all of which default to "No, do not launch" in case of failure or breach
Actually, I'm not sure you would want this mode of failure if you were actually at war (a la cold war-war). Denying your enemy to fight back just by breaching the system is probably just as effective as neutralising them as hitting them with some missile. Actually penetrating the system and using your enemies armaments against themselves is just getting cocky... Although in today's "terrorist" wars, a fail-unusable situation is better than having all the codes set to 00000...
Bleach is probably not good for all the metal in electronics. However, vinegar is a very good mould and fungus killer. Using undilited normal shop stuff (4-5% acetic acid) is fine, maybe 10% if you could get it. Yes it is an acid, but very mild so I would *think* it would be ok. And I wouldn't leave it longer than a few minutes. It should kill practically all the mould. The final alcohol wash should also make sure of it.
Then as suggested by others a very thorough wash of distilled water (get it in the hardware store).
Dry roughly and squirt down with some 95-100% alcohol. Alcohol will absorb moisture from the air so this is *not* to be relied upon. I would say pure rubbing alcohol (isoproponal), or ethanol (methylated spirits, denatured alcohol, 191 proof grain alcohol if you want to follow the "one for you one for me" philosophy of cooking/cleaning. We wont know how the alcohol will react with all the plastics and glues so dont soak in this, we just want to displace the bulk of the water trapped in all the hard to reach places.
Now take to it with a fan or cool (to start with)-hair dryer in a *very* well ventilated space. Dont want to spark a fire from setting the fumes alight!
**warning** Wear gloves and work in a very well ventilated space if you use "methylated/denatured spirits" of undetermined origin. The possibility of methanol in them *will* send you blind if you breath too much. 'Modern' metho doesnt always contain methanol because of this, but unless you are sure, be safe.
Ok I've just got to reply to myself... in the 10 seconds since I posted that I've had go through my head: 1) Custom (vibrating or air powered) ringtones 2) Morse (vibrating or air powered) output 3) Clenching input. I judge air powered input to be too difficult for the average person, but it should be an option. "Excuse me, I just have to send this message..." 4) Thermal paper, on a roll of course, output... 5) ??? 6) profit
The Australian commercial TV stations like to change their schedule with very short notice
Case in point, Fringe postads saying long long teaser to next episode "next wed 8:30"... by sunday we get "Mentalist, now on wed 8:30", hey WTF?
Expect to see a lot of aussie downloads of Fringe... and dexter (we only just finished season 1-ffs i can buy the DVD in the store for season 2) etc etc...
I'm not buying a HD recorder. Money better spent on internet (yes even overpriced Australian-quota'ed-version internet). Maybe once they can bother to show whole series, on time, not *years* behind the US - days to weeks i can live with... out of order, skipping shows, random time changes etc...
Why, yes the guides are copyrightable lists of fiction
Yes, but you may not want to... and it may not last long
Can the glow be controlled by the nervous system?
I'll say 'not yet' rather than a flat out 'no'.
Which tattoo parlour can give me my glow in the dark thought controlled, full color tattoo?
The tools arent that hard to make but getting your hands on the (G)/(R)/(B)/FP is slightly harder... I have them in my lab;-)
Just give me... 1) these (check), 2) a template mask -one for each colour (easy enough) 3) And the GFP in the appropriate DNA vector, 4) ??? 5) profit 6) and i can paint with 1" dots a tattoo...
I am ***SO*** doing this on the next plant I shoot (not my pic), I only use G(reen)FP on tobacco mainly, so they will have to be monochrome. oh well. just have to put up with green glowing smiley faces on some leaf! No i wont be doing myself (a. I dont have a human vector and b. im not *that* stupid)
p.s. Yes, doing a PhD does make you look for entertainment in odd places.
I looked high and low for GFP tattooed mice (just green dots), which i know i've seen, but google is not my friend.
lets just consider the internet closed to new entrants..
I know your modded funny, but I actually dont think this is too over the top. Maybe not closing it outright, but seriously how many new email accounts *really* need to be created daily worldwide?
The birth rate for the _whole_ world is 134m/yr which is about 300k/day. I cant imagine anywhere near 15% of the world having access to a computer, so we need less than 50k new emails a day. Most people wont be sending more than 1000 emails a day, so limit it. Make registration hard for excessive use (pay, licence in person, etc) So at worst we get 50 million _new_ spams a day (0.05% of current rate) Hunt down, kill, delete, blacklist, any known addresses that are proven to send spam.
