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NASA Genesis Reentry Visible from Oregon to Utah

An anonymous reader writes "The Genesis spacecraft will be visible as an artificial meteor starting in early morning over Oregon until its spectacular helicopter capture above the Utah desert (11 AM EST in the US). Although today's reentry simulates meteor physics, the valuable payload for Genesis is a billion billion atoms on semiconductor wafers now showered with solar wind particles. Unlike the Russian space program, few American capsules have tried overland reentries until the two extraterrestrial sample return missions, Genesis today and Stardust in 2006." Update: 09/08 16:04 GMT by T : RossCarlson writes "Stuck at work today and can't watch Nasa capture the Genesis probe live on TV? You can stream it in both Windows Media and Real (Video | Audio) formats from Nasa TV. Looks like the estimated capture time is around 10:10 a.m. PST. I for one can't wait to see them capture it!"

45 comments

  1. should be some good information by syrinx · · Score: 1

    When I was doing a project with NASA several months ago, I got to see the lab that they had set up preparing for the Genesis payload. It was some pretty impressive stuff.

    Best of luck to the helicoptor pilots, and to the NASA scientists! Hopefully we'll be reading about some good new science information about the sun and the solar wind soon. :)

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    1. Re:should be some good information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh dear.....the parachutes didnt open. Perhaps now you yankees will stop berating BeagleII - which died the same death.

    2. Re:should be some good information by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      touchy are we?

      maybe we shouldn't use parachutes anymore. perhaps they could include a small glider or we would snatch them from orbit if the us shuttle program ever stops sucking.

      What I'm wondering is that non-US manned missions all use parachutes. If nobody can seem to get parachutes right for a little capsule, what makes people think they are okay for a massive capsule full of people?

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  2. First post for Nase by ganiman · · Score: 0, Redundant

    w00t. I'm trolling this morning, aren't I?

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  3. Helicopter capture - this is a job for... by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    ""The 450-pound capsule, moving 25,000 miles per hour, carries with it the same kinetic energy as a four-and-a-half-million pound freight train at 80 miles an hour,"

    Spiderman stopped a train in

    Perhaps he could do the same here? I wonder what kind of pay packet these stunt guys are on. We want you to catch this little ball of sunshine rays, won't be too hard.

    I don't think 'freight train' was a term used in the job description...

    four-and-a-half-million pounds? that is 2,250 tons

    Go spidey! (and good luck to the dudes, hope they get home safely!)

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    1. Re:Helicopter capture - this is a job for... by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um. Yeah. Friction and the parachute are going to do most of the work in snaring the capsule. The helocopters won't catch it until it has slowed down a bit from that 25,000 mph. No really, they won't.

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    2. Re:Helicopter capture - this is a job for... by tod_miller · · Score: 1

      It will be doing 20mph when it lands, but that is enough to fsk it.

      Why not just drive very soft landing zones around underneath it....

      How much shock will it take being snared by a harness? Unless it has a g-grapple which will unwind and slowly brake on the coord at a suitably low force.

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    3. Re:Helicopter capture - this is a job for... by canthusus · · Score: 1
      It will be doing 20mph when it lands, but that is enough to fsk it.

      Looked like more than 20mph to me...

    4. Re:Helicopter capture - this is a job for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      four-and-a-half-million pounds? that is 2,250 tons

      If you need google (or any calculator) to do simple match that explains the sad state of our education system. Seriously, 1 million is just 1 thousand thousand and so forth.

  4. informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    first posting ladidada

  5. First pictures of Genesis entering the atmosphere by wertarbyte · · Score: 2, Funny
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  6. My God... by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    What if Genesis were used on a planet that already had life?

    Not anymore; now we can do both at the same time. According to myth, the Earth was created in 6 days. Now, watch out. Here comes Genesis. We'll do it for you in 6 minutes.

    1. Re:My God... by wertarbyte · · Score: 1

      According to myth, the Earth was created in 6 days. Now, watch out. Here comes Genesis. We'll do it for you in 6 minutes. Well, Scotty would pretend that it would take 6 days in spacedock, but would complete earth in at least 3 days. Perhaps he'd even hire Slartibartfas to model those fjords...

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  7. Spy sats have used parachute recovery systems by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Unlike the Russian space program, few American capsules have tried overland reentries until the two extraterrestrial sample return missions, Genesis today and Stardust in 2006.

    The early KH-1 spy satelites ejected film canisters which would reenter and be caught by aircraft.

    http://www.danshistory.com/spysats.shtml#corona

    Not the same as a whole sat, but still pretty impressive for 1960.

