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The Dangers of One Party Rule

Marxist Hacker 42 writes "Now that the Politics section is up and running, I can submit this story. Back in February, The American Prospect ran a speculative article on The Danger of NeoConservative One Party Rule. A quote: 'Benjamin Franklin, leaving the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, was asked by a bystander what kind of government the Founders had bestowed. "A republic," he famously replied, "if you can keep it." There have been moments in American history when we kept our republic only by the slenderest of margins. This year is one of those times.'"

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  1. So true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone in the United States should think very carefully about the past four years, and also remeber what the United States was like before the current administration. Once you've come to your conclustion, start telling everyone you know to vote Kerry. This is serious.

    1. Re:So true by JavaLord · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everyone in the United States should think very carefully about the past four years, and also remeber what the United States was like before the current administration.

      How has your life changed so drastically under the Bush administration? Please tell me.

      Once you've come to your conclustion, start telling everyone you know to vote Kerry

      Why? What exactly would Kerry change or do so differently than Bush? I fail to see any large contrast from the campaign that Kerry has been running.

      The reason the Democrats are losing ground to the Republicans is because the republicans are actually more tolerant of different views within the party. Both Schwarzenegger and Guliani are pro-abortion conservatives that spoke at the Republican National Convention. When was the last time a Democrat allowed a pro-life speaker at the DNC? Democrats are hardliners on their issues, while the Republican party is a big tent with many different views included. You don't have to agree with the whole Republican platform to be a Republican. If you don't agree with the whole platform of the democrats, they smear you with names like "racist, sexist, homophobic, etc"

      Their problem in this election year is they picked the wrong guy, who is running the wrong campaign. Howard Dean would have done much better because he offers contrast to the president. Edwards would have been better because he would have focused on Jobs and domestic issues. Kerry spends most of his time talking about Vietnam. He needs to stop and attack Bush on the issues if he wants to win. He's boring as fuck too. Unlike Edwards or Dean who are at least motivational when they speak

      And for those who are worried about a one party America, don't. The second the Republican party can manage even 60 perecent of the vote consistantly, there will be a split between paleocons and neocons. See the American Conservative Magizine website if you don't believe me. There might even be a split before then.

    2. Re:So true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What have you missed?! Unbelievable! Let me help you out here. Do you by any chance watch Fox News or something? Unbelievable...

      "Then, we figured out it was Bin Laden's people from Afghanistan."

      You mean Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

      "Then, everybody like you said we'd be quagmired if we attacked Afghanistan. We attacked Afghanistan and overran it in like 10 days. Bin Laden fled to the Afghan-Pakistan border."

      Where he remains free three years later while American troops are still stuck in Afghanistan while the Taliban control ever-increasing sections of the country. A quagmire.

      "Then, Iraq kept rattling its swords. Everyone like you said Bush should go to the UN and get a resolution. So he did. Everyone like you said Bush should give the inspectors more time. So he did. Finally, the time was up and we invaded with the Brits and dozen or so other countries. "

      No, he didn't wait until time was up. He went ahead before the inspectors could finish the job. Up until then they were saying there were no signs of WMD. Bush didn't believe them, invaded anyway, and whaddya know? The inspectors turned out to be right.

      "Everyone like you said we'd get bogged down, and that we should have gotten France, Germany, and Russia's permission. We blitzed through Iraq like a hot knife through butter."

      As the Iraqi soldiers melted into society waiting for us to stop bombing. We did, and they started to take back their country again, now absolutely controlling several sections. Meanwhile the U.S. troops are bogged down, more than 1,000 dead, and no end in sight.

      "It also turned out that the people who wanted Saddam to continue in power, combined with those who wanted an Iranian-style totalitarian Islamic rule, decided to fight a guerilla-style set of skirmishes, assuming that the USA and the new Iraq government would back down. Well they didn't and they won't (unless of course Bush is voted out)."

      Bush will run even if he is elected. The American people will demand it after, oh, 5,000 dead, or 10,000 dead, or sooner or later.

      "Finally, these same Islamic radicals killed several hundred children in Russia. The Russians now see things our way and are going to kick some pre-emption butt."

      Chechnyan separatists, you mean.