Even with a few orders of magnitude error thats going to amount to a lot lot less than the 100 billion (!) being sent today...
I'm pretty sure there is a flaw in there, but if we put up a big sign saying "the internet is full for today, go away" it definitely will cut down on the spam that is technically possible in the system
To reference the pro-forma list http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=982591&cid=25227411... The main points are that Not-free!=expensive, Govt needs to take action, and sending large amounts of email should be a privilege not a right. You cant (legally) abuse the postal system, why should email be very different.
As for paying for it, one thing I learnt from the LHC discussion of cost is that a billion dollar investment is just 1 bomber or 1 day occupying $Axis_of_evil country. And that would probably get rid of spam *for ever*
1) You can buy such IDE-RAM drives:), and i guess if you can afford a system with 64GB RAM you might actually be able to afford them. Then again why not just have 128GB RAM and put half to a RAM disk. But then, would I need 256GB of HDD swap? but then why not more RAM/head-explodes
2) Pulling the plug aint gona help if they dunk the computer in liquid nitrogen... far fetched, yes, but if you are that paranoid.../summary:DRAM keeps data for up to several minutes even at room temp, and for months when really really cold
just fyi, in the Australian coverage of the swimming the constantly told us the reaction time of the athletes, i.e. how long they spent on the blocks. And then yes the useless commentary that followed with "she was last of the blocks with a shocking start 0.5 seconds slower than so and so, but by the turn she was ahead..." etc
I could look up the exact details, but its a little more complicated than this...
Yes the Student owns the IP, is it their Intellectual Property- the student's idea after all.
BUT The university will hold the patent, or at least be on it, and they get a substantial financial cut until all of the costs of training the student are paid off. After all, the student used the resources of the university to develop their ideas.
Unless this really really takes off (more than hundreds of thousands in proft) she will see very little as far as i understand it.
But as said, with the patent at least they can choose whether to sell it or not and they can stop anyone else from trying to profit also.
Even if *they* dont release the info to insurance companies, if you have the test and find out you have a predisposition/condition and then dont tell them (and they find out) they'll get you not disclosing a "pre-existing" condition. I think on my previous policy there was even an ambiguous clause of "is there anything else you want to tell us?"
I think there may have also been a requirement for genetic testing for certain (?) diseases if an immediate family member was diagnosed and suffering from said diseases.
Imagine what all that money could have done for the space race.
OT (a bit) i know, but imagine if a trillion dollars had been spent on fusion tech, then we wouldnt have to even give a shite about iraq's oil and might have to worry about actual terrorists.
Back on topic, with that unlimited fusion power, a mission to mars would become much cheaper-energy wise...
I can figure it must be merry hell trying to sight a target SO far ahead...
Apparently from the F22 at mach 1.5 and 50,000 ft, these "falling" bombs can travel 24 nautical miles (45Km!) and hit a target (under test conditions). Thats at least 1.5 minutes travel time ignoring any real world physical constraints...
it's another to try to force one out of a stagnant weapons bay into a supersonic airstream Interesting, from TFA "wind tunnel testing indicated that without active flow control, the JDAM munition would have returned to the bay."
That's a seriously funny thought. Looks like Einstein wasn't too far off the mark saying "World War IV will be fought with... stones". *Guided* stones!
Speeding may not be dangerous per-se. But going too fast is. How fast is too fast is the question.
Such as the idea that lowering speed limits will reduce road fatalities... I would love to find the statistics, but i would think that those doing the speed limit are not likely the ones causing accidents. So making everyone slow down and bunch up isnt what i want for my stress levels, and I wonder if there are cases of *more* accidents occuring...
Around where i am i was done for doing 103 in an 80 zone, on a really nice banked ramp between two 100K roads, where im having to merge with traffic that was doing 100 on a really short onramp... FFS what was i meant to do, *stop* and wait till midnight for a break in traffic? Next week the limit was increased to 100 in that spot, but as paying the fine is an admission of guilt im SOL.