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  8. We've done lots of overland catches... by stienman · · Score: 3, Informative
    Unlike the Russian space program, few American capsules have tried overland reentries until the two extraterrestrial sample return missions, Genesis today and Stardust in 2006."

    It's worth noting that overland collection happened in the US for catching film canisters from spy satellites:
    After the cameras photographed the world from polar orbit, the exposed film was jettisoned back to earth near Hawaii, in a capsule fitted with a parachute designed to be snagged by special planes. From The Corona Story
    I suspect one of the reasons the Russians focussed so much on overland catches is that they don't have many large bodies of water convenient to viable spaceport land. It's more an issue of necessity and convenience than expertise.

    -Adam
    1. Re:We've done lots of overland catches... by Jtheletter · · Score: 1
      It's worth noting that overland collection happened in the US for catching film canisters from spy satellites:
      "After the cameras photographed the world from polar orbit, the exposed film was jettisoned back to earth near Hawaii..."

      Added emphasis mine.
      Last I checked, while Hawaii itself is land, everything around it for quite some distance is not.

      From the parent's source article:
      "The capsules were designed to float, so that if the plane missed, Navy boats could retrieve them. In case the boats missed, the capsules were fitted with salt plugs that would dissolve after two days in the ocean, causing the capsule to sink beneath the waves, so the film could never fall into enemy hands."

      So while we have technically done mid-air captures before, they were not over land, and in fact were specifically designed to only be over water.

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  9. See it live via web -- link here. by Cragen · · Score: 2, Informative
    Estimated time til capture: 40 min from now (11:39 am). See it as it happens on : http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/webcast/genesis/ . Right now, it's showing the helicopters flying out to the pick-up "point".

    Cragen

    1. Re:See it live via web -- link here. by MutantEnemy · · Score: 1

      Hmm I don't have sound so I don't hear any commentary but it looked like it just crashed?

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    2. Re:See it live via web -- link here. by drudd · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's correct. The parachute didn't open, and their cameras followed it all the way into the ground.

      It was pretty cool looking, let me tell you, but I hope they can recover enough to do science.

      They are currently showing the craft sticking half out of the ground... it looks like it's mostly intact.

      Actually it looks a lot like the power generators on Hoth from Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back :)

      Doug

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    3. Re:See it live via web -- link here. by joper90 · · Score: 1

      nahh.. more like lukes house on tatoone

  10. first to say.. by joper90 · · Score: 1

    i don;t belive they wanted to do that...

  11. Just hit the ground hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no shoot opened...

    it is half buried in the ground.

  12. Chutes did not deploy! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

    Just checked in with the Spaceflight Now Mission Status Center. The chute failed to deploy, and the capsule is "half-buried" in the Utah desert floor. Looks intact, but then, so did my Fiat after I wrecked it as a teenager.

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    1. Re:Chutes did not deploy! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 3, Informative

      Replying to my own post, so shoot me. Here are some relevant quotes from the Spaceflight Now play-by-play:

      * Starting about 1045 GMT, the spacecraft spins itself up to 10 revolutions per minute. The spinning will provide the unguided sample return capsule with additional stability during entry. The spacecraft then rotates to the proper orientation for release and spins up to 15 revolutions per minute.

      * Genesis will be stabilize with its nose down because of the location of its center of gravity, its spin rate and its aerodynamic shape.

      * About 45 seconds after entry interface, the capsule will be exposed to a deceleration force three times the force of Earth gravity, or 3 G's. This arms a timer that is started when the deceleration force passes back down through 3 G's. All of the parachute releases are initiated from this timer.

      * After one minute of atmospheric descent, the capsule should be at an altitude of 197,000 feet [...] Slightly over 10 seconds later, the capsule will be exposed to about 30 G's, the greatest deceleration it will endure during Earth entry.

      * 1554 GMT (11:54 a.m. EDT)
      The capsule has been spotted high over the planet!

      * 1557 GMT (11:57 a.m. EDT)
      The capsule appears to be tumbling!

      * 1557 GMT (11:57 a.m. EDT)
      The Genesis sample return capule is rapidly tumbling with no chute.

      * 1558 GMT (11:58 a.m. EDT)
      IMPACT! The capsule has slammed into the Utah desert after failing to deploy its chutes and parafoil.

      * 1604 GMT (12:04 p.m. EDT)
      Mission control says without the drogue chute and subsequent parafoil, the capsule would hit the ground at about 100 mph.