      "Oh yeah, the economy's picking up steam, Al Quaeda people are being arrested left and right, we rolled up the Pakistani nuke connection, we captured Saddam and the Iraq people are going to try him, Libya dropped its WMD programs and surrendered, there've been no more terrorist attacks in the USA, and no one that you know has actually been affected by any Patriot Act provisions. You also have more money in your pocket than you did at the start of this administration due to tax cuts."

      The economy is very slowing improving, Al Qaeda is more numerous than it has ever been as new recruits more than make up for old ones arrested, the Pakistani nuke connection is ever dangerous, they did get Saddam but where's Osama?, Libya did back down, there have been more terror attacks then ever even though not in the USA, and yes I do know people affected by the Patriot Act. As for more money in our pockets, only if we were rich to begin with. The pittance the rest of us got was spent long ago.

    3. Re:So true by Peaceful_Patriot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now, the only way to stop this trend is to actually go and fight these bastards where they live. These guys are nothing but power hungry madmen. There is no reasoning with them. There is no capitulation with them. Just as it was meaningless to try to appease Hilter, its just as meaningless now to appease these madmen. Its time to go after them.

      I agree, regarding the crazies that attacked us from Afghanistan....So WTF are we doing in Iraq?

      And remember, when Clinton went after Al Queda he was roundly criitcized by Republicans and in the press for trying to divert attention from Monica. Too bad the right-wingers were more obsessed with bringing down Clinton than they were concerned about the gathering threat of Al Queda.

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    4. Re:So true by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Read the grandparent again. He was not denying that the Chechnyan separatists were Islamic radicals. He was denying that the Chechnyan separatists are the same Islamic radicals that are fighting in Iraq.

      There is nothing wrong with referring to the perpetrators of the Russian school attacks as "Chechnyan separatists," because that's what they are. They're also militant, because they use military-style tactics and training to prepare for and execute their attacks. So I don't see that the "liberal media" is doing us a disservice by using those terms.

      Where in the "liberal media" have the attackers in Russia been referred to as "activists" or "freedom fighters?" Doing a quick survey of Google News, I find one story from today referring to them as "captors," one that makes no mention of the attackers (it focuses on the US plans for dealing with similar attacks), one that refers to them as raiders, and a Guardian article laced with words like "extremist", "terrorists", and "child-killers" (quoting Vladmir Putin). The last article also mentions that Chechnya has a Muslim majority, and mentions the possibility that some of the attackers were Arabs with links to al-Qaeda.

      Yes, Islamic militants are a major source of terrorism, and to ignore this in dealing with Islamic terrorists is a bad idea. But many of the people and organizations who use violence to achieve political ends have nothing to do with Islam, and it would be a mistake to conflate terrorism with Islamic militants, or Islamic militants with Islam.

      I for one am looking forward to November, when Kerry will be elected. I personally think that the hyperconfrontational posture Dubya is taking can only energize terror networks around the globe.

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    5. Re:So true by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow. Another right-winger who wants to break out the nukes. I'll say this once, because anyone who would murder millions in revenge for an act that murdered thousands deserves it: You are an idiot.

      To equate two things is to say P->Q and Q->P. If someone is an Islamic terrorist, he is also a terrorist. But the converse is most certainly not true. All terrorism is a worldwide problem, regardless of the ideology. Terror by militant Islamic groups just happens to be a large component of the problem.

      The religion of Islam is no more to blame for Islamic terrorism than Christianity is to blame for abortion clinic shootings. Both have adherents with wildly varying interpretations of the faith. These people aren't terrorists because of Islam, but because they are dirt poor, fed anti-Western propaganda all their lives, and feel that they have nothing to lose.

      You're making a huge mistake in declaring one third of the world's population to be your enemy. Did I mention you're an idiot?

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    6. Re:So true by itwerx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Islam in general has shown itself to be an evil religion lately.

      So, by that logic, if I (an American citizen) went to another country and killed somebody, people in that country should assume that all Americans are murderers?
      What if I were Catholic? Does that mean all Catholics are murderers as well?

      Next time think for a moment before you make sweeping statements...

  2. My two discussion questions by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think they were edited out because this is Politics, not Ask Slashdot (and yes, I promise to pick my topics more carefully in the future).

    Will this lead to a Stalin-like hard right rule in the United States, and the warned curtailing of rights that a single, right-wing party is feared to be? Or will it be neoconservative utopia, ushering in an era of low taxes, small government, trickle down economics, and an end to labor law disputes?

