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RMS On How To Fight Software Patents

rimberg writes "Richard M. Stallman has a article on NewsForge talking about ways to fight software patents. It mentions the Public Patent Foundation (and why it's a good idea), but argues that fighting patents one by one will never eliminate the danger of software patents, any more than swatting mosquitoes will eliminate malaria." (Newsforge, like Slashdot, is part of OSTG.)

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  1. Re:It's very easy, actually. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course you don't live in a democracy. Which is one of the biggest problem when 95% of a countries population does not know the form of government they are living under.

    BTW if you live in America you live in a REPUBLIC, if we lived in a democracy we would directly elect the president.

  2. Google to the rescue by Lank · · Score: 3, Informative

    All this talk about software patents made me do a little digging, and I found a (pretty good) site relating to them:
    http://www.bitlaw.com/software-patent/

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  3. Re:Make more prior art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    At the very least, PUT A DATE ON YOUR STUFF. If you have webpages from college where you explain what you did for your senior project, make sure it is clearly dated. If you have a PDF of a research paper you wrote, freaking date the thing on the first page. If you maintain a FAQ for a ubiquitous software concept, keep a "updated on: " line in each section.

    You won't know it when you're cited in an examiner's rejection of a patent, but I promise you that many times an examiner finds a great piece of art on the internet that they would love to use except it isn't dated. There are mountains of people's research papers in PDF form that are on the internet but do not clearly display a date. If it doesn't have a date, it's useless to the examiner.

    This is the number one thing that "everybody" can do to help prevent questionable patents and it only takes a tiny bit of time.

  4. Re:in case it gets slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sigh. Moderators, please *read* before modding up. Geez. This is one of the "post the article text but with a few changes" jobs.

    Note the "European Transvestite Parliament" bit? That's not usually what we call them, and although what they may do on their own time is their own business, I know most of them were conventional attire for their sex at parliamentary sessions.

    And note also that we are European, we're not likely to give a fuck if some guy does happen to wear a dress on a hot summer's day anyway. Americans have such strange hangups. No, mustn't show even a hint of tit on screen, but people's heads getting blown up is A-OK. Nutters.

  5. Re:in case it gets slashdotted by Gorath99 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The European Transvestite Parliament voted a year ago to reject software patents conclusively.

    *Sigh* RMS isn't that undiplomatic. While AFAICT the rest of the article is a verbatim copy, this is a good reminder of why you shouldn't trust these "in case it gets slashdotted" copies.
  6. Re:Try and patent the Turing machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Then what is the point of having patent examiners? If you are going to leave it to the courts to decide if a claim has merit, there is not point in having someone pronounce on its validity beforehand.

    I really don't know wtf you're trying to say. Because many hundreds of thousands of applications are defeated by the examiners. I don't even know if we're speaking to the same subject...

    Judges should not need to know the technical details. They should be able to rely on qualified examiners to do that bit of the work, leaving them to sort out legal arguments between opposing parties.

    I'm going to presume from this that you're unfamiliar with how the appeals process works. On one side, you have an examiner who already believes that the application is retarded and is granted less than half a work day to compile a 25-75 page paper explaining so with as much detail as possible. On the other side, you potentially have a team of attorneys who are eager to take advantage of the fact that the judge doesn't know an "addressable register" from an "on-die flip-flop circuit".

    If you don't want judges who know the technical details, that's fine with me - just don't complain about silly patents issued after appeals. The fact that it went to appeals means that the examiner does not believe it merits a patent. Unfortunately, more often than not, appeals are used to weasle a patent out of the law, not to prove the invention deserves a patent for being innovative.

  7. Re:Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your terminology is wrong or confusing: Actually, a "sealed patent" means the letter granting the monopoly was marked with official stamp [i.e. sealed] as an open [i.e. patent] letter. The final step in getting a patent is often called "sealing" it.

