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University Bans Wireless Access Points

Slayk writes "The University of Texas at Dallas has adopted a policy of disallowing the use of 802.11b/g access points outside of those used for the campus-wide wireless network. While they have an understandable concern with ensuring the accessability of the school network, the rights of the students to use the unlicensed 2.4GHz spectrum in the privacy of their own apartment are obviously being regulated by a body that is not the FCC. Students have until the 15th of September to comply with the policy, disable their wireless equipment, and string cat5 over the floor, or be subject to 'disciplinary action.'"

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  1. Where's the problem here? by beh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If those apartments belong to the University, and the presence of your access point harms/disrupts the operation of their own network then to me it looks like it is well within the rights of the university to demand this - and as they can't single out a specific access point to cause the problem it seems just that they require ALL to be shut down.

    On the other if those apartments do not belong to the university, then I wouldn't see how they should even try and enforce this.

    In either case, it's not much of an issue - and it's not a freedom of speech / censorship issue, since they DO allow private access to the internet by wired means...

    1. Re:Where's the problem here? by Mr+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's called a lease agreement, with a change clause. Use the spectrum all you want, they are prohibiting a device, just like they can prohibit hotplates. If you don't like it, feel free to move out.

    2. Re:Where's the problem here? by Sc00ter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They can make it against the rules to smoke in your dorm room, yet that is a legal activity. Face it, you're on their property, it's their building, tough titties. You don't like it, move off campus or go to a different school.

    3. Re:Where's the problem here? by Mr+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Repeating it doesn't make it more valid. Students enter into a private contract where they agree to behave in certain ways and obey arbitrary rules in order to live certain places and attended colleges and universities.

      Students have every right to access part of the spectrum, but the University still has the right to expell them if they violate the part of the agreement that lists what they may and may not use in their dormroom.

    4. Re:Where's the problem here? by ptbarnett · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The FCC has exclusive rights to resolve matters such as these under the Communications Act of 1934, including those regarding unlicensed devices such as wifi. FCC's Over-the-Air Reception Devices rules (OTARD) specifically prohibit landlords, state and local governments and third parties from placing restrictions upon users of these unlicensed devices.

      Read it again. The cited act addresses services provided to the consumer/resident, not services provided by the consumer/resident.

      You might be able to parse it to apply to services provided by the resident, until you get to this:

      Q: If my association, building management, landlord, or property owner provides a central antenna, may I install an individual antenna?

      A: Generally, the availability of a central antenna may allow the association, landlord, property owner, or other management entity to restrict the installation by individuals of antennas otherwise protected by the rule. Restrictions based on the availability of a central antenna will generally be permissible provided that: (1) the person receives the particular video programming or fixed wireless service that the person desires and could receive with an individual antenna covered under the rule (e.g., the person would be entitled to receive service from a specific provider, not simply a provider selected by the association); (2) the signal quality of transmission to and from the person's home using the central antenna is as good as, or better than, than the quality the person could receive or transmit with an individual antenna covered by the rule; (3) the costs associated with the use of the central antenna are not greater than the costs of installation, maintenance and use of an individual antenna covered under the rule; and (4) the requirement to use the central antenna instead of an individual antenna does not unreasonably delay the viewer's ability to receive video programming or fixed wireless services.

      Since the problem is actually interference with that central antenna/service provided by the landlord, this provision would circumvent a tortured interpretation.

    5. Re:Where's the problem here? by jwthompson2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The rule is not restricting use of the spectrum directly. It is prohibiting use of a particular class of device, the actual access point devices, within the scope of a voluntary contractual agreement. The 'hot plate' analogy presented by a previous poster is very accurate. The rules say you are not permitted to operate the following devices inside your dormitory, hot-plates, wireless access points, interplexing beacons, etc...They are not restricing use of the frequencies directly, since they are possibly allowing use of microwave ovens; but only in an indirect manner.

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    6. Re:Where's the problem here? by Pirogoeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So I'm free to set up a wireless access point in the next plane I fly on? Who cares if the airline prohibits it? Federal law trumps the airline rules, navigational interference be damned!

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    7. Re:Where's the problem here? by daveashcroft · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe the university has a really good pr0n filter / p2p block.

    8. Re:Where's the problem here? by jhoffoss · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yes, but the University has a right to define its Terms of Service (ToS) for a student to use the University network. Port scanning may be legal, but that's probably against their ToS too. And if they want to require all cat5 cables on their network be purple, well, they can probably do that too.

      Well, maybe not purple...