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    1. Re:My two discussion questions by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trickle-down economics? Grow up. They don't work, and never have. The whole concept of trickle-down economics was just a feeble excuse to cut taxes for the wealthy.

    2. Re:My two discussion questions by FlyingOrca · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You guys on the left just love to exaggerate [...] The only thing we would gain from John Kerry is a government that's a slave to France

      Wow, if you guys on the right don't exaggerate, I guess it's gonna have to be Bush. But I'm thinking you might do it, too.

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    3. Re:My two discussion questions by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 3, Funny

      a slave to France

      Ah...slave to fashion, to fine wine, to cheese, to fine taste and wonderful women who know what a man likes ...(sigh) ...or... !!BUSH!! ... sometimes slavery aint so bad.

      Sera

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    4. Re:My two discussion questions by craigtay · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anyone can edit Wikipedia.org.. and guess what, someone has. Here is the real story on "re-activating the draft": http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=200 - Craig

    5. Re:My two discussion questions by temojen · · Score: 4, Insightful
      And thats exactly what we see today, neither much to the left or the right

      Try looking at american politics from a foreign viewpoint. In the grand scheme of things, both the Republicans and the Democrats are right of centre. The Republicans are just more right wing and way more authoritarian

    6. Re:My two discussion questions by Veridium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But we don't call our opponents Hitler, Nazis or Stalin.

      No, you just knee jerk call people who disagree with the president or his policies, communists, socialists, terrorist sympathizers, and all kinds of other nasty illogical names. And before you whip you the "leftist" label out of your rear and try to apply it to me, I'm a Libertarian. My party stands for free markets, limited government, and fiscal responsibility. You remember those words? It's what Bush promised us and then delivered the exact opposite.

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    7. Re:My two discussion questions by gaijin99 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But we don't call our opponents Hitler, Nazis or Stalin.
      Bullshit. "Feminazi" is one the Fanatic Right's favorite terms.

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  3. Not sure. by captnitro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not entirely sure if there was a Democratic Senate, House and President that they wouldn't do the same. The issue is not that the political authorities are asserting power, because yanno, it's politics. The problem is that the Republicans are more aggressively pushing their agenda [than normal] without much opposition.

    Of all the political quotes I could use here, I'm going to use Dr. Ian Malcolm via Jurassic Park: "Life finds a way." What I mean is, if a majority of people in four years find their life is worse, they vote Bush out. They vote a Democratic congress. People have phenomenal capacity. If you think the people are voting for all the wrong reasons, go back to 11th grade: all men are created equal. People have the right to vote for Bush on an uneducated opinion just as much as people have the right to vote for Kerry.

    (For the tin-foil crowd, no, I don't think elections will be made illegal or term limits extended in the next four years. Sorry.)

    Often times in a democracy, other people win.

  4. There is something more dangerous than by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1 party rule, and it is happening as we speak, and has been happening for a while: The constitution is set up assuming that all 3 branches of the government would be constantly suspicious of what the other ones are doing. However, with the solidifcation of political parties, this isn't happening. Everyone is just toeing the party line, and that is dangerous. The supreme court justices aren't supposed to like the president, congress isn't supposed to depend on the president for inspiration for legislation. The president isn't supposed to just sign everything that his party passes. (I can't seem to think of one veto that George W. Bush has had overrided) That to me is dangerous, it signals that the checks and balances are erroding.

  5. Re:Utter Crap...... by dpilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I beg to differ, and I suspect many others will, too. I'll ignore Assault Weapons, and not compare that to other rights we're losing now. I'll ignore the Intelligence and military, and not compare that to the environment, and other issues.

    I'll settle on fairness and contention.

    For 6 of 8 years, we had a balanced Supreme Court, a President from one party, and the House from the other. I don't remember, but I believe the Senate might have been Democratic, but not strongly so. All in all, it was a balanced government. NOBODY played "winner take all!" Incidentally, the Republicans kept a tight rein on Clinton's Judicial appointments.

