announcements often make a point of appending a nationality to the name of the person involved in the discovery. Surely this proof builds on mathematical knowledge from around the world. Or was Grigori Perelman standing solely on the shoulders of "fellow Russian" mathematicians? I highly doubt it...

  12. Perelman and the prize by NimNar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perelman was unemployed for 10 years while he worked on the problem. His last job was in the States in the early 90s, where he saved enough money to live in Russia for the whole time he worked.

    So think about his perspective: he's a complete loner who was ignored by the mathematical community for 10 years! Now that he's going to be a "certified" genius (with the $1M prize) why exactly should he care.

    Also, it's worth pointing out that like Wiles (who solved the Fermat Conjecture), Perelman's work develops a theory that has the Poincare conjecture as a corollary which is interesting but not of central importance.

    1. Re:Perelman and the prize by doublegauss · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Perelman was unemployed for 10 years while he worked on the problem. His last job was in the States in the early 90s, where he saved enough money to live in Russia for the whole time he worked.

      What I find particularly interesting is that this guy was able to devote 10 years of his life to solving a problem so complex that there was no intermediate output. The same happened to Wiles, who took 7 years to get hold properly of the Fermat theorem.

      Obviously, in both cases it would have been impossible to reach such great results if the authors had had to keep a steady pace of lesser publications. But this is the rule in the academic world: "publish or perish". You must prove yourself "productive" year by year, otherwise you're out.

      I've always thought that applying industrial methods of prouctivity measurement to research is utter madness (I am an academic myself). IMO, Perelman's and Wiles' cases show it clearly.

  13. Re:Hopefully he has better luck than de Branges by agentpi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I go to Purdue, and de Branges is unable to explain himself at all. He has attempted to explain his process to other professors at a seminar here, and has only confused them. He also kicked first year grad students out of his seminar, stating they were to inexperienced. From these grad students, I have learned that he is pretty much and hotshot and an asshole. I'm thinking about going to his seminar on wednesday just to see how long it takes him to kick me out. (I'm a first year undergraduate). A note about his proof of the Bieberbach Conjecture. While de Branges did prove the conjecture, he overcomplicated it, as he does many things, and everybody and their thesis advisor has simplified his proof in some way. Mathworld really discredits his "proof" for one, it contains no proof, and his method was proven flawed by counterexample in 1998.

  14. Re:Confused by xoran99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A better analogy would be to continuously move a circle on the surface until it becomes a point. In the case of a donut, you could draw the circle through the middle hole and around again, so you can't "shrink it to a point" my continuously moving it anywhere; it goes around the donut anywhere you put it. With a sphere, though, you can continuously move the circle to a "pole," where it becomes a point. This property is called simple connectivity.

    It's pretty easy to see that all simply connected 2-manifolds (in 3 dimensions, at least) are homeomorphic to the shell of a sphere, i.e. they may be stretched and contorted to look like it. The question answered here is whether the same is true in the next dimension.

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  15. some terminology by njj · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'll try and explain what the Conjecture is, because it's not entirely obvious. First of all, I need to explain what the 3-sphere is.

    The n-sphere (which mathematicians generally denote by S^n) can be thought of as `all points in (n+1)-dimensional space which are at unit distance from the origin'. So S^2 is the surface of a solid 3-dimensional ball. This sometimes surprises people, who expect this to be S^3 but the key observation here is that the 2 refers to the intrinsic dimension of the object, rather than the extrinsic dimension of any space you might happen to put (`embed') the object in. The fact that we often think of the 2-sphere as being embedded in 3-dimensional space doesn't change the fact that it's inherently a 2-dimensional object. An ant wandering around on it still only has two degrees of freedom.

    The 3-sphere (S^3) locally looks like ordinary, flat, Euclidean 3-space, but on a larger scale it kind of doubles back on itself - if you keep walking (or floating) in a `straight line' (well, actually the 3-dimensional analogue of a `great circle', but never mind) in any direction, then you'll eventually get back to where you started.

    The Poincaré Conjecture says

    Any homotopy 3-sphere is homeomorphic to the 3-sphere

    This, by itself, isn't particularly enlightening to the non-topologist, but what it actually boils down to is:

    Any closed, compact, simply-connected 3-manifold is homeomorphic to the 3-sphere

    What does this mean?

    Well, an `n-manifold' is a space which locally looks like ordinary, flat, Euclidean n-dimensional space. So a 3-manifold is a space (like S^3) which locally looks like ordinary 3-space (but which might twist back on itself in a peculiar way on a larger scale).
    `Closed' means that the 3-manifold doesn't have a boundary - no matter how far you walk, you're not going to run into a brick wall, or fall off the end. `Compact' is a bit more technical, but in this context essentially means you don't get odd shooting-off-to-infinity stuff you have to deal with.

    And `simply-connected' means that the first homotopy group (the `fundamental group' of the space) is trivial. What that means is that any closed loop (of string, if you like), in the manifold, can be continuously shrunk down to a point. Here `continuous' means that you're not allowed to cut or glue the string while you're doing it.

    To use a 2-dimensional analogy, the 2-sphere (the surface of the 3-dimensional ball, remember, or alternatively a British doughnut) is simply-connected, because given any closed loop in the surface, you can shrink it down to a point without it getting snagged on anything. Whereas the 2-torus (the surface of an American doughnut) isn't, because you can't shrink all closed loops down to a point - one which goes all the way round the central hole, for example, can't be shrunk.

    Finally, `homeomorphic' is basically a technical word for `topologically equivalent' - we allow continuous deformations (stretching, twisting, etc, but not cutting or pasting), rotations, reflections, or any combination of these.

    So, the (classical) Poincaré Conjecture is essentially a technical way of saying ``If it looks like a 3-sphere then, basically, it is''. (For certain definitions of `is', and `looks like'.)

    The analogous conjecture in n-dimensional space is known to be true for n=1 (trivial), 2 (pretty simple), and 5 and above (the 5-dimensional case was proved by Zeeman, who is my PhD grandsupervisor - my supervisor was one of his students). The 4-dimensional case is weird, and there are three different forms to consider - the `piecewise linear' and `topological' cases have been proved, but the `smooth' case is still unproven.

    As I understand it, what Perelman claims to have done is prove Thurston's Geometrisation Conjecture, which implies the Poincaré Conjecture as a special case - rather lik