      * 1610 GMT (12:10 p.m. EDT)
      Recovery forces are moving toward the capsule, which has made a very spectacular crater.

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    2. Re:Chutes did not deploy! by t35t0r · · Score: 1

      1559 GMT (11:59 a.m. EDT)

      The capsule is half buried into the ground. But it appears to be mainly intact. ..well it seems that we still may have something

  13. did you hear him... by joper90 · · Score: 1

    they go: its flipping end over end.. and its not deplyed its parachute yet.. which is what we expect.. 10 secs later hit the ground at 100mph..

  14. Splat! by Theaetetus · · Score: 1
    Just saw it go crunch.

    It held together, but it's half-embedded in the ground.

    -T

  15. Oh man by dangermurphy · · Score: 1

    They must be bumming now. We just watched it hit the ground, and that was awesome, and by awesome I mean totaly sweet.

  16. All that training... by stolen.identity · · Score: 1

    ... for nothing. Now the helicopters just look silly, flying around with their little hooks.

  17. HA! by trifster · · Score: 1

    it just crashed into earth. chute didn't open. that sux.

  18. i bet the ... by joper90 · · Score: 1

    i bet the uk beagle team are having a laugh right about now...

  19. I bet... by stormhair · · Score: 1

    ...that Colin Pillinger and the rest of the Beagle team have smug smiles on their faces now.

    Oh dear. Never mind, eh?

  20. acme parachutes. by joper90 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I still waiting the parachute to pop out in a road runner style then an anvil to fall on top of it..

  21. They missed... by stienman · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The video shows a nice little crater, but they are saying something went wrong, so it may not be the pilot's fault...

    -Adam

    1. Re:They missed... by Evanrude · · Score: 1

      The parafoil didn't deploy... no fault of the helicopter pilots. Just an accident.

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  22. breaking news-the chutes did not open by greywar · · Score: 1

    On the plus side it missed the helicopters...... But bad news, although not a total disaster I suspect. As the news develops we will know more.

  23. This just in... by OneOver137 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It dug a big hole in the ground...they had no chance to catch it as the chute did not deploy. Curiously though, a "black oily substance" was seen leaking out of the capsule.

  24. WTF?!?! - The freaking shute didn't open by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The freaking shute didn't open... It went splat right into the desert sand!

  25. Obligatory Unreal Tournament Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Genesis left a small crater.

  26. Impact data by Artifex · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, when I was watching this live over the internet, they appeared to go to a picture of the capsule underneath a canopy, in a very grainy b/w sequence that lasted just a few seconds, then they switched to another camera, and later said they didn't yet have visual on any chutes.

    Too bad I don't have cable, I'd have loved to have this on my Replay, to show you some caps.

    BTW, I did catch the LAT/LON, they said it was 40 07 40 and 113 30 29, that would actually show up in China. If you say -113 instead of +113, you get a location in the Deseret Test Center. Here's a Mapquest map. They also said it was "just north of the road." Of course, they could have accidentally or deliberately been a bit off on their coordinates, but this is what they said.

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  27. SPLAT by zardor · · Score: 1

    Looks like the US space program has lost the ability to do un-manned re-entries, and not just manned ones.
    Another sad day, but another sign of the decline of the american space program.

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  28. explosives on board... by hbp4c · · Score: 1

    Well, if the fact that it crashed wasnt bad enough, now the ground crews are being alerted that live mortar may be on board which should have exploded to release the parachute.

    The crews checked for reside, none found in quick scans. Now they'll have to call in a bomb expert to make sure its safe.

    Basically, this all means that some poor soul is really getting his behind chewed out in his boss's office at nasa.

  29. perhaps not fatal by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The collection wafers may still be recoverable, but perhaps broken and jumbled by the crash.

  30. NASA wastes another $264 million of Tax money by mschaffer · · Score: 0

    Maybe NASA should try to have a couple more success stories.

    I am sick and tired of these catastrophic mission failures. Even counting the success of the recent Mars rover missions, NASA's recent record is still shameful considering their very large budget.

    I am sick of hearing NASA's poor-mouthing when they are getting 0.2% of the GDP! With results like today's, I am going to recommend to my congressperson to cut NASA's budget, not increase it, until they show that they aren't wasting my tax money.

  31. Redundant or Funny!? by 6th+time+lucky · · Score: 1

    I am not sure whether this actually *is* redundant, or wether parent is worried about the health of the pilot *inside* the genesis capsule. Given that this little green man hit the ground at 100+MPH i dont think (s)he'll be answering to anyone down here.