    For nearly 4 years, we've had a balanced Supreme Court, and a President and both Chambers of Congress (aside from a few months, after Jeffords) from the same party. Many of us feel that the Right Wing has been playing "winner take all" these past years, acting like they have a popular mandate when they have a slim majority. The Democrats have kept some rein on Bush's Judicial appointments, though either 188 of 198, or 198 of 208 have been confirmed. Now we hear of the "nuke" option coming so they can confirm on simple majority, increasing the "winner take all" feeling. Then we're on the verge of several Supreme Court retirements, and it would seem that the Court will go Right Wing in the next 4 years, conceivably for most of the rest of my life.

    Oh, and at the State legislatures BOTH parties are Gerrymandering, consolidating their Congressional districts and cementing the composition of Congress. At this point the Republicans are more successful at it, though both are guilty.

    Given the Congress we have right now, and are likely to have after elections, a Republican President is the greater evil. That's not a comment on Bush or Kerry, that's a comment on the present and future composition on the Hill.

    Going into the 2000 elections, any number of studies cropped up about how the country was best off when the President and Congress were of opposite parties. I tend to agree.

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  6. slow down cowpoke by spreer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was with for your first three sentences. The left often engages in hyperbole. No one rational here thinks Bush is in any substantial way like Hitler.

    Then I get to sentence four. I am not giving my civil liberties up, even a little bit, not because of Al-Qaeda or for any other reason. I'm probably the nine-millionth person to quote Ben Franklin on this, but "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

    And then I see sentence five: "The only thing we would gain from John Kerry is a government that's a slave to France." And your credibility is shot.

    a) Do you honestly think that?
    b) If so, why?
    c) What the hell?

    spreer

  7. That's fine by me by ElForesto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I prefer my information presented with an obvious and admitted slant. It's much easier to take in the grains of salt that way. What really peeves me is when a news source tries to pawn itself off as being impartial or balanced when it really isn't. I can totally deal with bias if you'll just be upfront with it.

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  8. A Heat Sink is a Good Thing. by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I pine for the day... that /. can get back to the "News for nerds" part. This bitching and vote-mongering is hardly "stuff that matters."

    True, but I think the editors have made a brilliant stroke by creating the "Politics" section. It's a heat sink.

    The heat generated by a power transistor is an inevitable part of its operation. Unfortunately, it tends to degrade the component's operation, to the point where it's no more than a two-legged* blob of molten silicon. To prevent this, we use a Heat Sink. The transistor can then function normally, with the waste heat dissipated somewhere other than the silicon.

    Slashdot generates heat, too, in the form of strong opinions that don't actually contribute to the discussion at hand. Post a story about the next release of Knoppix, and someone will say something about the government supporting/restraining Open Source, then someone will say something about the current administration, and pretty soon you're looking at a hole in the screen where a discussion used to be.

    The Politics section is Slashdot's heat sink. People like me who have strong opinions can vent them here, where they don't affect the articles in the Games, Science, and Apple sections. The heat is inevitable, but you can at least make sure it doesn't interfere with your performance.

    * I know transistors have three connections. I'm thinking of the power transistors where the body is the ground connector. And Bush sucks, by the way.

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  9. Re:Left Wing Propaganda by temojen · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'll stick to objective journalism versus obvious partisan information thank you.

    Please tell me where to find this "objective journalism". I haven't seen any in over a decade, if ever.

  10. Re:Supreme Court Appointees? by Phillup · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The rights it represents are God given, not changable as to the whims of men.

    Actually, men had to fight for those rights. They weren't "given" to them by any one/thing.

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  11. Re:Utter Crap...... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I doubt you served at all, ever. You sound like an utterly typical chickenhawk conservative who thinks he knows everything about the military because he knows some guy who knows some guy who says ... etc., but who never had the guts to wear a uniform himself. You, and Dick Cheney, can go fuck yourselves.

    sincerely,
    Daniel Dvorkin
    former SSgt, USAF
    USAR infantryman 1987-1989
    USAF medic 1989-1997

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  12. Re:Correction . . . by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the past sixty years the United States have been tilting heavily in one direction

    In what direction would *that* be?

    You imply that it is the left, but the US is and has been (for *at least* the past sixty years) one of the most right-winged first world nations around. The "Democrats" in the US would be what is considered very conservative in most of Europe and also in Canada and AU.

  13. Fear not, and the real problem. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Fine Article makes an assumption that may not be accurate. It assumes that the current minority party is unable to gain power because of political chicanery on the part of the majority party.