Same ramp, opposite direction, arbitrarily set at 80, uphill, and way too short for a car to comfortably get from 80-100, let alone a truck, is the source of Perth's hellish evening drive south (IMO). And has had a *&^$en coppa sitting there almost every day for the last few weeks ensuring a nice early start to the gridlock (and pulling people over as fast he can churn them)
I used to hold the view that dont speed or you get what you deserve, but after that, respect level for traffic cops went to nill.
Much like the unmarked cops that tailgate you through to a lower speed zone and then ticket you-not likely to slow down with what would otherwise be a hoon in high powered sedan so close you cant see their headlights are you? (see it many times, but not been on the end that)
OK, I have to reply to yet another Percy Schmeiser reference...
Read this all the way to bottom (please)... The article is in my opinion even slightly anti-GM, so no it isnt a pro-GM rant, it represents both sides...
The take home message is that Schmeiser's field was *NOT* an example of a just natural cross polination or seed contamination. He (at least) *intentionally* amplified the presence of the round-up ready gene in his crop by spraying a large area with round-up and then keeping the seed from the surviving plants!!! It is obvious to anyone that if you dont want a GM round-up resistant crop, then you dont plant seed that you *KNOW* is GM. So for him to then claim he didnt want it in the first place is just plain stupid.
The crop in question that Monsanto sued over was over 90% GM, that just doesnt happen unless you intentionally try to make it so... You can not do that unknowingly, which was the real issue of the case. Schmeiser stole Monsanto's IP and they (Monsanto) had to prosecute it or they risk losing the patent (remember Xerox's attempt to recover "zee-rox" for "copy". Protect it or lose it)
Back on topic (the Schmeiser reference is not)... Crop contamination *is* an issue that should be seriously looked at. But GM seed is rarely "fitter" without the selective pressure applied to it. Dont spray weed killer and weed-killer-resistance-gene wont become prevalent... That means if you are organic the *worst case* is a tiny fraction of contamination. The seriousness of *that* is open for debate.
Terminator genes are one such way to stop someone like Schmeiser from intentionally (or otherwise) growing a GM grop. There isnt a chance of growing a GM plant if it wont germinate. And yes it helps that it secures your customers to buy your seed next year, but most farmers do that for conventional seed already. If the 3rd world dont want it then they dont have to take it... If they cant afford to pay for the seed next year, they certainly cant afford to pay for the herbicide to spray said crop, which is why they have the seed in the first place, right?
I'll see your "annoying pop-up" and raise you an unwelcome automatic friggin' reboot. Turns out if you ignore the popup and arent at your computer it will just shut itself down anyway...
Boss lost a half day's work from that... yes he should have saved the file properly (he insists he did), but *NO* the computer shouldnt have just rebooted on its own while he had lunch!
You can turn this on/off by some group policy... cant remember where...
From TFA, they give the example of a hospital using pirate software that results in harm to its patients... maybe fair enough, if by not paying for that software it somehow makes it fail...
I mean, isnt "pirating" the software meant to give you a working copy???
e.g. Purchased Windows crashes, shame on MS, Pirate Windows crashes, shame on you? WTF!
But Howard is really only a figure head... He acts how the Liberal party wants him to act or he wouldnt be "the leader". It was his party buddies that made him the leader, not the voters.
He has next to no special powers -except for superhuman eyebrows- and cant veto anything etc... and very few Australians actually "vote for" Howard. Replacing him will not effect how the party conducts itself, as the party is already concerned with getting their own votes. So with or without him things will still run as they are now, unless they think they need to change the way they act to get votes.
The flip side of this is that they *want* you to believe that Howard is in power, and is controlling things. That way he is the scape goat for when things go really (more so) belly up. "OH, still vote lib, it was *HIM*, not *us*".
The system kind of sucks... And I'm mot sure if the US presidential system would give a better or worse result...
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all of which default to "No, do not launch" in case of failure or breach
Actually, I'm not sure you would want this mode of failure if you were actually at war (a la cold war-war). Denying your enemy to fight back just by breaching the system is probably just as effective as neutralising them as hitting them with some missile.
Actually penetrating the system and using your enemies armaments against themselves is just getting cocky...
Although in today's "terrorist" wars, a fail-unusable situation is better than having all the codes set to 00000...
Discussing open network initiatives with members of '%' government? Inconceivable!
Bleach is probably not good for all the metal in electronics. However, vinegar is a very good mould and fungus killer. Using undilited normal shop stuff (4-5% acetic acid) is fine, maybe 10% if you could get it.