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  2. don't use 802.11b...use 802.11a at 5ghz instead by Danathar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Big deal...

    Go buy an 802.11a access point...and operate at 5Ghz

    Sure....it costs more and has less range but it should be adequate.

  3. Is it open & shut? Or not quite open & shu by fname · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, clearly the University can't prevent the students from operating the wireless points just because they are the landlords. But can they do it as part of the student agreement? Can they do it in a housing contract? My questions are:

    1) Can a landlord restrict use of a technology by explicitly putting it in the contract? The answer may seem obvious, but keep in mind that anyone can put up a DirecTV dish in their apartment no matter what the landlord says. And if they were allowed to, would landlords start restricting the use of WiFi as part of their contract or demand payement for it? I think that's what the FCC is trying to avoid.

    2) Can the university bar the access points as a condition of being an enrolled student? If so, can they also ban other legal activities such as gambling, marching in protest or interracial dating? Not sure of the answer, but my guess is they can't.

    I'm inclined to believe that the U. is without recourse here, at least one an affected student gets a lawyer. If they wanted to control the spectrum, they should've used a licensed band instead. I expect the policy won't last long.

  4. Um.... by Marthisdil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While they have an understandable concern with ensuring the accessability of the school network, the rights of the students to use the unlicensed 2.4GHz spectrum in the privacy of their own apartment are obviously being regulated by a body that is not the FCC.

    The comment above from the original poster seems to be a bit on the daft side. Sure, it's unlicensed. However, they are providing access to the school network. They aren't infringing on any rights of students by protecting their own network.

    If it were me, I'd have said "get rid of them, or you can pay our internal security guy $200/hr, with 2 hours minimum, plus cost of hardware, to come out and install our own wireless AP in your place"

    It's stupid, uninformed, biased crap like the original comment above that makes people look more, and more stupid as time goes by.

  5. Re:Wah Wah Wah my rights! by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you rent your property out you give up a subset of those rights. The students do not live in a dorm as 'invited guests'. They are paying tenants and as such have rights.

    According to the FCC you do have a fundamental right to install WiFi routers wherever you see fit. There was a link to that specific bit of info cleverly hidden in plain view in the article.

  6. Oh FFS by Alioth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the rights of the students to use the unlicensed 2.4GHz spectrum in the privacy of their own apartment are obviously being regulated by a body that is not the FCC.

    This whole story should be modded Score:-1, Overrated. A university apartment is *not* the student's property - it's *university* property and the university can impose regulations like this as they see fit. The FCC aren't going to care if a university prohibits the use of a non-University provided AP, there's no law stopping the University from forbidding the use of random APs brought in by students. If the student doesn't like the policy they are free to rent privately or go to another university. It's no different from a rule, say, forbidding students or staff from landing helicopters in the parking lot. That's not pre-empting the FAA which regulates airspace - it's simply the landowner (the university) imposing conditions of using their land.

    Many apartment complexes have rules like you can't change your car's oil in their parking lot. This is really no different - if you don't like the rule, rent an apartment where the rules don't forbid 802.11b. It's entirely reasonable for the university to restrict 802.11b access points being plugged into *their* network too from a security point of view (non-secured AP + wardriver = nice big hole through any firewall they have).
  7. Re:Get over it by bluGill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Private schools do have stricter rules. However no university in the US is allowed to enforce policy that conflicts with federal law. Any student who wants to fight this should have an easy case. And most universities have a student legal service who will represent you for free (a lot of fine print in there though)

  8. Where is your address again ??? by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I would like to put a huge 2.4Ghz blaster outside your residence so you can not use any of your 2.4Ghz equipment...

    It is as simple as that - Ever been to a LARGE conference (1000+) that offers wireless ? Every time I have gone - it takes about 2 days for the networking people to shutdown all of the stupid idiots that have open wireless on their laptops so the network can stabalize.

    So what you are asking for is for the University to not be allowed to run a stable wireless network.

    This is one of the worst problems with the use of an unregulated band - anyone can push a signal there, making interference the norm. Of course if it was regulated, none of us could use the spectrum, and it would be useless.

    I think a happy medium is for the University to provide a wireless network, and then ask its users to not build a second network inside of it - to reduce interference. After all, how would you like it if I started broadcasting an encrypted wireless network in such a way that you couldn't use your wireless connection - or it always interfered and you could never get a clean signal ?

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    1. Re:Where is your address again ??? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would like to put a huge 2.4Ghz blaster outside your residence so you can not use any of your 2.4Ghz equipment...