    Nonetheless, you are RIGHT, such hidden pseudopatents do exist - words like "secretized" and "classified" and "patent" will throw up many google hits, and many conspiracy theorists and free energy nuts acting very, very paranoid.

    Usually the secrecy is imposed when the patent is filed and lasts until the patent is granted. Normal businesses generally want their patent granted as soon as possible after filing - but have a look some time at the defense forces - they sometimes act to extend the period between filing and granting for a _Very_ long time. Note that while the patent is filed but not granted (i.e. "pat. pending.", they can easily obtain an injunction to prevent you making whatever it is you want to make.

    This is of course purely for National Security. Ahem.

    The moral of the story is: if your invention challenges the hegemony of the powers that be, _don't_ seek a patent for it...

  8. Re:Counterattacking the patent system? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Informative

    For example, a public foundation dedicated to holding patents in the public interest. Anyone with an idea could submit it to them; they would then obtain a patent on it, and license it freely to the public, with the exception of companies who use their patent portfolios offensively.

    That wouldn't work, because you can be forced to license your patents out at a reasonable price in court. I can't see a court allowing you to kill a successful rich commercial field of endeavour with your patents in such a way... they'd require them to take it money for use.

    Love to be proven wrong, mind...

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  9. RMS focuses on what he knows: computer software. by jbn-o · · Score: 4, Informative

    RMS speaks quite carefully with respect to focusing on patents that cover algorithms used in computer software. If you read what RMS says about software patents, you'll see that he recognizes how, for example, automobile patents don't have the same social effect as software patents. Software programmers don't have to deal with all the complexities of physical product designers all the time.

    Part of what he says about patents in other fields versus software patents:

    The reason is that in other fields people have to deal with the propensity of matter. When you are designing circuits or cars or chemicals, you have to face the fact that these physical substances will do what they do, not what they are supposed to do. We in software don't have that problem and that makes it tremendously easier. We are designing a collection of idealised mathematical parts which have definitions. They do exactly what they are defined to do.

    He doesn't think the same things about all patents. Read more or hear him talk about patents in other fields and you'll find that he focuses on his expertise.

  10. Re:Counterattacking the patent system? by killjoe · · Score: 3, Informative

    "
    That wouldn't work, because you can be forced to license your patents out at a reasonable price in court"

    The best the court would do is to invalidate your patent. They can't force you to license it let alone for a reasonable price.

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  11. Re:Nothing to see here by Halo1 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Patents have never before been applied to works that are immediate realisations of pencil and paper work
    The European Patent Office wants to change that. From page 16 of this recent decision of the Board of Appeal of the EPO):
    The Board is aware that its comparatively broad interpretation of the term "invention" in Article 52(1) EPC will include activities which are so familiar that their technical character tends to be overlooked, such as the act of writing using pen and paper.
    Anyone wants to bet how long it'll still take until they start granting patents for pen and paper-implemented inventions?
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  12. Re: It's very easy, actually. by Corvus9 · · Score: 3, Informative
    While our neighbors to the north may not approve of our politics, I'd challenge them to point to one major event in history where Canada has taken leadership on the world stage.
    If by "leadership" you mean invading foreign countries, I concede American dominance here.

    Otherwise, there is Canada's efforts for a peaceful resolution to the Suez Crisis, for which Prime Minister Pearson won a Nobel prize.

    Canada has played a role far out of proportion to its population in U.N. peacekeeping operations, and a major role in the International War Crimes Tribunal and Rome Statute, which the U.S. has largely ignored. Canada also provided significant support to the Rwandan and Balkan Genocide tribunals. Other countries' support has dwindled after these events are no longer on the front pages.

    Canada was one of few countries in the world willing to accept the Boat People refugees in the 1970s, and campaigns for the rights of refugees to this day.

    Canada was one of the first western countries to recognize the People's Republic of China, this under strong U.S. condemnation.

    Canada is also the major supporter of the international land mines ban, also against the wishes of its allies, and a decade before Princess Di jumped aboard.