Yes it is an acid, but very mild so I would *think* it would be ok. And I wouldn't leave it longer than a few minutes. It should kill practically all the mould. The final alcohol wash should also make sure of it.
Then as suggested by others a very thorough wash of distilled water (get it in the hardware store).
Dry roughly and squirt down with some 95-100% alcohol. Alcohol will absorb moisture from the air so this is *not* to be relied upon. I would say pure rubbing alcohol (isoproponal), or ethanol (methylated spirits, denatured alcohol, 191 proof grain alcohol if you want to follow the "one for you one for me" philosophy of cooking/cleaning. We wont know how the alcohol will react with all the plastics and glues so dont soak in this, we just want to displace the bulk of the water trapped in all the hard to reach places.
Now take to it with a fan or cool (to start with)-hair dryer in a *very* well ventilated space. Dont want to spark a fire from setting the fumes alight!
**warning** Wear gloves and work in a very well ventilated space if you use "methylated/denatured spirits" of undetermined origin. The possibility of methanol in them *will* send you blind if you breath too much. 'Modern' metho doesnt always contain methanol because of this, but unless you are sure, be safe.
Ok I've just got to reply to myself... in the 10 seconds since I posted that I've had go through my head:
1) Custom (vibrating or air powered) ringtones
2) Morse (vibrating or air powered) output
3) Clenching input. I judge air powered input to be too difficult for the average person, but it should be an option. "Excuse me, I just have to send this message..."
4) Thermal paper, on a roll of course, output...
5) ???
6) profit
I don't want to know how text messaging works with that.
Yes, but just wait till you see what message *receiving* is like
The Australian commercial TV stations like to change their schedule with very short notice
Case in point, Fringe postads saying long long teaser to next episode "next wed 8:30"... by sunday we get "Mentalist, now on wed 8:30", hey WTF?
Expect to see a lot of aussie downloads of Fringe... and dexter (we only just finished season 1-ffs i can buy the DVD in the store for season 2) etc etc...
I'm not buying a HD recorder. Money better spent on internet (yes even overpriced Australian-quota'ed-version internet). Maybe once they can bother to show whole series, on time, not *years* behind the US - days to weeks i can live with... out of order, skipping shows, random time changes etc...
Why, yes the guides are copyrightable lists of fiction
any green glowing food coming for halloween?
maybe not... but you could be putting a GFP fish under a glowing Xmas tree (not GFP, but still cool)
Can they get blue as well as green and red?
yes yes yes
Can they be injected into skin cells?
Yes, but you may not want to... and it may not last long
Can the glow be controlled by the nervous system?
I'll say 'not yet' rather than a flat out 'no'.
Which tattoo parlour can give me my glow in the dark thought controlled, full color tattoo?
The tools arent that hard to make but getting your hands on the (G)/(R)/(B)/FP is slightly harder... I have them in my lab ;-)
Just give me...
1) these (check),
2) a template mask -one for each colour (easy enough)
3) And the GFP in the appropriate DNA vector,
4) ???
5) profit
6) and i can paint with 1" dots a tattoo...
I am ***SO*** doing this on the next plant I shoot (not my pic), I only use G(reen)FP on tobacco mainly, so they will have to be monochrome. oh well. just have to put up with green glowing smiley faces on some leaf! No i wont be doing myself (a. I dont have a human vector and b. im not *that* stupid)
p.s. Yes, doing a PhD does make you look for entertainment in odd places.
I looked high and low for GFP tattooed mice (just green dots), which i know i've seen, but google is not my friend.
lets just consider the internet closed to new entrants..
I know your modded funny, but I actually dont think this is too over the top. Maybe not closing it outright, but seriously how many new email accounts *really* need to be created daily worldwide?
The birth rate for the _whole_ world is 134m/yr which is about 300k/day.
I cant imagine anywhere near 15% of the world having access to a computer, so we need less than 50k new emails a day.
Most people wont be sending more than 1000 emails a day, so limit it. Make registration hard for excessive use (pay, licence in person, etc)
So at worst we get 50 million _new_ spams a day (0.05% of current rate)
Hunt down, kill, delete, blacklist, any known addresses that are proven to send spam.
Even with a few orders of magnitude error thats going to amount to a lot lot less than the 100 billion (!) being sent today...