      Jamming is illegal. In fact, using wireless network equipment at higher than stock power output is also illegal if the maker didn't certify it for the higher output. Running a non-stock antenna is illegal if the maker didn't get it certified with the gain for that type of antenna that you are using.

      This is one of the worst problems with the use of an unregulated band

      Unlicensed != unregulated. The band IS regulated, it is simply set aside to allow unlicenced use, as in you don't have to go in for certification and testing for the right to operate the equipment.

  9. Re:The FCC will spank them... by voidptr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are certain things the government has decreed are not legal, even if you put them in a contract.

    A contract that says I'll work for you for less than the legal minimum wage is unenforceable.
    A lease that says I can't install a DBS dish under any circumstances is unenforceable.
    A lease that says I can't use a HAM radio on the property is unenforceable.
    A property deed that says I can never resell the property to someone with a different skin color than mine is unenforceable.

    And in this case,
    A lease that says I can't install a wireless access point in unlicensed spectrum is unenforceable.

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  10. Re:And? So do lots of schools... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, it is affecting the rights of the students to use a portion of the public spectrum. The FCC has ruled that only it can regulated access to that spectrum. Thus, the unversities are clealy violating student's rights.

    However, I do think that any university has the right to keep its own network from being accessed via a WAP.

    So, for example, let's assume a dorm with two students with one computer each. They have the right to set up file sharing between those computers via a WAP. The university has no right to stop that. However, the university has every right to restrict the sharing of its network.

    I guess it all depends on how a university is banning WAPs. If its an all-out ban. Than the univeristy is violating the students' rights. However, if a university is only banning WAPs which connect to its own network, such a ban would be legal.

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  11. Re:Federal regulations trump that. by Incongruity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right, except in this case, if you RTFA, the access points in question are in use by students using third party ISPs such as Comcast or some DSL provider. Your point is right on but doesn't particularly apply in the specific case that this article is referencing.

  12. Re:You're missing the point by barawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I doubt the FCC would accept that "loophole" - it erodes their authority. The university could simply progressively ban more and more things that use the 2.4GHz spectrum.

    not ban having heat in your apartment

    There is no federal law allowing everyone to use heat and saying that the Federal Heat Authority is the only organization allowed to regulate the use of the spectrum.

    banning Wireless APs does not ban the use of the 2.4 range

    It bans the use of the 2.4GHz range for Wireless APs - which is the same as regulating it. They could try banning antennas which broadcast at 2.4GHz as well, saying "we're not banning the use of the spectrum!" but I'd still say they're full of it.

    And also!

    Remember that you can use certain wireless cards as APs, using the "hostap" driver. The university can't ban wireless cards, obviously, as they need the students to be able to use them! And if it tries to say "You can't use the wireless cards as APs" that is clearly them attempting to regulate the unlicensed portion of the spectrum. They can't do this - they overstepped their authority.

  13. Re:Federal regulations trump that. by Pedrito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Federal laws and regulations trump state law, via the "supremacy clause" of the US constitution.

    Normally, yes, but just as a university can ban alcohol on their premises, they can also ban the use of other items, on university property. It's their property, so they set the rules.

    Just as a store can disallow the use of cell phones, a university can say that you can't use certain wireless equipment on their property. You're not breaking a law by doing so, but you're breaking the "rules" of the institution and they're within their rights to remedy the situation if someone breaks the rules.

    This isn't a legal issue, so don't confuse it. This follows along with other "rules". Perhaps they have a rule that you have to attend a certain number of classes to pass. If you don't, you fail the class. That's rule, not law. There is no law that affects it. Just as there are no laws preventing them from using wireless equipment. Simply rules.

  14. Rabid dogs by bungeejumper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This post is probably going to get buried in the deluge of flames and arguments going on here, but I have to say it. I've recently noticed a trend in the Slashdot forums, rabid dog behaviour. Disgruntled people jumping in to attack whatever they feel is too restrictive. And its just not the forums, even the articles that our "esteemed editors" are approving seem to be of the same type - "Little fry vs big unyielding giant". It's not always wrong to enforce unyielding rules.

  15. I can understand why they do this ... by Chris+Daniel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But could it be defended in a court of law if it ever got there? No. My university has the same same policy on wireless access points in residences. I don't live in the residences, so I can't provide any personal experience on the matter, but I haven't heard anything about actual enforcement of this policy. The reason they do it (as stated in this article) is that it can interfere with the operation of the university's wireless network. I think they have the "policy" more to scare students out of installing APs than to actually prohibit it.

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