New Bush Guard Records Released

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New Bush Guard Records Released

Posted by michael on Thursday September 9, 2004 @04:23AM from the fighting-the-last-war dept.

rwiedower writes "Over the past 24 hours, several new stories have emerged surrounding President Bush's service in the National Guard. Memos from his commanding officer seem to indicate he was unhappy with Bush's desire to leave Texas, and that he felt Bush was going 'over his head' to get out of service. In true slashdot/military/government fashion, Killian even titled one memo 'CYA'. (The memos, in pdf format, are available here.)"

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The Documents might be forgeries by zulux · 2004-09-09 04:37 · Score: 2, Interesting

More info

From and post from Freerepublic:

Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman.

In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

This should be pursued aggressively.

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This is a better FR thread ;- by DAldredge · 2004-09-09 04:52 · Score: 2, Interesting

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1211076/p osts#20
Re:True Lies by RobertB-DC · 2004-09-09 05:03 · Score: 2, Interesting

Bush LIED about some things related to his service some 30 years ago.

Kerry LIED about some things related to his service some 30 years ago.
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What I want to know is: How does someone's experience as a junior officer over three decades ago have any bearing on their ability to be President of the United States?

I'm not voting for either of the two liars, but if they were my only choices, I'd pick the one that faced enemy fire in Vietnam over the one that played politics in Alabama. Even if Kerry never saw a single VC, he could have been killed at any time. The only time Bush would have seen VC was if someone didn't know how to abbreviate "Veneral Disease".

According to "Bush's Brain", Karl Rove's strategy is "if you make your opponent explain himself, you've won". Both sides are fighting hard (through their proxies) to put the other in that defensive position. To Hell with the both of them, I'm voting Green.

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Re:Facts on Bush's Service by chitownIrish · 2004-09-09 06:07 · Score: 2, Interesting
This is vintage bush campaign strategy. He pretends to take the high road personally, while 'persons not affiliated with the Bush campaign' get down and dirty. It's despicable, but highly effective.
Examples:
- When Bush was running for TX Gov, Rumors surfaced that Democrat Ann Richards was a lesbian.
- Push pollers in SC in 2000 tried to imply that John McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter was the product of an affair with a black woman.
- In that same campaign, McCain was labeled as unstable emotionally as a result of his POW experience.
  And of course we have the big whoppers on Saddam, WMD, Medicare reform, etc, etc.
The 'th' in the memos is different than in Word by MikeRepass · 2004-09-09 06:17 · Score: 2, Interesting

I've been reading about this for roughly an hour, and one of the major issues is the position of the "th". Many claim that these documents were obviously prepared in Word, as it automatically superscripts the "th". I'd like to point out that in the memos, the "th" appears differently than in Word. In the memos, the th partially exceeds the top of the letters around it, whereas in Word, the top of the "h" is matches with the top of the other letters. An attempt at an example:

Word is this...
____ XXXX th XXXX th XXXX XXXX
whereas the memo is...
____ th XXXX th XXXX XXXX XXXX
1. Re:The 'th' in the memos is different than in Word by The+Importance+of · 2004-09-09 07:51 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  This could be the difference between screen and print fonts. Print them out and make a comparison. On my screen the superscript "th" doesn't go above the regular letters, whereas in the print version it does. In fact, it looks (to my untrained eye) identical to the superscript in the memos.
Are these memo's forged? by jlgolson · 2004-09-09 06:19 · Score: 2, Interesting

Little Green Footballs here

"I opened Microsoft Word, set the font to Microsoft's Times New Roman, tabbed over to the default tab stop to enter the date "18 August 1973," then typed the rest of the document purportedly from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian...The spacing is not just similar--it is identical in every respect. Notice that the date lines up perfectly, all the line breaks are in the same places, all letters line up with the same letters above and below, and the kerning is exactly the same...There is absolutely no way that this document was typed on any machine that was available in 1973.

PowerLine here.

Pacetown here.
Re:They had superscripting typwriters in 1973? by EnderWiggnz · 2004-09-09 06:31 · Score: 2, Interesting

You get an identical looking document.

The position of letters are identical. The word wrap is identical. The superscripting is identical.

and somehow, this is supposed to past muster? CBS had an expert look into this - and they concluded that they are authentic.

you, are lieing, and poorly at that.

It is a sad statement that clear, authentic pointed evidence can be called into question because of some conspiracy theory based in bullshit.

Here's the crux of the matter, according to official Navy Records (that were previously "missing"):
1) Killian gave a direct order for George W. Bush to take an annual flight physical.
2) Due to refusal to obey that order, GWB was suspended from flying, AND denied a transfer to the alabama ANG.

The other two memos were from Killian's personal journals - evidence that is considerred admissssable in court - they are not forgeries, despite what someone's imagination cooked up.

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Re:True Lies by EnderWiggnz · 2004-09-09 09:01 · Score: 2, Interesting

can you really use a document that is currently being argued to be a forgery in your fact column?

yeh... the whitehouse commonly releases forged documents that slam the president.

you can argue it all you want, but reality is against you. you knwo what they call people like you? insane.

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Re:Facts on Bush's Service by Anonymous Coward · 2004-09-09 13:03 · Score: 1, Interesting

>$60 Million has been spent by 527s to spread lies about him

Really? What was said about Bush that was a lie? That he started an unjust war? That he won't fire Donald Rumsfeld despite his failures to create oversight in Iraq? That he's created the worst federal deficit in history?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the current presidential administration is one of the worst to ever take office. Pointing that out to the ignorant masses is not a lie.