I'm pretty sure there is a flaw in there, but if we put up a big sign saying "the internet is full for today, go away" it definitely will cut down on the spam that is technically possible in the system
To reference the pro-forma list http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=982591&cid=25227411 ... The main points are that Not-free!=expensive, Govt needs to take action, and sending large amounts of email should be a privilege not a right. You cant (legally) abuse the postal system, why should email be very different.
As for paying for it, one thing I learnt from the LHC discussion of cost is that a billion dollar investment is just 1 bomber or 1 day occupying $Axis_of_evil country. And that would probably get rid of spam *for ever*
enough ranting...
1) You can buy such IDE-RAM drives :), and i guess if you can afford a system with 64GB RAM you might actually be able to afford them. Then again why not just have 128GB RAM and put half to a RAM disk. But then, would I need 256GB of HDD swap? but then why not more RAM /head-explodes
2) Pulling the plug aint gona help if they dunk the computer in liquid nitrogen... far fetched, yes, but if you are that paranoid... /summary:DRAM keeps data for up to several minutes even at room temp, and for months when really really cold
just fyi, in the Australian coverage of the swimming the constantly told us the reaction time of the athletes, i.e. how long they spent on the blocks. And then yes the useless commentary that followed with "she was last of the blocks with a shocking start 0.5 seconds slower than so and so, but by the turn she was ahead..." etc
I could look up the exact details, but its a little more complicated than this...
Yes the Student owns the IP, is it their Intellectual Property- the student's idea after all.
BUT The university will hold the patent, or at least be on it, and they get a substantial financial cut until all of the costs of training the student are paid off. After all, the student used the resources of the university to develop their ideas.
Unless this really really takes off (more than hundreds of thousands in proft) she will see very little as far as i understand it.
But as said, with the patent at least they can choose whether to sell it or not and they can stop anyone else from trying to profit also.
Even if *they* dont release the info to insurance companies, if you have the test and find out you have a predisposition/condition and then dont tell them (and they find out) they'll get you not disclosing a "pre-existing" condition. I think on my previous policy there was even an ambiguous clause of "is there anything else you want to tell us?"
I think there may have also been a requirement for genetic testing for certain (?) diseases if an immediate family member was diagnosed and suffering from said diseases.
Imagine what all that money could have done for the space race.
OT (a bit) i know, but imagine if a trillion dollars had been spent on fusion tech, then we wouldnt have to even give a shite about iraq's oil and might have to worry about actual terrorists.
Back on topic, with that unlimited fusion power, a mission to mars would become much cheaper-energy wise...
I can figure it must be merry hell trying to sight a target SO far ahead...
Apparently from the F22 at mach 1.5 and 50,000 ft, these "falling" bombs can travel 24 nautical miles (45Km!) and hit a target (under test conditions). Thats at least 1.5 minutes travel time ignoring any real world physical constraints...
it's another to try to force one out of a stagnant weapons bay into a supersonic airstream
Interesting, from TFA "wind tunnel testing indicated that without active flow control, the JDAM munition would have returned to the bay."
I think that would classify as having a bad day
A 2000lb guided rock...
That's a seriously funny thought. Looks like Einstein wasn't too far off the mark saying "World War IV will be fought with... stones". *Guided* stones!
Speeding may not be dangerous per-se. But going too fast is. How fast is too fast is the question.
Such as the idea that lowering speed limits will reduce road fatalities... I would love to find the statistics, but i would think that those doing the speed limit are not likely the ones causing accidents. So making everyone slow down and bunch up isnt what i want for my stress levels, and I wonder if there are cases of *more* accidents occuring...
Around where i am i was done for doing 103 in an 80 zone, on a really nice banked ramp between two 100K roads, where im having to merge with traffic that was doing 100 on a really short onramp... FFS what was i meant to do, *stop* and wait till midnight for a break in traffic? Next week the limit was increased to 100 in that spot, but as paying the fine is an admission of guilt im SOL.
Same ramp, opposite direction, arbitrarily set at 80, uphill, and way too short for a car to comfortably get from 80-100, let alone a truck, is the source of Perth's hellish evening drive south (IMO). And has had a *&^$en coppa sitting there almost every day for the last few weeks ensuring a nice early start to the gridlock (and pulling people over as fast he can churn them)
I used to hold the view that dont speed or you get what you deserve, but after that, respect level for traffic cops went to nill.