    Ten years ago the current minority party held the Presidency, House and Senate. They had held the House and Senate for decades. It was just as hard to defeat an incumbent back then as it is now.

    The danger to the USA is not a NeoConservative monoparty. That sounds like FUD to me. The danger to the USA is that we have learned to vote ourselves funds from the public checkbook.

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  14. heh by syrinx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...and Taco said the Politics section would be balanced.

    No offense, but "the $GUYS_I_DONT_AGREE_WITH are going to outlaw elections" is not what I'd call balanced.

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  15. That's it! I'm now filtering the Politics Topic by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's it! I'm now filtering the Politics Topic!

    I get enough of this from the media, don't need to see it on a techie site. News for Nerds is one thing but Politics from Nerds? Now that's something I'd rather not read.

    I read a heck of a lot of political blogs, closely follow the news, study history and I can clearly state that this particular forum is filled with ignorance, anger and hate from both sides.

    Frankly the comments made in the Politics articles that get rated up and the ones that get filtered are completely bogus. Calling Stalin Right-Wing is just plain stupid! Comparing Bush with Hitler is equally stupid. Publishing a forum discussion on a leftist document warning about one party rule by neo-conservatives is ridiculous. Of course one party rule is a bad idea, that's why this country was founded in a balanced way. The democracy of the USA was designed to prevent this very thing from happening. Power is counter balanced and the people get to vote for 2/3rds of the structure. Trying to claim that pre-WWII Germany was a balanced government prior to Hitler's rise to power is just plain wrong! Sure someone didn't say that exactly but it was implied.

    It's ironic how people who can be so scientific about things can completely throw out the concept of making a statement and backing it up with facts that actually checkout. Geeks are very logical in most matters but when it comes to politics it suddenly becomes all emotion and the logic goes out the window.

    Sorry, but I will have no part in party politics, at least not with this crazy history starved group. I don't have the time to contribute to moderation nor due I have time to read the senseless drivel either.

    Whatchamacallit will boycott the Politics channel from now on.

  16. Voting Reform by Gryll · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We are in desperate need major voting reform in the US.

    This is a prime example that two major political parties have way to much control on the whole election and legislative system.

    I feel that Instant Runoff Voting (IRV) can truly help to give the power back to the voters.

    Take a look at these sites:

    IRV Info
    IRV Flash Demo

    If you are a Green, or other third party, supporter please help to get the the following, or similar message out.

    "If Kerry supports IRV, Greens will support Kerry"

    There are IRV initiatives going in most of the states now. Please investigate IRV and if you agree that is could help bring about positive changes please support the local action in your area and help spread the word.

    We have to take the power back - RATM

  17. Re: trickle-down eco by HanzoSpam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How dare you think that they should reap the greatest benefit from our society and not pay the most in taxes?

    Explain how they reap the greatest benefit from "our society"? I get my money by selling my labor to an employer, who is not "society", but a specific group of individuals. Everyone else is free to market their skills and labor just like I am. Some do better, some do worse. But the fact that some individuals have more valuble skills or ideas than others doesn't mean they owe "society" the time of day. I got my skills at my own expense, not "society's".

    You just want tax policies that make the wealthy wealthier while leaving average Americans struggling to make ends meet.

    Um, tax policies don't make anyone wealthier besides the government. Money the government doesn't tax isn't a gift, it's money you earned that you get to keep.

    I take it you favor tax policies that penalize people for hard work and success?

    You are probably happy that there has been an ever-widening disparity between the haves and the have-nots.

    As a matter of fact, yes, I'm delighted!

    $0 is still worth $0. So if there's a ever-widening disparity between $0 and max-dollars, that means that means more wealth is being created, and the potential for acquiring wealth is greater than ever. If people are able to earn ever greater sums of wealth relative to $0, that's a Good Thing!

    You probably think that it's great that CEO salaries have been skyrocketing while workers' salaries are spiralling downwards.

    As far as I know, companies are paying CEO's with their own money, not with mine, so, truthfully, I don't give a rat's-ass what they pay them.

    And slavery was outlawed a long time ago. If you don't like what you're getting paid, you're free to find an employer who is willing to pay you more. If you can't find an employer who will pay you more, that's a pretty good sign you're already earning what you're worth.

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