Much like the unmarked cops that tailgate you through to a lower speed zone and then ticket you-not likely to slow down with what would otherwise be a hoon in high powered sedan so close you cant see their headlights are you? (see it many times, but not been on the end that)
Easy... When was the last time you purchased a CD that actually had 72 minutes (700mb odd) of music on it?
12 GB = about 12000 minutes of MP3 = only 200 CD's with 60 minutes on them...
That makes OP's collection an average of only 34 minutes on a CD... (at a really really rough guess).
A lot of singles? or just marketing crap not (even nearly) filling the damn disks, yet charging the same...
OK, I have to reply to yet another Percy Schmeiser reference...
Read this all the way to bottom (please)... The article is in my opinion even slightly anti-GM, so no it isnt a pro-GM rant, it represents both sides...
The take home message is that Schmeiser's field was *NOT* an example of a just natural cross polination or seed contamination. He (at least) *intentionally* amplified the presence of the round-up ready gene in his crop by spraying a large area with round-up and then keeping the seed from the surviving plants!!! It is obvious to anyone that if you dont want a GM round-up resistant crop, then you dont plant seed that you *KNOW* is GM. So for him to then claim he didnt want it in the first place is just plain stupid.
The crop in question that Monsanto sued over was over 90% GM, that just doesnt happen unless you intentionally try to make it so... You can not do that unknowingly, which was the real issue of the case. Schmeiser stole Monsanto's IP and they (Monsanto) had to prosecute it or they risk losing the patent (remember Xerox's attempt to recover "zee-rox" for "copy". Protect it or lose it)
Back on topic (the Schmeiser reference is not)... Crop contamination *is* an issue that should be seriously looked at. But GM seed is rarely "fitter" without the selective pressure applied to it. Dont spray weed killer and weed-killer-resistance-gene wont become prevalent... That means if you are organic the *worst case* is a tiny fraction of contamination. The seriousness of *that* is open for debate.
Terminator genes are one such way to stop someone like Schmeiser from intentionally (or otherwise) growing a GM grop. There isnt a chance of growing a GM plant if it wont germinate. And yes it helps that it secures your customers to buy your seed next year, but most farmers do that for conventional seed already. If the 3rd world dont want it then they dont have to take it... If they cant afford to pay for the seed next year, they certainly cant afford to pay for the herbicide to spray said crop, which is why they have the seed in the first place, right?
I'll see your "annoying pop-up" and raise you an unwelcome automatic friggin' reboot. Turns out if you ignore the popup and arent at your computer it will just shut itself down anyway...
Boss lost a half day's work from that... yes he should have saved the file properly (he insists he did), but *NO* the computer shouldnt have just rebooted on its own while he had lunch!
You can turn this on/off by some group policy... cant remember where...
From TFA, they give the example of a hospital using pirate software that results in harm to its patients... maybe fair enough, if by not paying for that software it somehow makes it fail...
I mean, isnt "pirating" the software meant to give you a working copy???
e.g.
Purchased Windows crashes, shame on MS,
Pirate Windows crashes, shame on you? WTF!
I call prior art... using letters (a..z) is a mechanism of encrypting language in of itself...
Each letter encodes a reference to a sound that can be de-crypted if you know "your ABCs"
Some words however obviously use a different encoding method (ie "yatch")
So although ROT-26 might be an approved DMCA cypher, someone else has first dibs on "circumvented their copy protection device"
the best way to get Howard out is to vote Labor
But Howard is really only a figure head... He acts how the Liberal party wants him to act or he wouldnt be "the leader". It was his party buddies that made him the leader, not the voters.
He has next to no special powers -except for superhuman eyebrows- and cant veto anything etc... and very few Australians actually "vote for" Howard. Replacing him will not effect how the party conducts itself, as the party is already concerned with getting their own votes. So with or without him things will still run as they are now, unless they think they need to change the way they act to get votes.
The flip side of this is that they *want* you to believe that Howard is in power, and is controlling things. That way he is the scape goat for when things go really (more so) belly up. "OH, still vote lib, it was *HIM*, not *us*".
The system kind of sucks... And I'm mot sure if the US presidential system would give a better or worse result...
hmmm, not the only thing wrong at google this week...